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  posted on 5/21/2008 at 04:38 PM
Baghdad (AP) President Bush has apologized to Iraq's prime minister for a U.S. sniper's shooting of a Koran and the Iraqi government called on on U.S. military commanders to educate their soldiers to respect religious beliefs.

Further on the article also said:

Khalf al-Elyan, a senior Sunni Arab lawmaker, said yesterday that the sniper must stand trial, preferably in Baghdad.
"It is a dangerous case. We had been silent and accepted the killing of our sons, the destruction of our homes and the theft of our money, but we do not accept insults to the Holy Koran"


Here's my dilemma... What type of people have we chosen to side with here? They place more value in a Book than they do the lives of their own sons?

What happens to the soldier?

This type of B.S. strengthens my resolve that we have involved Brave young American soldiers in the biggest Clusterf*ck in the History of this Country.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2008 at 01:42 PM
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President Bush should apologize to the American people for having apologized like an **** in the first place. The soldier should be given a medal and a new sportscar for his family and a $25,000 bonus. (that was the going price families were getting from Sadaam for children that were suicide bombers)
It makes me puke how we treat our men and women in uniform. Too many people in this country are soft. We should have nuked Iran in the 1970's Iranian hostage crisis but our limp wristed President Carter just kissed ass and let every whacko in the world know, IT IS OPEN SEASON ON AMERICANS AND WE WON'T DO **** TO STOP YOU.
They have been blowing up our ships and buildings, slitting our throats and cutting our heads off ever since.
The ass-wipes who live here and blame our country for everything should just get the **** out. I am sick of their intellectual pablum. They would make great substisute targets for the koran. Michael Moore would make a great target. **** in communist pig. **** s make him rich by going to see his movies. I can't believe people in this country look up to a **** in degenerate like him. I guess it is too late for me to say, "Don't get me started"



Great post, but imho you are being a bit unfair to your fearless leader George W. Bu$h. Think about this. Your fearless leader George W. Bu$h saved you from Saddam. If it wasn't for your fearless leader George W. Bu$h you'd be speaking Saddam speak right now and have a picture of Saddam on your wall instead of picture of Rush Limbaugh. There. This should get you out of this cranky mood.




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  posted on 5/22/2008 at 02:32 PM
WHY? No apology needed. Give the guy a marksmanship medal .
It's ok for 'them' to burn our flag, desecrate our bible and torture our citizens
with no consequences? It's a book, paper and ink. I think I will get one and
shoot as many holes in it as possible, then burn it and dance around the fire.
Think Bush will apologize for me? I hope not.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2008 at 08:14 PM
Its sort of weird that we expect people to behave normally in war. War is probably the most stressful, taxing situation in which a person could be, at least I would guess. I just read a book not long ago called With the Old Breed. Its a memoir of a young Marine who was a frontline mortarman on Okinowa and Pelilu. It is the most awful account of war I have ever read. He kept notes that he hid in his Bible during the battles and then wrote the book years later. I am not comparing the two wars, but the savagery that was on full display from the Japanese and the Marines was unspeakable, genitals being cut off, teeth being yanked out with knives, heads being cut off, etc. In fact, the author says they became "20th Century Savages". I often wonder, if God forbid, this country got into another event like that, would the country have the stomach for it, or would we would continue to apologize for shooting the Koran? To be quite honest, I'm just a tad offended that Hezbollah has not done a press conference to apologize for their latest U.S. flag burning.

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  posted on 5/22/2008 at 08:54 PM
He didn't shoot just a book. In The Religion of Islam the Koran is the verbatim word of God spoken through Muhammad. It is also a symbol of their religion. It is a sacred thing to Islam.


If this soldier can't respect their religion, then why are we there to promote our democracy and our
own values such as freedom of religion?????

The shooter should be sent home and dishonorably discharged.

It should be treated the same as if the Soldier had defaced our flag or any symbol of any American religion.

Don't you think that Americans that are also followers of Islam would also find this act offensive?
he did think of, or respect those fellow Americans when he fired that shot?

He was not representing American values when he shot the Koran. The American way is
respect and tolerance for all religions.

 

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  posted on 5/22/2008 at 09:11 PM
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He didn't shoot just a book. In The Religion of Islam the Koran is the verbatim word of God spoken through Muhammad. It is also a symbol of their religion. It is a sacred thing to Islam.


If this soldier can't respect their religion, then why are we there to promote our democracy and our
own values such as freedom of religion?????

The shooter should be sent home and dishonorably discharged.

It should be treated the same as if the Soldier had defaced our flag or any symbol of any American religion.

Don't you think that Americans that are also followers of Islam would also find this act offensive?
he did think of, or respect those fellow Americans when he fired that shot?

He was not representing American values when he shot the Koran. The American way is
respect and tolerance for all religions.




In this Country, where we celebrate Freedom, What happens to that same soldier if he shoots the Holy Bible?

 

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  posted on 5/23/2008 at 06:50 PM
i aint heard nary one of them sumbitches from over there apologize for blowin up a good chunk of new york, for them 444 days they held them people several years back (member terry anderson?), for messin up them olympics & killin them athletes in the 70's, or nodamnnothin else they ever did anywhere ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,call me watchu wanna call me, say watdahellever you wanna say,,,,,,,,,,,i say **** them & they horses they rid in on,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they passed the first lick, they aint give a tinkers damn bout OUR babies they killed, bout OUR bibles they burnt, bout OUR flags they burnin now, bout OUR nothin, i full well know bout the bible passage bout the eye for eye etc,,,,,,,they more to that passage wat aint never posted, but im also too human,,,,,,,,,,,,,im a person wat give like i git,,,,,,,,,,,,,,give me some respect & you git it back,,,,,,,,,give me some grief & i let the hide go wit the hair,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thank y'all for your time,,,,,,,,,,,

 

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  posted on 5/23/2008 at 10:09 PM
What would our reaction be if we saw one of the terrorists or anyone shoot the bible? Regardless of who threw the first stone it has to stop at some point. I pray we have the maturity and strength to take the first step.

 

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  posted on 5/26/2008 at 01:17 AM
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WHY? No apology needed. Give the guy a marksmanship medal .
It's ok for 'them' to burn our flag, desecrate our bible and torture our citizens
with no consequences? It's a book, paper and ink. I think I will get one and
shoot as many holes in it as possible, then burn it and dance around the fire.
Think Bush will apologize for me? I hope not.

skyponydogboy, you need to act fast! If you can get appointed before the end of the year, you have a chance at a terrific career as a Bush administration diplomat!

 

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  posted on 5/26/2008 at 06:56 AM
What I want to know is, who is Karen, and why did this guy shoot her? And then, why did the Irakians get so mad? They must have really liked her. I guess I just don't understand what's goin' on over there. I kinda feel sad for Karen, will she be all right?
 

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  posted on 5/26/2008 at 11:26 AM
I could and would end the war quick! It would be the 'reverse twin tower offensive'.
For every roadside bomb that was detonated towards the coalition troops, the city, town, area would be destroyed. This war would be over quick. And if Osama wants to hide in Tora Bora, fine. There would be a desert where those mtns now stand. If this is
truly 'war', then lets fight as if we actually intended upon winning. Stop the poitically correct ass kissing and lets get down to the dirty facts of getting this war over and done.
get the troops home, and vring Iraq oil to pay for it all.

 

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I could and would end the war quick! It would be the 'reverse twin tower offensive'.
For every roadside bomb that was detonated towards the coalition troops, the city, town, area would be destroyed. This war would be over quick. And if Osama wants to hide in Tora Bora, fine. There would be a desert where those mtns now stand. If this is
truly 'war', then lets fight as if we actually intended upon winning. Stop the poitically correct ass kissing and lets get down to the dirty facts of getting this war over and done.
get the troops home, and vring Iraq oil to pay for it all.



so your Idea of spreading democracy is to nuke it and then put in a parking lot?

 

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  posted on 5/26/2008 at 03:24 PM
I repeat:

"Here's my dilemma... What type of people have we chosen to side with here? They place more value in a Book than they do the lives of their own sons?"

Think about that......more value in a BOOK than in Human life.

As an American, If...you had to choose, one or the other, Your children's lives...

or the Bible?

Does not that make you question, what the F*ck we are doing over there?

 

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  posted on 5/26/2008 at 03:42 PM
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I repeat:

"Here's my dilemma... What type of people have we chosen to side with here? They place more value in a Book than they do the lives of their own sons?"

Think about that......more value in a BOOK than in Human life.

As an American, If...you had to choose, one or the other, Your children's lives...

or the Bible?

Does not that make you question, what the F*ck we are doing over there?


While I agree with you about the question of why are we there, I think that your reasoning is oversimplifying the situation. People will believe what they believe. Few countries hold the national flag with the same reverance that we do. Who is right and who is wrong about that? We need to stop analyzing other cultures by our standards, especially if we do not wish to be judged by others standards.


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"We need to stop analyzing other cultures by our standards, especially if we do not wish to be judged by others standards"


Then why are we spending BILLIONS in trying to impose Democracy on these people?

 

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I repeat:

"Here's my dilemma... What type of people have we chosen to side with here? They place more value in a Book than they do the lives of their own sons?"

Think about that......more value in a BOOK than in Human life.

As an American, If...you had to choose, one or the other, Your children's lives...

or the Bible?

Does not that make you question, what the F*ck we are doing over there?


While I agree with you about the question of why are we there, I think that your reasoning is oversimplifying the situation. People will believe what they believe. Few countries hold the national flag with the same reverance that we do. Who is right and who is wrong about that? We need to stop analyzing other cultures by our standards, especially if we do not wish to be judged by others standards.


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"We need to stop analyzing other cultures by our standards, especially if we do not wish to be judged by others standards"


Then why are we spending BILLIONS in trying to impose Democracy on these people?


That is a very good point. As soon as we leave, democracy will be leaving with us.


The first Candidate that has the B*lls to step forward and say "This is a Clusterf*ck", we are leaving RIGHT NOW"... will win by a landslide... when some little country punches us in the mouth, we must knock them out... this Bullsh*t of having Brave young Americans serving as Policeman, with one hand tied behind their backs is no way to win a... "War"


Teddy Roosevelt....Where are you?

 

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  posted on 5/26/2008 at 04:38 PM
Anti abortion is the only even seemingly moral stance the cons have so they always trot it out to show how moral they are, while loving war, any war. At the same time, however, they are anti-birth control, such as the 'morning after' pill which Bush banned. If birth control was cheap and easily available the number of abortions could be reduced to almost none. The fact that they consider a fertilized egg 'sacred' while condoning war for profit displays their incredable hypocrisy to the world.

 

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Lookin back to when they pulled a fast one in the Fla gig.Announcing an hour early that Gore had one it.



Luke, do you honestly not know the difference between the word "one" and the word "won"?

 

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  posted on 5/27/2008 at 01:27 PM
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[Doesn't the Constitution guarantee freedom of religion? Or is it only freedom of religions that you approve of.


I'd be willing to believe that the framers of our constitution did NOT mean Muslim.

 

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[Doesn't the Constitution guarantee freedom of religion? Or is it only freedom of religions that you approve of.


I'd be willing to believe that the framers of our constitution did NOT mean Muslim.


Even if they did or didn't, there's no question they'd approve of Americans dying in order to create an Islamic Republic, right?

Besides, that's one neat interpretation of the Constitution you have. Here all along I thought that one of the great things about America is that if you want to worship Jesus, Buddha, Larry the Cable Guy or a bowl of cookie dough, you have that freedom to do so. Wow. Learn something new every day around here.

 

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[Doesn't the Constitution guarantee freedom of religion? Or is it only freedom of religions that you approve of.


I'd be willing to believe that the framers of our constitution did NOT mean Muslim.


Even if they did or didn't, there's no question they'd approve of Americans dying in order to create an Islamic Republic, right?

Besides, that's one neat interpretation of the Constitution you have. Here all along I thought that one of the great things about America is that if you want to worship Jesus, Buddha, Larry the Cable Guy or a bowl of cookie dough, you have that freedom to do so. Wow. Learn something new every day around here.


Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster:

http://www.venganza.org/

 

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[Doesn't the Constitution guarantee freedom of religion? Or is it only freedom of religions that you approve of.


I'd be willing to believe that the framers of our constitution did NOT mean Muslim.


I'm sure you're correct - the framers probably were unaware of that little Crusades thing that went on from 1095 to 1272. Maybe it just slipped their minds. Let's double check:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Probably just an oversight.



[Edited on 5/27/2008 by nitelite51]

 

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And if theres an Obama butt plug or blow up doll out there to be found.I'm sure a few of ya'll will be some of the first 100 customers.


[Edited on 5/27/2008 by LUKE]


Once again, Luke's fixation with the homoerotic arises (no pun intended). However, to his credit, while he may not grasp the subtle differences between the three-letter-words "one" and "won", the phrase "butt plug" is both spelled and used correctly.

 

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  posted on 5/28/2008 at 01:03 AM
Loius LaMoure was a very entertaining writer to me. He did alot of historical research. ALOT.
I believe it is in a book...To The Far Blue Mountains one of the main characters is befriended by a Muslim on his journey to the US. Leads me to belive, especially from writer like LaMoure that muslim immigration to the US part of the norm.
I guess the bad guys were the Brits in this series...The Sackett series ??? Been a while for me. Too busy reading factual info on HTW !

 

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Khalf al-Elyan, a senior Sunni Arab lawmaker, said yesterday that the sniper must stand trial, preferably in Baghdad.
"It is a dangerous case. We had been silent and accepted the killing of our sons, the destruction of our homes and the theft of our money, but we do not accept insults to the Holy Koran"

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What would our reaction be if we saw one of the terrorists or anyone shoot the bible? Regardless of who threw the first stone it has to stop at some point. I pray we have the maturity and strength to take the first step.
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Did you read al-Elyan's comment above? he and his brethren place MORE value in a BOOK than they do HUMAN LIFE. Think about that. Our culture respects the Bible, but values LIFE above all. Look at the argument about abortion, we can't stomach the thought of killing anything or anyone. But we will. Now look at "them"... they don't give a sh*t about PEOPLE. They "accept" the killing of their sons. I suspect that at some point we will have to kill them all if we want to survive as a culture that believes in good over evil. It is so sad.

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  posted on 5/28/2008 at 07:32 AM
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Khalf al-Elyan, a senior Sunni Arab lawmaker, said yesterday that the sniper must stand trial, preferably in Baghdad.
"It is a dangerous case. We had been silent and accepted the killing of our sons, the destruction of our homes and the theft of our money, but we do not accept insults to the Holy Koran"




Ain't democracy great .

 

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