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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 04:55 PM
anyone else ever ponder that if the allmans did replace duane?, i know sacreligeous to think! but always wondered would johnny been a good choice?I mean he already had his own identity at that point but i dont know, like to see the opinions on this
 
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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 05:09 PM
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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 05:11 PM
Peter Green was originally considered, so much so that they went to the effort to find him .... and found him they did ......... digging graves for a living in London somewhere ... enter Chuck.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 05:23 PM
not one bit
 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 05:27 PM
love JW but no ... not really

 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 05:38 PM
Butch told a little story here once - or maybe I heard it second hand from another poster claiming it came from Butch . . . something about a "Texas guitar-slinger who started hanging around Macon for just that purpose" [to get recruited for the job]. Maybe not his exact words, but close.

He didn't name Johnny Winter specifically, but everybody participating in that thread at the time figured that's who he was talking about.

I like Johnny immensely, always have, but I don't think he would have been a good fit. Duane, while he could get down and dirty when need be, had a finesse and beauty to his playing that was truly unique. Johnny's playing is/was almost brash by comparison. Would have been like trading in a greyhound for a rottweiler.

I think the decision to go with Chuck was the right one.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 05:45 PM
Another angle to consider: Duane died in October 1971. If I'm not mistaken, Johnny Winter around that time was heavily in the throes of a hard core heroin addiction. Not that there weren't drugs going on in ABB, but it probably was a problem they didn't need. Chuck was a pretty together cat.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 05:50 PM
anyone think johnny winter would a great replacement for duane?

Absolutely not

 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 06:07 PM
NO ! Johnny's a great guitar player, but a TOTALLY different style that just wouldn't fit. That's my opinion anyway.
 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 06:11 PM
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love JW but no ... not really




agreed .....

 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 06:46 PM
Wouldn't say he's crap but he's certainly not like he used to be. There's flashes of the old Johnny there occasionally but he's lost a lot. I've seen him 3 times in recent years & he's played the same 75 minute set every time. Fine to start with as I hadn't seen him for 20 years, ok the second time, third time was one too many. He's still a legend but that's it for me I think.
 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 07:36 PM
Wasn't Phil Walden trying to push Les Dudek into some sort of role
with the brothers? How he got to be on the "Brothers and Sisters" album.

Bigann might know more I guess

 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 07:43 PM
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Wasn't Phil Walden trying to push Les Dudek into some sort of role
with the brothers? How he got to be on the "Brothers and Sisters" album.

Bigann might know more I guess




If you listen to Johnny jamming with the Bros on Mtn Jam on the Atlanta pop Fest CD you can tell that his style is just too frenetic to be a good fit. It's cool for a change of pace but there is no way it would sound good for 2+ hours a night within the context of the ABB.

Johnny is used to being a frontman. I'm not sure he would be able to handle a supporting role very well, although he did play that role with Muddy. Don't think I've ever heard him play rhythm guitar....

 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 09:16 PM
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Wasn't Phil Walden trying to push Les Dudek into some sort of role
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Bigann might know more I guess




I can remember going to see Les Dudek at the Bacchanal in San Diego in about 1981...being an Allman fan I was excited about getting to hear the guy that played on "Brothers & Sisters"...

...I was bored outta my skull. His music was nothing like the Allmans and at that time I can recall doubting whether or not Les had the chops to go for two hours a night playing the likes of "YDLM" or whippin' post.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2009 at 09:32 PM
Nope JW is 180degrees out from Duanes playing Jack Pearson came the closest i believe to the vibe and touch of Duane...

 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 12:14 AM
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anyone else ever ponder that if the allmans did replace duane?, i know sacreligeous to think! but always wondered would johnny been a good choice?I mean he already had his own identity at that point but i dont know, like to see the opinions on this


Well, JW sure kicked the Brothers in the ass on an otherwise lackluster night I saw at the Hollywood Bowl on 8/6/72...

The band was listless, and when he hit the stage, they caught fire for a couple songs...

I wish he would have played the whole night...

Or how about Jesse Ed?

 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 12:18 AM
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anyone else ever ponder that if the allmans did replace duane?, i know sacreligeous to think! but always wondered would johnny been a good choice?I mean he already had his own identity at that point but i dont know, like to see the opinions on this


Well, JW sure kicked the Brothers in the ass on an otherwise lackluster night I saw at the Hollywood Bowl on 8/6/72...

The band was listless, and when he hit the stage, they caught fire for a couple songs...

I wish he would have played the whole night...

Or how about Jesse Ed?


I've seen bootlegs of that Hollywood Bowl show. Always wondered what it sounded like.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 06:58 AM
I HIGHLY doubt Johnny Winter ever wanted to be or tried to become a member of the ABB. That's just not Johnny. His career was riding high back then even though he was addicted to snorting heroin. Johnny says he never ran it but we will see what his biography says when it comes out next May. He did burn out on the whole rock "Johnny Winter And" thing and wanted to get back to just playing blues and even though the ABB play some blues, they are a rock band. I also doubt his manager at the time, Teddy Slatus, would have let his cash cow become a side man in the ABB anyway. There was too much money to be made off Johnny as a front man.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 07:18 AM
JW is a great guitar player but he doesn't get my mojo going. Sorry but I'll have to pass.

Based on the body of work, I think the ABB did okay post Duane!

 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 08:57 AM
There is no one guitarist that could have fit into the Allman Brothers Band seamlessly after Duane died. Other than what Duane did musically, the band was left leaderless, it took about a year of the band touring as a 5 piece, for new roles to develop. I believe they would not have lasted that long if they had added another player so soon after Duane's death.
 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 09:00 AM
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Peter Green was originally considered, so much so that they went to the effort to find him .... and found him they did ......... digging graves for a living in London somewhere ... enter Chuck.


I didn't this. Was this right after Duane died?

It would have been something to hear, but I don't know if it would have workrd.


 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 09:15 AM
Add another vote to the NO column. I like Johnny Winter, but not in the ABB.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 09:18 AM
I had never heard the Peter Green story either!! Very interesting!! Is that verified?

Duane not only had a certain sound but a certain personality. Tough to replace both.

My musical pick in extreme hindisght (almost 4 decades later!!) would have been Mick Taylor. His guitar playing would have fit the bill for sure. No guarantees about how his personality would have worked out with the rest of the ABB.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 09:33 AM
I too love JW, but no...

Can't see him as an ABB member.....ever

The band made the right move with Chuck

 

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  posted on 11/5/2009 at 09:35 AM
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Nope JW is 180degrees out from Duanes playing Jack Pearson came the closest i believe to the vibe and touch of Duane...


My thoughts exactly...

The band sounds more like the original when Jack is playing with them

 

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