Thread: Van Halen - Drop Dead Legs, Irvine, CA 7-14-2015

jszfunk - 1/26/2018 at 12:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXpqrvGnkPA


Zambi - 1/26/2018 at 02:18 PM

I love the deep cuts they started sprinkling into their setlists on the last couple of tours. DDL is just a killer song, and it's one of the better songs vocally from the classic 6-pack for today's DLR.

This was another good one from the 2015 tour: https://youtu.be/L0IJGgehAGA

And this one from the 2012 tour: https://youtu.be/5xmhhcXNCt4 or https://youtu.be/nuljO5cENPc

I also highly recommend listening to the Two Daves latest podcast with the interview of Andrew Bennett, the videographer at 5150 studio of the 2004 reunion with Hagar and the 2005-07 time frame with Wolf's entry into the band and how the DLR reunion came about. Some very enlightening stuff in there, to the extent it is accurate (no reason to think it's not, really).

A couple of thoughts on the YT vids after hearing the Bennett version of things:
1. It's amazing how smiley and chummy EVH and DLR manage to appear on stage, given the extent of their off-stage relationship.
2. As much as I want to see a full reunion with Mike Anthony, there would be no VH (band) without Wolfgang. He put it all back together, including making the call to DLR in 2007. (Funny story there, too.) I also think Wolf is solely responsible for the deep cuts on the past couple of tours. Hopefully, we get at least 1 more tour.


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jszfunk - 1/28/2018 at 04:34 PM

quote:
I love the deep cuts they started sprinkling into their setlists on the last couple of tours. DDL is just a killer song, and it's one of the better songs vocally from the classic 6-pack for today's DLR.

This was another good one from the 2015 tour: https://youtu.be/L0IJGgehAGA

And this one from the 2012 tour: https://youtu.be/5xmhhcXNCt4 or https://youtu.be/nuljO5cENPc

I also highly recommend listening to the Two Daves latest podcast with the interview of Andrew Bennett, the videographer at 5150 studio of the 2004 reunion with Hagar and the 2005-07 time frame with Wolf's entry into the band and how the DLR reunion came about. Some very enlightening stuff in there, to the extent it is accurate (no reason to think it's not, really).

A couple of thoughts on the YT vids after hearing the Bennett version of things:
1. It's amazing how smiley and chummy EVH and DLR manage to appear on stage, given the extent of their off-stage relationship.
2. As much as I want to see a full reunion with Mike Anthony, there would be no VH (band) without Wolfgang. He put it all back together, including making the call to DLR in 2007. (Funny story there, too.) I also think Wolf is solely responsible for the deep cuts on the past couple of tours. Hopefully, we get at least 1 more tour.


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HA!! Thats funny you bring up the Two Daves podast! I assume you mean Dave and Dave Unchained, right? I was needing some new podcas material and I stumbled upon that one. I have listened to three so far. The author of Van Halen Rising, The top 10 Van Halen/Hagar songs and Dont be Down on Diver Down.

I appreciate they're enthusiasm
for the band. Thats where I heard them talking about DDL from the most recent tour so I had to investigate. They have given me some insight and perspective to the music of VH that I have never pondered in some ways before. It has been nice. I will have to check the podcast out you mentioned,thanks for the heads up on that.

They also brought up some song titles to some rare/bootleg stuff I have never heard of before, so that peaked my interest also.

It sounds like there is a Ted Templeman book in the works. That would be a cool read.

I pulled out A Different Kinda Of Truth a few weeks ago and spun it for awhile in the car. Man, I appreciate that release more and more every time I go back to it. There is some VERY strong material on there, but unfortunately gets over looked I feel.


Chain - 1/28/2018 at 06:30 PM

quote:
quote:
I love the deep cuts they started sprinkling into their setlists on the last couple of tours. DDL is just a killer song, and it's one of the better songs vocally from the classic 6-pack for today's DLR.

This was another good one from the 2015 tour: https://youtu.be/L0IJGgehAGA

And this one from the 2012 tour: https://youtu.be/5xmhhcXNCt4 or https://youtu.be/nuljO5cENPc

I also highly recommend listening to the Two Daves latest podcast with the interview of Andrew Bennett, the videographer at 5150 studio of the 2004 reunion with Hagar and the 2005-07 time frame with Wolf's entry into the band and how the DLR reunion came about. Some very enlightening stuff in there, to the extent it is accurate (no reason to think it's not, really).

A couple of thoughts on the YT vids after hearing the Bennett version of things:
1. It's amazing how smiley and chummy EVH and DLR manage to appear on stage, given the extent of their off-stage relationship.
2. As much as I want to see a full reunion with Mike Anthony, there would be no VH (band) without Wolfgang. He put it all back together, including making the call to DLR in 2007. (Funny story there, too.) I also think Wolf is solely responsible for the deep cuts on the past couple of tours. Hopefully, we get at least 1 more tour.


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HA!! Thats funny you bring up the Two Daves podast! I assume you mean Dave and Dave Unchained, right? I was needing some new podcas material and I stumbled upon that one. I have listened to three so far. The author of Van Halen Rising, The top 10 Van Halen/Hagar songs and Dont be Down on Diver Down.

I appreciate they're enthusiasm
for the band. Thats where I heard them talking about DDL from the most recent tour so I had to investigate. They have given me some insight and perspective to the music of VH that I have never pondered in some ways before. It has been nice. I will have to check the podcast out you mentioned,thanks for the heads up on that.

They also brought up some song titles to some rare/bootleg stuff I have never heard of before, so that peaked my interest also.

It sounds like there is a Ted Templeman book in the works. That would be a cool read.

I pulled out A Different Kinda Of Truth a few weeks ago and spun it for awhile in the car. Man, I appreciate that release more and more every time I go back to it. There is some VERY strong material on there, but unfortunately gets over looked I feel.



I agree about A Different Kind of Truth. The album just flat out rocks and from a sonic level it's almost a work out to listen to from end to end...In a good way that is.

One thing I think people overlook about the Wolf Van Halen influence is that he not only saved the band but I think he literally saved his father's life too. Fans can also thank him for getting the deeper cuts of classic Van Halen into the setlists.


Zambi - 1/29/2018 at 01:11 AM

quote:
HA!! Thats funny you bring up the Two Daves podast! I assume you mean Dave and Dave Unchained, right? I was needing some new podcas material and I stumbled upon that one. I have listened to three so far. The author of Van Halen Rising, The top 10 Van Halen/Hagar songs and Dont be Down on Diver Down.

I appreciate they're enthusiasm
for the band. Thats where I heard them talking about DDL from the most recent tour so I had to investigate. They have given me some insight and perspective to the music of VH that I have never pondered in some ways before. It has been nice. I will have to check the podcast out you mentioned,thanks for the heads up on that.


Yeah, Dave & Dave Unchained. While I appreciate their enthusiasm, and also their access to quality interviewees, I can only listen to them in short doses. They constantly interrupt each other, and especially interviewees... and rarely to say anything substantive. Lots of "yeah right" or "exactly" that cuts off what the interviewee is saying mid-sentence, resulting in lots of awkward pauses. But I digress....

The Andrew Bennett piece. The videographer. After 10 years of exile from the VH camp, he finally/recently culled through thousands of hours of videos and audio recordings, and tried putting out an hour's worth of clips he calls "The 5150 Vault" with a limited run of 500 for $500 a piece, and includes an NDA for the purchaser to sign. EVH just sued him on this past Friday (before anything shipped), so it ain't happening.

That being said, you can still find the trailer online (for now). Currently it's at http://www.thefiftyonefiftyvault.com/. Note this is the second URL he's tried in the past couple of weeks, making me think the first one (which included the numbers 5150) got shut down. So I'm not sure how much longer it will be online. Also, it is a .MOV file and 130MB. Perfectly legit virus-free download, but just fyi. Worth a watch.

He also has a MTV-style video of "It's About Time" from the 2004 Hagar reunion that the band "commissioned" him to put together, but ultimately nixed. It was shot at 5150 studio also. Not a single shot of Mike Anthony (surprise surprise), and a couple shots of EVH putting down bass lines. Cool interludes in the song too, very telling about EVH's touring capability at the time. Bennett no longer has a link on his site to the video, but the direct link to the download is still online if you want to download a 58 MB video {NOTE: clicking this link automatically starts the download to your PC]:
http://www.directedbyandrewbennett.com/vanhalenabouttimeweb.mov

Some neat clips here too, but you have to dig around a bit: http://www.directedbyandrewbennett.com


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Zambi - 1/29/2018 at 01:13 AM

For as long as this lasts:


Zambi - 1/29/2018 at 01:23 AM

quote:
I agree about A Different Kind of Truth. The album just flat out rocks and from a sonic level it's almost a work out to listen to from end to end...In a good way that is.


I agree with this whole-heartedly. The production sucks. Only thing worse in the VH catalog, from a production point, is VH3. It is brickwalled and EVH's guitar tone is deplorably buzzy/chainsaw. I don't know if that's what makes it so tiresome to listen to, or just the balls-to-wall energy from start to finish. A lot of VH-ites all seem to be most into the leftovers from the 1976 demos, but my faves are actually the small handful of "new" tunes that were written in more recent years. DLR's vocal limitation (and lyrics) detract from You and Yer Blues, but that would be a great great song if done properly. Trouble with Never sounds like classic VH to my ears. Stay Frosty is a DLR-written tune that Wolf arranged, but is Ice Cream Man Part Deux. And China Town, As-Is, and HoneyBabySweetieDoll are all great listens too. Terrific record. I just wish they would "remaster" it when they finally get around to remastering the remainder of the catalog (Hagar/VH3), which will happen some time between pigs flying and a Pink Floyd reunion.

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jszfunk - 1/29/2018 at 04:25 PM

quote:
For as long as this lasts:




http://ultimateclassicrock.com/van-halen-5150-vault-documentary/

Trailer for film
https://youtu.be/NqH0kLCm1cI

Eddie Van Halen has launched legal action against a filmmaker who was hired to shoot a documentary about Van Halen in 2006. The project was abandoned when the guitarist decided he didn’t like the results, but he has accused videographer Andrew Bennett of trying to release the material without permission.

The footage is based around rehearsals featuring Eddie's son Wolfgang Van Halen and his brother Alex Van Halen, and would have been shot around the time Wolfgang replaced Michael Anthony in the band. TMZ reports that the intention was to release the material as a “DVD or video project.”






In legal documents seen by TMZ, Van Halen claimed that Bennett “threatened to release it years later and claimed he never got paid.” The guitarist said that an agreement was reached in 2015, and the rights were handed over to Van Halen, but that Bennett is now trying to sell the material, and has released a trailer (above) via his website 5150vault.com. Although Van Halen had the site shut down, Bennett launched another one. Van Halen is now pursuing Bennett through the courts, asking for prevention of the sale or screening of the video, plus damages.

Earlier this month Anthony revealed via Instagram that a separate Van Halen documentary was being made, and that he’d been interviewed by a British organization for the production. “Brought up great memories!” he added. Former singer Sammy Hagar commented on the post, saying: “Yep, these guys were great, feels like a good doc so far.” The film is believed to be unauthorized.



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Zambi - 1/29/2018 at 06:50 PM

Ahh, here's the It's About Time video on youtube (however long this will last too). Funny at 4:07 mark.

https://youtu.be/RlPqm0Lcr5w


Chain - 1/29/2018 at 08:22 PM

quote:
quote:
I agree about A Different Kind of Truth. The album just flat out rocks and from a sonic level it's almost a work out to listen to from end to end...In a good way that is.


I agree with this whole-heartedly. The production sucks. Only thing worse in the VH catalog, from a production point, is VH3. It is brickwalled and EVH's guitar tone is deplorably buzzy/chainsaw. I don't know if that's what makes it so tiresome to listen to, or just the balls-to-wall energy from start to finish. A lot of VH-ites all seem to be most into the leftovers from the 1976 demos, but my faves are actually the small handful of "new" tunes that were written in more recent years. DLR's vocal limitation (and lyrics) detract from You and Yer Blues, but that would be a great great song if done properly. Trouble with Never sounds like classic VH to my ears. Stay Frosty is a DLR-written tune that Wolf arranged, but is Ice Cream Man Part Deux. And China Town, As-Is, and HoneyBabySweetieDoll are all great listens too. Terrific record. I just wish they would "remaster" it when they finally get around to remastering the remainder of the catalog (Hagar/VH3), which will happen some time between pigs flying and a Pink Floyd reunion.

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I agree about remastering both albums....One thing I didn't like about ADKOT is Alex being very buried in the mix. For once we got a louder bass but unfortunately a too low Alex....Plus it does have that sterile digital sound so common in today's recordings. That said, there's some excellent songs on ADKOT....Would love to hear more of the rumored material that didn't make the album but were recorded.


jszfunk - 1/30/2018 at 01:56 AM

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Ahh, here's the It's About Time video on youtube (however long this will last too). Funny at 4:07 mark.

https://youtu.be/RlPqm0Lcr5w


Wow....uh......not sure what to say. No Michael Anthony in any of the 2004 footage. I heard he did not play bass on the 2 new tracks recorded with Sam during that time.

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jszfunk - 1/30/2018 at 12:19 PM

So from what I understand , during the trailer video he explains what are in these "vaults" as far as the content. They are 1 hr long . He has 500 for sale. I thought maybe he would want to do more of a documentary movie with some narrative from himself and I am sure Sammy would be on board and release it that way. Maybe the material he has to work with would not be enough or right format to present it in. I am not sure.


Zambi - 1/30/2018 at 02:33 PM

Yeah, I wonder if he had $250k stuck in his mind, such as being promised that amount by EVH, but never being paid. He claims nothing was ever signed though (principle behind him being allowed to release it), but the VH lawsuit indicates a settlement was made in 2015 and VH/EVH owns all footage outright. So I don't really know.

The "vault" description is a little unclear to me. It does say it is 1 hour of material, but it also mentions audio of a full day of rehearsals direct from the 5150 soundboard. In any event, it doesn't contain anything from the Sammy 2004 run. He claims to document only from the time Wolf joined until DLR re-joined the band (no video of DLR per DLR's insistence). From the web-site:

quote:

Of the hundreds of hours of footage,
a vault has been created of one hour of content containing:

- video of 3 songs performed, uncut, with live audio, from inside 5150

- video of candid moments and an intimate look from inside 5150 rehearsals

- audio of a full day of rehearsal, uncut recorded straight from the board at 5150

- isolated and handheld shots of Alex playing in the live room at 5150

- "Hot For Teacher" rehearsal performances edited together from days of footage of all three members at 5150, synced with board audio.

- 5 digital 16x20 photographs of EVH, Al, and Wolf at 5150



jszfunk - 1/30/2018 at 06:01 PM

quote:
Yeah, I wonder if he had $250k stuck in his mind, such as being promised that amount by EVH, but never being paid. He claims nothing was ever signed though (principle behind him being allowed to release it), but the VH lawsuit indicates a settlement was made in 2015 and VH/EVH owns all footage outright. So I don't really know.

The "vault" description is a little unclear to me. It does say it is 1 hour of material, but it also mentions audio of a full day of rehearsals direct from the 5150 soundboard. In any event, it doesn't contain anything from the Sammy 2004 run. He claims to document only from the time Wolf joined until DLR re-joined the band (no video of DLR per DLR's insistence). From the web-site:

quote:

Of the hundreds of hours of footage,
a vault has been created of one hour of content containing:

- video of 3 songs performed, uncut, with live audio, from inside 5150

- video of candid moments and an intimate look from inside 5150 rehearsals

- audio of a full day of rehearsal, uncut recorded straight from the board at 5150

- isolated and handheld shots of Alex playing in the live room at 5150

- "Hot For Teacher" rehearsal performances edited together from days of footage of all three members at 5150, synced with board audio.

- 5 digital 16x20 photographs of EVH, Al, and Wolf at 5150





Yeah, I had to go back and read it again to fully grasp what its about.
We shall see........


jszfunk - 1/31/2018 at 10:24 PM

Just finished the Andrew Bennett podcast. That was a great listen, I HIGHLY recommend it.
He seems like a good dude with no bad intentions. Sounds like this was just a verbal handshake from Ed to him on what was to be done, that was it. No lawyers ,paper work or nothing according to AB. I would love to see the rest of this stuff.

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Zambi - 2/1/2018 at 03:50 PM

quote:
quote:
Ahh, here's the It's About Time video on youtube (however long this will last too). Funny at 4:07 mark.

https://youtu.be/RlPqm0Lcr5w


Wow....uh......not sure what to say. No Michael Anthony in any of the 2004 footage. I heard he did not play bass on the 2 new tracks recorded with Sam during that time.



You can tell listening to the 2004 tunes that Mike didn't play it. I think he only played on 3 or 4 tunes on VH3. I'm not even sure he played on the 1996 songs with DLR. But he did sing on all of that (1996, 1998, 2004), so I always wondered how that worked. Was he called in to 5150 to do background vocals? If so, I wonder if he even saw the brothers or if he just came in and worked with an engineer to get the backing vox tracked, and then left. Seems like an awkward situation being relegated to the bench, in any event.

I just listened to the Two Daves interview with Sammy Hagar. That was pretty good too. Much better interview too - perhaps they were in awe and too intimidated to interrupt Sam.


jszfunk - 2/10/2018 at 05:43 PM

in the video clip below from a few years ago at the 3:00 min mark they show a little clip inside the tape vault. From what I can see its pretty impressive, and thats probably an understatement.

https://youtu.be/EurzVWbd278


Zambi - 2/11/2018 at 04:54 PM

Wow, indeed an understatement. I want to hear some of that!

I hope he is detailed with climate control inside that place. Always got the impression from reading interviews with others who have worked there that it's always a bit of a messy place, even dumpy, so I never imagined it to be the best place to store archives. Hope I am wrong though.


jszfunk - 2/12/2018 at 12:16 PM

Ed needs an archivist with or we will never see/hear any of it. Probably will come down to Wolfie taking care of it when Ed passes on I assume. Are there finished songs, instrumental jams, Eddie noodling...who knows.

Wolfie seems like a real good guy and you can tell Ed adores him.


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