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  posted on 3/10/2015 at 02:04 PM
Here's a pretty amazing story of 4 police officers who all heard a strange voice, leading them to find an 18-month old toddler near death in a submerged vehicle. It got me thinking about whether ghosts and/or aliens (non-related to article) truly exist. Here's my take on both:

I do believe Aliens exist somewhere...but they may not necessarily exist right now, in our lifetimes. Since a million years in our universe time is the blink of an eye, I believe aliens existed in the past, and will again the future. If they exist now, it is so far away that we will never know. I do not believe in Area 51, or that we already have proof.

As for ghosts, I do believe in God and heaven. And I would LOVE to discover evidence that ghosts/angels do exist. I WANT to believe badly.....but I'd have to say that I don't believe in the existence of ghosts/angels in the way they are portrayed in our society. But I do believe in some sort of possible communication between the living and the dead. And that's what I believe is described below.

Do you believe in either? Why or why not? Do you have any personal experiences with either? If so, I'd love to hear the story.




http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mysterious-voice-leads-police-baby -car-crash-article-1.2142732

'Mysterious voice' led Utah cops to discover child who survived for 14 hours in submerged car after mom drowned

Jennifer Groesbeck, 25, died in a car accident Friday night in Spanish Fork, Utah. Her 18-month-old daughter Lily was found 14 hours later and is listed in critical condition.The officers who rescued a Utah toddler from death’s doorstep in a submerged car on Sunday said their adrenaline-fueled heroics were triggered by a mysterious plea.

“We could see a person in the front seat and then we heard a voice saying, ‘Help me, we’re in here.’ It was clear as day,” said Officer Tyler Beddoes of the Spanish Fork Police Department, one of four men who pulled an unconscious 18-month-old from a car — which had been submerged in near-freezing water for 14 hours — as her mother lay dead in the driver’s seat.

Beddoes and his fellow first responders braved the chilly waters long enough to turn the red Dodge sedan, which was upside down, and pull little Lily Groesbeck out of her car seat, in which she had been suspended since her mother Jennifer Groesbeck apparently lost control of the car the previous evening.

“We could see her eyes fluttering so there was some life but as far as movements or consciousness there was nothing that we could see,” Beddoes told the Daily News on Monday.

The four officers and three firefighters formed an assembly line and transported the child back to shore. The first responders started performing CPR, and Lily later regained consciousness in a Salt Lake City hospital. Her condition was upgraded to stable on Monday.


The vehicle crashed into the river around 10:30 p.m., according to a witness who told police he heard the accident. The car was not visible from the roadway, and was not discovered until 14 hours later, when a fisherman spotted it at 12:24 p.m. Saturday and called police.

That’s when Beddoes and his partners arrived. The witness told them that he could see an arm through the window, and the four men plunged into the freezing rapids to see if they could find any survivors.

Then, suddenly, they started hearing the distinct sound of a woman’s voice, calling to them to help.

We heard a voice saying 'help me, we're in here.' It was clear as day. We replied back 'hang in there, we're trying what we can.'“We replied back ‘hang in there, we’re trying what we can.’ ”

The voice motivated them to push harder because they believed there may be someone inside who was still alive. With their adrenaline pumping they pulled the heavy, water-filled car onto its side and discovered the driver was dead.

The officers had no explanation for the mysterious voice that appeared to come from inside the car. Beddoes said he said he wouldn’t believe it really happened had not the other officers heard it, as well.

“I don’t know what I thought I heard,” he said. “I’m not a typically religious guy. It’s hard to explain — it was definitely something. Where and why it came from, I’m not sure.”

Groesbeck, the youngest of five children, was enrolled at Provo College and hoped to become a medical assistant, her sister Jill Sanderson told KSL TV in Salt Lake City.

“She was very compassionate and a very loving person and always willing to bend over backwards for her loved ones,” she told the station. “Her baby was the love of her life. She was an amazing mother.”

The family set up a GoFundMe page to raise money for her funeral expenses and Lily’s medical treatment.

Her baby was the love of her life. She was an amazing mother.The child was being treated at Primary Children’s Hospital, where a her condition was “stable and improving,” a spokeswoman said Monday.

“She is doing remarkably well considering the circumstance. The doctors have been hopeful so far,” Sanderson told reporters. “We would like to express our appreciation to the Spanish Fork rescue team for saving the baby’s life.”

Beddoes, who spent at least 20 minutes in the frigid waters, said he and his colleagues were so focused on the rescue they didn’t realize the impact it was having on their bodies. The 6-foot-tall officer said the water level was often at his neck, sometimes higher.

“I didn’t feel the cold — I wasn’t paying attention to myself,” he said. “After several minutes in the water I started to feel the effects.”


 
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  posted on 3/10/2015 at 02:49 PM
I don't believe ghosts exist.... I know they exist...

My now wife lived in a hotel apartment in Rome for a year while we were dating and she and her roommate claimed their unit was haunted... even gave the ghost a name. He wasn't malicious, just ornery. Would turn hair dryers on/off, move bottles of soda, etc.

I always thought they were making things up for attention or whatever until years later when my wife and our 2 young kids took a trip back to Rome and stayed in the exact same unit she and her friend had.

That night I woke up and saw a man standing in the corner of the room. I shrugged it off as being a dream.

The next morning at breakfast I asked my wife to describe what the ghost they used to see looked like, and she went on to explain that he was in his 50's, had long white hair and beard, and wore a long night gown.

Just then chills spread throughout my entire body because that is exactly what I saw standing in the corner. I had never heard my wife or her roommate describe his appearance before that morning...

 

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For thousands (millions?) of years, native Americans stood on the eastern shores and stared across an ocean that as far as they knew was endless. When Europeans suddenly showed up in wooden ships, they must have thought that they were seeing aliens. Indeed, they were seeing lifeforms from another world or culture.

When I (or, we) look out into the stars, we're starring out into what we perceive as an infinite chasm. Could there be something or somebody on a distant side of all of this who might show up one day?

Personally, I think it's kind of pompous of mankind to imagine that there's not something else out there. If there is, it was likely created by the same forces that created us.

Biologically, the Europeans turned out to pretty much just like the Native Americans. Variances in man's skin tones, physical builds, hair color and other traits are a result of what part of this planet our ancestors lived in. If there are aliens, ETs ... Martians etc., I'd imagine that their shape, color or form are a result of their evolvement in whatever corner of the cosmos that they developed in. Whatever their form, I'm sure that they were created in pretty much the same way that we were.

Ghosts? People who lose limbs speak of phantom pain. Others talk of auras (aurae?) of former living people. I don't believe in ghosts as evil spirits or anything. I think that there is a good chance that some sort of remains of a persons conscience might be left behind after they're gone. People come to us in our dreams - which could be occurring in some sort of "anti-conscience" region. Maybe there are people who are afraid to move onto their next life? It's beyond my ability to describe exactly what I mean. I've never seen a "ghost" in the form of an embodiment of a person that I knew. I guess I experience ghosts in memories, thoughts and dreams. That's real enough though, right?

 

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Why not both?

Maybe some of what we call "ghosts" are actually aliens, or just a different form of life than us.

"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."--Hamlet

 
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I don't believe ghosts exist.... I know they exist...

My now wife lived in a hotel apartment in Rome for a year while we were dating and she and her roommate claimed their unit was haunted... even gave the ghost a name. He wasn't malicious, just ornery. Would turn hair dryers on/off, move bottles of soda, etc.

I always thought they were making things up for attention or whatever until years later when my wife and our 2 young kids took a trip back to Rome and stayed in the exact same unit she and her friend had.

That night I woke up and saw a man standing in the corner of the room. I shrugged it off as being a dream.

The next morning at breakfast I asked my wife to describe what the ghost they used to see looked like, and she went on to explain that he was in his 50's, had long white hair and beard, and wore a long night gown.

Just then chills spread throughout my entire body because that is exactly what I saw standing in the corner. I had never heard my wife or her roommate describe his appearance before that morning...


Awesome story, thanks for sharing.

 

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Keef is immortal so I am guessing he is alien.

Back on topic I believe there is intelligent life out there so yeah I believe in Aliens but other than Casper I have never seen a ghost so don't believe in them.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2015 at 11:00 AM
Since we evidently have credible multiple witness sources being law enforcement and rescue personnel, it seems we have an actual event. I would guess it was the mother communicating somehow. Or Creator. I have had communication from a dying person in a coma through electrical type voltage through the hands and it was experienced by others. The box we put on our surroundings; as in our "world", is one that limits our perceptions, if that makes sense. We overlay the rules of what is "possible" and therefore filter out anything to know that is outside of this acceptable "box" of potentialities. Paranormal communication methods and also aliens are outside the "box" of the average person.

"Aliens" is something, yes I have faith and I believe knowledge in existing. I don't have the energy or time to type what is needed to try to elaborate, and most wouldn't read anyway being too long. It did start with a UFO experience at age 10 with a friend (co-witness). Unfolded more later in life. The research of this topic is a mine field. Go on the net, you wade thru 95% BS and comical idiocy to find the 5%.

I will say this: people who have had UFO and or alien experiences do not talk about them, except with trusted friends or in a clinical setting where it is an open topic with people who are open also. To talk "on the street" or in a web thread as this exposes one to the fact that most who read or hear, will brand you as crazy (REALLY!). People have been committed to institutions for trying to convince others of aliens no doubt. Even family can call metal health officials on you as "knowing of aliens" is a sure sign of nut problems, we all know THAT.

I will say this: people who pooh pooh on the ability of travelling light years as proof aliens can not exist> (yet again we BOX ourselves in) The areas to look at for making this possible: Particularization. Research is in baby state now, but is being lab tested. Dissassemble / reassemble particles. Next option is the aspect of dimensionalities. If you believe in a God, you believe in dimensions. We think of travel only in "this" dimension. Get outside the box. And last, Einstein talked of this: Space time can bend. It is not in our linear box concept possibly....

Aliens?

 

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Religion is the main reason aliens won't talk to us.

 

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For thousands (millions?) of years, native Americans stood on the eastern shores and stared across an ocean that as far as they knew was endless. When Europeans suddenly showed up in wooden ships, they must have thought that they were seeing aliens. Indeed, they were seeing lifeforms from another world or culture.


I never thought of it this way. Fascinating point.

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When I (or, we) look out into the stars, we're starring out into what we perceive as an infinite chasm. Could there be something or somebody on a distant side of all of this who might show up one day?

Personally, I think it's kind of pompous of mankind to imagine that there's not something else out there. If there is, it was likely created by the same forces that created us.


Agreed. Why would there only be one planet with life in a never-ending universe?

I've also driven myself crazy trying to figure out where, how, and what our universe is. The big bang theory doesn't really sell me.....what was it that exploded? Something had to start that "thing" as well, so what was that? And so on, and so on.

I would say with almost certainty that aliens have or do exist.

 

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I will say this: people who have had UFO and or alien experiences do not talk about them, except with trusted friends or in a clinical setting where it is an open topic with people who are open also. To talk "on the street" or in a web thread as this exposes one to the fact that most who read or hear, will brand you as crazy (REALLY!). People have been committed to institutions for trying to convince others of aliens no doubt. Even family can call metal health officials on you as "knowing of aliens" is a sure sign of nut problems, we all know THAT.


I understand completely, but you won't be getting any of that from me. I find these types of stories very interesting and believable.

 

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If aliens do arrive, dont try and hide the space-cash.

 

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If you dont,listen to Coast to Coast with George Noory and he might convert you!

 

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  posted on 3/11/2015 at 06:34 PM
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If aliens do arrive, dont try and hide the space-cash.

Your cash ain't nuthin' but trash, to an alien.

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What about Witches?

http://www.vice.com/read/scotland-witch-grave

 

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Ghosts yes, aliens and witches, no.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2015 at 10:20 AM
Boyton, as you can see, music web forums are not successful venues to seriously discuss this topic...... there are websites for these topics, again a mine field. To put it bluntly, the forums on most of these are full of whacko's....... it is that 95% BS thing with 5% validity sprinkled in that finding and discerning is a ton of work.

Start with researching John Mack. A Harvard psychologist. Much fascinating work he did. Stumbled into the field a non believer.

If you look at the night sky and feel something...... if you at times have had dreams of the cosmos..... if you have an inexplicable, by rational standards experience, that is in this area..... maybe it is a topic to learn more about.

To each their own........

 

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  posted on 3/12/2015 at 07:05 PM
heineken515, you don't believe in my wife?

I mean, she's not home from work yet so I can't confirm it presently, but I'm pretty sure she exists, along with all the other Wiccans I've known over the years.

 
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...he was in his 50's, had long white hair and beard, and wore a long night gown.


Ummm... That sounds like me, but I don't remember being in Italy.

(Well, maybe not the nightgown...)






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We are the ghosts and aliens. Spirits in flesh, conscious matter. And modern man certainly has become an alien to Earth.
 

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Anything in the realm of spirits or E.T.'s sounds possible to me but I've yet to experience anything myself or see real footage/evidence to fully believe it either. The story of the police hearing a woman's voice before they found the baby in the submerged car sounds very convincing to me though since several of the guys heard it.

To the point of the 95% nonsense on the web in such matters :

I do believe the all time funniest thing I've ever read on this website back in the hey day when there was lots of excitement over the tours and beacon parties etc was the ghost of duane under the porch of the big house thread . Anyone recall that ??
Any website for super fans of any band or sports team etc can get a bit out there but that was hilarious to me.

There he is !! I see him !! I see him too !! I clearly see the mutton chops and even the les paul !

 

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I know athletes (especially baseball players) can be a superstitious bunch of guys, but I found this article in today's Toronto SUN newspaper interesting. When several basketball & baseball players won't stay in certain hotels due to their weird experiences, it makes you wonder.....



Haunted hotels leave this Raptor dispirited


First posted: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:35 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:49 PM EDT



Lou Williams doesn't stay in hotels with reputations for being haunted and will find his own accommodations when his team travels to those cities. (Reuters)



Lou Williams didn’t stay with the Raptors in Oklahoma City during their recent three-game road swing.



When the team charter arrived at the Skirvin Hilton Hotel last weekend, he jumped in a cab and headed to a different place to stay the night.

No, it wasn’t a case of not wanting to associate with his teammates.

The veteran NBA guard just has a preference when it comes to hotels. He prefers one that isn’t haunted.

The Skirvin Hilton Hotel in Oklahoma City has that reputation in NBA circles. So, too, does the Pfister in Milwaukee.

Both are older hotels. The Skirvin was built in 1911. The Pfister predates even that, opening its doors in 1893.

The Skirvin is believed to be spooked by a former maid who had an affair with the hotel’s owner and became pregnant. As the story goes, in order to keep the affair a secret, the owner imprisoned her in a 10th-floor room, where she eventually gave birth and fell into a depression when, even after the birth, she was still denied her freedom.

As legend goes, the maid jumped to her death one day, taking the baby with her.

There have been multiple accounts over the years of men claiming to have been joined in the shower by a naked female or propositioned by a female voice while alone in their rooms.

The Raptors still use the Skirvin in OKC, and did so last Saturday night. It could have been a two-night stay, but the Raps stayed overnight in Charlotte after a game there Friday, practised there on Saturday and then flew to OKC for the Sunday game.

They have used the Pfister in Milwaukee, although this year they moved over to the InterContinental. Whether they return is anyone’s guess, but Williams will find his own lodgings if they do.

Williams has been doing so since 2009 when he had his first and only experience with, what he can only surmise were, ghosts.

He was playing with the Philadelphia 76ers and checked into the Pfister, which bills itself as “the premiere hotel in downtown Milwaukee.”

With the team charter arriving late, Williams went right to his room and, as he always does, locked and chained the door.

As is also customary, team staff left the next morning’s practice sweats hanging on a loop on the outside door handle of each player’s room.

“I remember hearing my practice loop hitting the door but, in hotels, I make it a habit to put my latch on and lock the door,” Williams said. “I got up at 3 or 4 in the morning to use the bathroom and my practice loop was on the inside of my door.”

That’s the last time Williams has stayed in either hotel.

“I never really paid any attention to the stories before that,” he said. “I knew it was supposed to be haunted, but I thought it was funny. Then that happens and it’s not so funny anymore.”

Williams won’t admit to being afraid of ghosts, but he has kept his distance ever since.

“I’m still not scared of ghosts,” Williams said Thursday after recounting his story. “I just don’t want it to happen again, but it definitely freaked me out, for sure.”

Raptors head coach Dwane Casey wasn’t even aware thata Williams was making his own plans this past weekend, but he’s certainly heard the stories of the two hotels being haunted.

He even believes there are a few teams in the league that avoid those hotels all together because of he stories.

The New York Knicks, famously, once blamed a loss on a rough night at the Skirvin.

It was early January of 2010 and the Knicks had a two-night stay in Oklahoma City. Eddy Curry, who stands seven feet tall and weighed almost 300 pounds when he was in the NBA, claimed to have slept only two hours in total he was so worried about the ghosts roaming the hotel. One story had him spending most of the night in teammate Nate Robinson’s room.

The Pfister has a more extensive haunted history with Major League Baseball teams than basketball teams, Williams’ story notwithstanding.

But like Williams, both Pablo Sandoval, then with the San Francisco Giants and then teammate Edgar Renteria refused to stay at the hotel in 2010 after both had an unexplainable experience the year before. Both packed up and checked into another hotel down the block.

DeMar DeRozan said the Raptors are aware of Williams’ experience and not much gets said about it.

Asked if he believed the story when he first heard it, DeRozan was initially skeptical but quickly added: “I don’t argue with my teammate. If he says it happened, then I believe him. Me, personally? I’ve never seen anything.”

Williams says he’s heard of other players in the NBA who, like him, avoid those two hotels and find their own accommodation but he doesn’t offer names.

And as for taking any grief from his own teammates, he says there hasn’t been a hint of it.

“No, not at all,” Williams said. “They understand. Some of them probably want to do the same thing but they don’t want to say it. Others have their wives or kids on the road with them so they have company. I don’t have company so I’ve got to stay somewhere else.”

It’s not like he can’t afford it.

“I just pay for my own room somewhere else,” he said. “I pay $150 or $200 for some peace of mind.”

 

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  posted on 3/13/2015 at 07:50 PM
well there's always the phenomena of so-called 'child prodigies' singing or playing an instrument with this uncanny 'gift' & totally duplicating everything about some amazing artist from the past & blowing everyone away from their young age and having no training,etc.

As far as Aliens,well definitely I'd have to agree....Keith Richards is definitely and Alien! and probably immortal

 

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http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150313-the-toughest-animals-on-earth

 

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