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  posted on 3/4/2018 at 01:23 PM
You are correct. Anyone civil should interact with one another with an attempt to learn and understand. Those who aren't - avoid.
 

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Thanks for breaking that down. You're making sense. There's only one person here who is doing that stuff . (Not the OP, he was just ripping on CA politics, totally fair.) It's clear by now from the cookie cutter style of his provocations that he is a troll who is bored with his work


That would be someone that does not agree with your politics, racism or refusing to acknowledge the homelessness, addiction and cultural breakdown problems in California?



 

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nevermind. No point in feeding the troll.

[Edited on 3/5/2018 by BrerRabbit]

 

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.

 

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.


Umm, I see a lot of non-white faces here in the south. The misconceptions about the South with people from other regions are so rife that I find it a waste of time to try and argue anything to dispel them.

And to your last point, it is racism.

I thought Bhawk's post was dead-nuts on.

 

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.



“it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.”

No one “fears” immigrants. That is the false rhetoric the left has been playing and most Americans know it. The same applies with the racism crap.

The People are against illegal immigration for all the obvious reasons. The crime, financial burden to localities and States and lack of any contribution to our country top those problems.

The People overwhelmingly support President Trump’s call for a merit-based immigration system.

The left constantly throws out the “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” line which was fine back in the days when the Statue of Liberty was erected, and The United States needed to populate a large and mostly empty country. That situation no longer applies.

President Trump’s merit-based system addresses the actual, current needs of our country. We are a sovereign country and have the right to decide who may come in.


 

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The left constantly throws out the “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” line which was fine back in the days when the Statue of Liberty was erected, and The United States needed to populate a large and mostly empty country. That situation no longer applies.


So then you agree that we need gun control since the 2nd amendment was written when only muskets existed, right?

 

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The left constantly throws out the “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” line which was fine back in the days when the Statue of Liberty was erected, and The United States needed to populate a large and mostly empty country. That situation no longer applies.


So then you agree that we need gun control since the 2nd amendment was written when only muskets existed, right?


Imho, there is a huge difference between words written on a Statue on those that appear in the Constitution......

 

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The left constantly throws out the “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” line which was fine back in the days when the Statue of Liberty was erected, and The United States needed to populate a large and mostly empty country. That situation no longer applies.


The U.S. didn't need to populate the continent, and it wasn't empty. That's a really bizarre thing to state. There was simply opportunity for those whose sought it out, just as there was in South America.

 

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.


Umm, I see a lot of non-white faces here in the south. The misconceptions about the South with people from other regions are so rife that I find it a waste of time to try and argue anything to dispel them.

And to your last point, it is racism.

I thought Bhawk's post was dead-nuts on.


You are correct and I was wrong about non-white faces in the south, particularly in the larger cities (Atlanta and New Orleans immediately come to mind), but I certainly don't see many Mexicans or Asians. Is a wall going to change things in the south?

 

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.


Umm, I see a lot of non-white faces here in the south. The misconceptions about the South with people from other regions are so rife that I find it a waste of time to try and argue anything to dispel them.

And to your last point, it is racism.

I thought Bhawk's post was dead-nuts on.


You are correct and I was wrong about non-white faces in the south, particularly in the larger cities (Atlanta and New Orleans immediately come to mind), but I certainly don't see many Mexicans or Asians. Is a wall going to change things in the south?


No. Certainly not.

There is a healthy hispanic population here in Tennessee. There are pockets of hispanic people everywhere. Hispanic churches, markets, etc. It is true that they are mostly employed doing manual labor type occupations, but they are generally hard workers, and quite well-mannered. I frequently see small businesses operated by hispanics - mostly roofers, drywall contractors, tree service, etc. and have used their services with good results.

Asians here? If you mean Pakistani or Indian, there are many. East Asians, not as much.

 

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  posted on 3/5/2018 at 12:54 PM
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You are correct and I was wrong about non-white faces in the south, particularly in the larger cities (Atlanta and New Orleans immediately come to mind), but I certainly don't see many Mexicans or Asians.


I certainly have. I've traveled the U.S. a good deal and I see a pretty consistent mix of people through out. Sure, white people tend to have a the bigger houses and the nicer neighborhoods, generally speaking, but the whitest areas tend to be north not south (Maine, Alaska, etc). Not every black person in the south migrated north, mind you. Areas tend to be segregated by economics, and families stick together, so you might not walk through their hood. I'm not sure where you are looking, but there are peoples of Asian and Latin American descent pretty much every where. One of the best Asian fish markets in the country is in Minneapolis due to its large Hmong population.

 

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Most of California wants to dump the sanctuary slums and their ultra-left politicians:

New California declares 'independence' from California in bid to become 51st state

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/16/new-california-de clares-independence-california-bid-become-51st-state/1036681001/


 

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  posted on 3/8/2018 at 01:14 PM
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Most of California wants to dump the sanctuary slums and their ultra-left politicians:


Mule has inside info on the Russia investigation, the media, and now inside info on the qualitative data of Californians! This guy knows everything. No need to read the news anymore folks - all we need to do is ask Muleman and he will deliver the inside truth! Thank you Muleman! Where do you get such vast knowlege? How did you forge such exclusive contacts in these industries? Can you shed some light on what our CIA knows about international terror cells? Who killed JFK? And what is REALLY in Area 51? I only trust you for the answers.

 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.

 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.

 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.

 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.

 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.


Ah, Bakersfield. It has multiple nicknames. It is known as the armpit of California and also the meth lab capital of California. It is a good thing it is such a conservative city. Who knows what would happen if the other party ran things.

 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.


 

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As a native CA..I as born in San Francisco and I live in the Silicon valley...This is what I know. If you were here before the 2000's and bought a home before the crazy housing spike then you have a pretty nice life style.....if you try to move to this part of the state and try to find a home you will be house poor for the rest of your life....

As far as slums...there are slums in every major city and some of the slummiest places I saw was my journey from New Orleans to Macon on the back roads in the rural south....talk about poor....Do those people don't even have services available to them?? The people here have many services that aren't even run by our local government. Private non-profits that feed and help find housing and job placement. Most local churches have volunteers who drive people to medical appointments...deliver food and medicine...we have numerous events every week here in the Bay Area to give to the poor and needy along with giving to health organization to fund research for many diseases

I have no idea what its like to live in another part of this country but I do know this. There are many kind and talented people who live here and if there wasn't then it wouldn't cost what it does to live here....Do we have wacko's sure....but I see wacko's in every part of the country...there's no strangle hold on that here... Just as there are slums everywhere in this country....in every large city and again some of the poorest places are the rural areas of our country....

As JFK said...“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.”

 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.





San Francisco is a slum?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!



 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.





San Francisco is a slum?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!





Yeah....and to move into that slum would be 4 - 5 grand a month for rent and the median home price in SF is well over $1mil......40 miles south in Mountain View the Median home price for an 1800 SQFT home is 2.2 mil...and places like Atherton Price $1800 SQFT Woodside Price $4800 SQFT....so if you have homes that are 4000 - 10,000 sqft in size you do the math.....Yeah this place is a slum

 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.




The "sanctuary slums" as you call them are the economic powers of California; the places people travel around the world to see, with high prices due to their popularity and desirability as places to live. The conservative areas are armpits that nobody pulls off the freeway to visit unless you need to fill up your gas tank. Those conservative armpits are where you will find the Trump supporters, and they are most readily identified by having more toes than teeth, and often complaining about the government all while waiting in the welfare lines. These are the people who voted Nunes into office. Your type of people Mule.

 

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.




The "sanctuary slums" as you call them are the economic powers of California; the places people travel around the world to see, with high prices due to their popularity and desirability as places to live. The conservative areas are armpits that nobody pulls off the freeway to visit unless you need to fill up your gas tank. Those conservative armpits are where you will find the Trump supporters, and they are most readily identified by having more toes than teeth, and often complaining about the government all while waiting in the welfare lines. These are the people who voted Nunes into office. Your type of people Mule.


Having lived in California for 95% of my life I feel I am more than qualified to respond to this statement. The point above takes on sort of an Electoral College type of viewpoint. Am I correct in thinking that your argument provides for San Francisco, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, The Napa Valley & San Diego being the major tourist hubs in the state?...With the rest of the municipalities being seen as not too much more than "Fly over" towns who must accept the will and attitudes of their bigger brothers along the coast? I wonder what percentage the populations of those areas in the State account for?

 

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