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  posted on 10/29/2009 at 06:21 PM
Nature or Nurture?

God knows we have discussed just about everything concerning politics, but this one jumped out at me the other day...

Are our political views based on our birth lottery, home, school, friends?

Does any one exposure in your life change your political point of view or does it/did it evolve?


I'll go first...

I grew up in a Democrat FDR household...JFK was Iconic. We sat in front of the TV for three days and mourned.

I grew up in the 60's/70's. I was exposed to Nixon, Carter, Ford, Reagan etc..

I always voted Democrat because thats the exposure I had. After I bought my first house and lived through the Carter Administration...gas shortages(real or made up)..Iran Hostages etc...I started to sour on that leaning.

This is not a Carter bashing thread BTW

My point of view changed in the 80's. It's how I still view myself today.

I once asked my FDR Democrat Mother why she voted the way she did and she said...."because thats how my Father voted"


Just curious if some of you came into this world with your current views.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2009 at 06:25 PM
I made up my own mind that the people who killed the Kennedys (conservatives) would never fool me into voting for them as they did you and so many others.

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I made up my own mind that the people who killed the Kennedys (conservatives) would never fool me into voting for them as they did you and so many others.


WTF?

 

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  posted on 10/29/2009 at 06:39 PM
I should have known...oh well.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2009 at 06:44 PM
I dont fall into the Political party BS.. never did.

Though as a kid, I was told how great JFK and FDR were..

But for me, whoever I feel is lying the least gets my vote.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2009 at 06:55 PM
I was born into a Lincoln republican party. My parents always voted republican and Mom even went so far as to sign a petition to have Truman impeached during the McArthur incident. I registered to vote after Kennedy was assassinated and did so as a republican. It was the party of my parents and I didn't like Johnson. Then along came Nixon and I just couldn't vote for him or the candidate running against Carter.....so I didn't vote. Then I saw what was being done to Carter during the election for his second term and I hated Reagan for it all. After that, I realized the party left me and the values I believed in were being taken by the democratic party. I still vote for the candidate and would have supported McCain at one time....I'd still support Chuck Hagel if he stayed true to what he's said in the past. But for now, it's my decision based on what I know of the candidates that influences me. Trust me....my parents weren't happy that I didn't follow the 'party' line, so to speak.

 

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My Dad was union, FDR, Democrat all the way. Business owners were the enemy, the "worker" was normally right, and deserving of all sorts of benefits from the endless cookie jar of profits that owners horded for themselves. And of course; govt should be coming up with all sorts of benefits for the citizens. That was the environment I grew up in and believed well into my 20's.

As my career developed into sales - something I never, ever thought I would end up doing - my exposure to business owners became closer and more personal. If you are successful selling capital equipment and/or supplies to a business owner, you often gain admission to their inner circle of trust. You get to see their finances first hand. You see the sense of responsibility that so many feel to make payroll every week. You watch many leverage their homes and investments so that the business continues and people can get paid.

These were the same owners in the same industry that my Dad had worked in. But I had a view he never had. These were guys not really different than my Dad, except for the fact they took the risk and the extra effort to go further. I'd hear my Dad talk about what he should have done with $10 grand he had following WWII. But these guys did it. They didn't punch a clock and expect time and a half after 8 hours (double time or more on weekends). They had no limits to their commitment.

At the same time, as I became more successful, the tax burden started to become a number that you really begin to pay attention to. Bought my first house in my late 20's, and really began to pay attention when the total of property tax, city income tax, state income tax, city sales tax, state sales tax, Federal income tax, FICA, Medicare, and on and on becomes $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 or more every year. If that doesn't get your attention, one wonders what would.

Jimmy Carter was probably the breaking point for me. All his weak-ass "malaise" nonsense. Then Ford's ridiculous WIN! buttons (Whip Inflation Now!). Reagan's vision really made me pay close attention to Washington for the first time. He was right; Washington is the problem, and it still is today. I've been a conservative, and now Libertarian ever since.

The Founders view of central power, liberty, responsibility, property rights, and human nature holds as true today as it did then. That we've distorted their intent is the root cause of our most of our problems today.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2009 at 07:29 PM
I consider myself an independent. I've voted both Republican and Democrat over the years. Like Ed, I remember 3 days spent in front of the TV during a long ago November. That may have been my first realization of an individuals power to move and affect the masses. My family are staunch Republicans - parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents. My grandmothers both held public office in their small county in Kansas and I remember going to the local town fairs and passing out their campaign cards as a young child ... their Republican campaign cards. And since I do vote Democrat there are some pretty spirited debates over desert during holiday dinners - both while the grandparents were alive to present day. My nephew is a definite Republican and is often the one who initiates these 'conversations' nowadays (while my sister shakes her head and wonders 'how did this happen?')





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Nature or Nurture?

God knows we have discussed just about everything concerning politics, but this one jumped out at me the other day...

Are our political views based on our birth lottery, home, school, friends?

Does any one exposure in your life change your political point of view or does it/did it evolve?


I'll go first...

I grew up in a Democrat FDR household...JFK was Iconic. We sat in front of the TV for three days and mourned.

I grew up in the 60's/70's. I was exposed to Nixon, Carter, Ford, Reagan etc..

I always voted Democrat because thats the exposure I had. After I bought my first house and lived through the Carter Administration...gas shortages(real or made up)..Iran Hostages etc...I started to sour on that leaning.

This is not a Carter bashing thread BTW

My point of view changed in the 80's. It's how I still view myself today.

I once asked my FDR Democrat Mother why she voted the way she did and she said...."because thats how my Father voted"


Just curious if some of you came into this world with your current views.




Ed,

We're almost mirror opposites. I grew up in a very conservative household (Dad was a GOP precint captain) and area (Rumsfeld went to my high school and was our congressional representative). Voted Republican for Ford (not Carter) even though I was incredibly pissed at him for pardoning Nixon, and Reagan, but drew the line after Bush said "Read My Lips" and he denied we were in a recession when we clearly were. I was also pissed that he didn't put Hussein away when he had the chance. But in retrospect, Ronnie, who I loved when he was Pres, hasn't aged well historically in my eyes, whereas Bush 1 looks better every day. I now understand why he didn't take the "gimme put" and bury Hussein.

Then we had Bush 2. Can't say anything that hasn't already been said.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2009 at 07:43 PM
My parents had an influence on my political views no doubt.

I did not vote for Obama or McCain in the last election, all though I did vote.

I would have liked to have voted for Ron Paul, but the media was never going to allow him to be considered as a serious candidate. The whole sound money, fiscal responsibility, and end the wars stuff is considered "crazy" talk I guess.

The two party system is dead. It is the old boy network and corporatocracy rules. When it comes to policy, I have yet to see a difference between the two. More spending, more wars, more printing of money. Even if a third party were to gain power, it wouldn't take long before they were corrupted too. The system is broke and I am not sure I will see it fixed in my lifetime.

 

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My parents had an influence on my political views no doubt.

I did not vote for Obama or McCain in the last election, all though I did vote.

I would have liked to have voted for Ron Paul, but the media was never going to allow him to be considered as a serious candidate. The whole sound money, fiscal responsibility, and end the wars stuff is considered "crazy" talk I guess.

The two party system is dead. It is the old boy network and corporatocracy rules. When it comes to policy, I have yet to see a difference between the two. More spending, more wars, more printing of money. Even if a third party were to gain power, it wouldn't take long before they were corrupted too. The system is broke and I am not sure I will see it fixed in my lifetime.


You could have still voted for Paul as a write-in candidate.

I liked him too.

 

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He actually asked people not to do that? I am not sure why. He is one of the last true conservatives left and I would vote for him in a heartbeat if he were to actually get the nomination or run as a third party candidate. If he splits the conservative vote, and the democrats win, that isn't going to change anything either. The media will never let someone like that win.
 

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Are our political views based on our birth lottery, home, school, friends?

Does any one exposure in your life change your political point of view or does it/did it evolve?




Shaped by life experience, but constantly evolving...

 

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Politics was never really important to me or my family. I didnt really care about it at all until the 80's when I realized that the Republicans were all about military might. I liked what I saw in the 90's through Clintons term and realized that while I had conservative views in a lot of areas, I also had a lot of more liberal views. I have always voted for who I thought would do the best job as well as who was more ideologically similar to me. Once I saw how the conservatives were during Iraq, I grew considerably more opposite of them. Every politician lies, we know this. What they lie about matters though. I will never forgive the Right for lying about Iraq nor will I ever forgive the media for letting them get away with it.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2009 at 10:53 PM
My family was completely non-political, though my Dad was definitely a conservative. I came out of my childhood a blank slate, and my political views continue to evolve. I voted for Carter in '76, Reagan in '80, Reagan in '84, Bush in '88, did not vote in '92, did not vote in '96, Bush in 2000, Kerry in 2004, Obama in 2008. I have no idea who I will vote for in 2012.

 

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Both sets of my grandparents in West Virginia were pretty much Mountain State Democrats right down the line. My Mom's dad, however, was a factory worker and a nationally-known gunsmith who did work for individuals and law enforcement all around the country. Once the Democrats started to go after gun owners, that became a priority for him. My own parents weren't beholden to either party. When I was a kid, starting around when I was about 8 years old, my Dad would finish the daily paper and hand it directly to me and we would have many discussions about the politics of the day. I was never one to think or vote a certain way because my parents thought a certain way. I was veering torwards the hippy liberal side of things even by 5th grade in 1969 when the biggest argument I ever had with my parents came because I wanted to wear flaired jeans, much less elephant bells which would come soon after. Being that dad was a military man, any leanings towards hippydom was not welcomed, and then he left home when I was 12 and my Mom got hip and it opened all of us up light years.

After watching the Watergate hearings in school, I wasn't happy with Nixon even though I liked his moves torwards China and Russia. By the time I graduated from high school I was liberal as all get out. In my first presidential election I voted for Jimmah Carter, worried that Reagan was a war monger. I was in agreement with the leftist ideas found in the punk rock I was listening and slam dancing to in the early 1980's, as well as everything going on at the college campus. My best friend'a dad was an award-winning Russian language teacher who helped many from Russia and Eastern Europe to escape communism once they escaped and got here and I got to know many of them and learned of their experiences and plight, including Russians here on official visits who had to go back to the Soviet Union at the time.

Gradually, after that I vote in 1980 I began to educate myself and really looked into what President Reagan was all about and by 1984 it eventually hit me- I got it. Once I truly figured out the evil that was communism and Reagan's unwavering reaction to the communist model, as well as coming to appreciate Reagan's belief that encouraging entrepreneurship was what truly unleashed the American spirit, and that a high tax rate of 72% was ridiculous, and that the government competing with business to borrow money was not good when overdone, and that coming after Watergate and Carter's 'malaisse' attitude and lack of leadership, pride in what is good about America and a sense of patriotism and positivity was important and produced results, as you can see from the level of Reagan's re-election. Read the lyrics of Charlie Daniels song "In America" from 1980 and notice what the lyrics were in REACTION to as far as the mindset of America after Carter, and you get the picture. By the time 1984 rolled around, I gladly and proudly voted for President Reagan and right after his death, the thoughts of those on the ground with world events of the era such as Lech Walesa and Natan Sharansky tell it all. Since then, I have voted for independents, democrats as well as republicans, and neither party impresses me right now.

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  posted on 10/30/2009 at 06:13 AM
I was born and reared in the south and my parents were conservative, although we never discussed politics. My dad was good friends with George Wallace and his wife, Lurlene (?). They always followed the conventional wisdom of the times and went from being Wallace followers to accepting that blacks should have equal rights as the civil rights era moved into the 70s. It was very confusing growing up watching the war on the nightly news, the riots in the streets, the outright hatred and violence against blacks, not understanding what I was being told as it did not square with what I was experiencing in life...such as being taught about Jesus and his love for all people while the teachers (my parents and Sunday school teachers, and the teachers at school) would also be teaching me that blacks were inferior and lazy, that war was good, etc...All the blacks I knew worked like hell and their children were just kids like me and that the overwhelming majority of blacks I knew were just damn good people. The cognitive dissonance building up eventually erupted into a rejection of all the lies I had been taught and intellectual honesty demanded an agonizing reappraisal of religious views, of political views, views about gays and blacks, etc...I became an artist and musician and liberal political activist, much to the chagrin of my parents, who always supported me and loved me even if they thought I was wrong. Lord, how my dad hated my long hair and hippy ways, but bless his heart, he accepted it and never disowned me. My loyalty and sympathy is with the lower and middle classes, the poor people who actually make this country run. Attacks on these groups in the form of anti-union rhetoric and action, racism, tax policy...basically the whole modern 'movement conservative' agenda, imo, have gotten us to the low point we are now in. The stronger the middle class is, the stronger we are as a nation. The American middle class is what fuels not only America's economy, but the world's economy as well.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2009 at 07:00 AM
Dad worked in a factory. Union man. So I am always for the workers vs. corporations.
The recession of the 70s was very hard on our family. 3 local factories closed. No work.

Strongly affected by the Vietnam Antiwar movement. Nixon killed the draft just before my 18th birthday.
Lost some friends in that disaster. Became a Pacifist based on that and my Christian Faith. (Methodist)

Registered Democrat and worked for the Carter Campaign when I was 19.
(student absentee voter registration drive)

Worked summers as a lifeguard, that and scholarships got me to and through college.

Sophomore Political Science class in college that looked at US History via the ruling elite opened my eyes
to how money/politics really worked. Also started reading Hunter Thompson's political books.
Fear and loathing on the Campaign trail, The Great White Shark Hunt.

Left The Democrats when Clinton took the party to the right. Now registered Green.
Supported Nader, not Obama.

I have Always been an environmentalist. Fishing, Hiking, bird watching have always been my favorite activities.
Been an Audubon Society member since early 70s. I have always felt the corporations rape of the land is
a major sin based on God's command that we be stewards of this world. Especially watching the damage
to the beautiful mountains of Western Maryland and West Virginia by strip mining.

To me this is still the most important Issue we face.

Went to College to become an Environmental Scientist, Only to graduate when Reagan slashed the EPA
and experienced folks were hitting the pavement looking for work. Fortunately I had a Computer Science
minor to fall back on.

I have always been at the far left of the political spectrum.

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  posted on 10/30/2009 at 07:44 AM
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I made up my own mind that the people who killed the Kennedys (conservatives) would never fool me into voting for them as they did you and so many others.


Huh? Now this is a new conspiracy theory I have never heard.

Grew up in a conservative household, and was always told “vote republican”. I think my own experiences though shaped the way I vote more than someone telling me that I should vote republican all the time. I can’t just vote along party lines all the time, particularly when I don’t like the candidate. Quite frankly, I think both parties are catastrophes, so when I go into the voting booth now, I just alternate which levers I pull, one republican, one democrat, etc. This way, I figure I can balance all of their **** . This past election, I did not pull a lever for president, but just voted for the local folks that were running. I looked for a write in candidate, but there were none, and there was also no third party on the ballot in CT. I truly hope that one day this two party system will go away. Doesn’t seem to be too productive lately.

 

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I can guareentee it wasn't the liberals. Nixon was in Dallas the day before and left in the morning before JFK's arival. He had told reporters upon arrival that he was in town for a Pepsi convention but there was none. Why did he lie?
 

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I can guareentee it wasn't the liberals. Nixon was in Dallas the day before and left in the morning before JFK's arival. He had told reporters upon arrival that he was in town for a Pepsi convention but there was none. Why did he lie?



Nixon was involved with killing JFK? This is getting good, please elaborate.

 

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I can guareentee it wasn't the liberals. Nixon was in Dallas the day before and left in the morning before JFK's arival. He had told reporters upon arrival that he was in town for a Pepsi convention but there was none. Why did he lie?



Nixon was involved with killing JFK? This is getting good, please elaborate.


There was or was not a party at the home of Clint Murchison, Sr. the night before the assassination that purportedly included Nixon, H.L. Hunt, maybe or maybe not J. Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson, and other members of a right wing group of wealthy businessmen.

Nixon was in Texas that Thursday, though, and was deeply connected to Murchison and Hunt. Some wild claims include LBJ being there as well, but LBJ was photographed with JFK at an event in Houston that night.

There's always going to be eyebrow-raising stuff about these men. It's the "yeah, but what does it all mean" part that gets sticky. Take LBJ. This is a guy who entered public service life broke and emerged at the end with a personal net worth of over $30 million. What does it mean? All kinds of things, I guess.

 

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As to the topic...

Pretty much a Democrat by birth. My great-grandmother was the first female Democratic Committeewoman in the State of Kansas. The house I grew up in was a voting place in the 30s and 40s. Voting Republican was never even considered.

When I hit the teenage years and really started following politics, this was between 1985 and 1988, the meat of the Reagan years and the 80s, obviously. I was really into Reagan and to the absolute horror of my parents, almost joined the Young Republicans. It all made sense to me at the time. My first vote for President I voted for H. W. Bush, but I clearly remember that was mostly because I thought Dukakis was an idiot, and I had some college classmates from Massachusetts that hated him and told everyone why as often as they could. Now, college being college, I didn't pay much attention to politics for a spell.

Then, on July 4, 1990, I saw the Grateful Dead for the first time. Changed my life significantly. I had never really seen the power and joy of the communal spirit in that way. A little over a month later, on August 12, 1990, I saw The Allman Brothers Band for the first time. With a different way of looking at things, and a Deadhead college professor that I had who hosted wonderful talks at his house just off campus about current events and such, I really changed.

Then Bill Clinton came along. Being 22 years old, I bought into it. Did a ton of volunteering on that campaign. Put more hope and faith into a politician than I ever had before or since. Thing is, Clinton is responsible in large part for the sometimes extreme cynicism I now have for politics as a whole. I'll never put that much faith into any politician ever again.

I don't know how to really explain why I stay firmly leaning left the older I get without taking shots at the other side, so I won't. All I know is the cliche about one getting more conservative as one gets older hasn't really kicked in for me yet, but, then again, what is liberal and what is conservative anymore has become so obtuse maybe I'm more conservative than I think.

I do think I'm like a lot of people, socially liberal but fiscally conservative. I identify most strongly with the Blue Dogs, but not on everything.

 

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I'm a left leaning independent who was raised in an Illinois Adlai Stevenson household. To this day my Dad says Stevenson would have been a better President then Eisenhower. If there is one man on earth who should be a conservative Republican and isn't it's my Dad , self made millionaire a few times over, small but really successful business owner etc.etc.

First federal election I was eligible to vote in was Carter-Ford. Carter came to speak at my college and I liked his views on environment and energy so he got my vote.

I liked Reagan at first until my co-worker started bringing his mentally ill wife into work on second shift to keep an eye on her. It was really sad. He explained Reagan cut the federal programs for the mentally ill and transferred them to the states, Wisconsin had no provision to deal with it, so she no longer got the care she needed. (She had some type of depression disorder and there was a local community center she could no longer go to while he was at work). So that turned me against him along with the fact the last 2 years in office he was suffering from dementia.

I thought Bush 1 was ok other than totally ignoring any type of domestic agenda. He was clearly infinitely more wise than his moron of a son.

Clinton was nothing more then a moderate Republican, gave the big corporations everything they desired. Wall street flourished but I still think it was an enormous and costly waste of time and money to find out he was getting a spit shine on his knob and trying to hide it from his wife. No telling what he could have gotten done if not spending all his time defending himself.

Starting a war on falsified intelligence aside Bush 2 let the Evangelicals and neocons take over the country and completely ruined our reputation world wide among long time close friends and allies.

 

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I can guareentee it wasn't the liberals. Nixon was in Dallas the day before and left in the morning before JFK's arival. He had told reporters upon arrival that he was in town for a Pepsi convention but there was none. Why did he lie?



Nixon was involved with killing JFK? This is getting good, please elaborate.


Having read almost everything theory out there concerning 11/22/63...This has always stayed with me...BECAUSE of the Nixon connection:



The 3 “Tramps” arrested in a Boxcar on November 22 1963 in Dallas Tx. Minutes after the Assassination of JFK..



E. Howard Hunt form “Watergate” fame who looks an awful lot like the “tramp” on the far right.



Frank Sturgis, another Nixon “Watergate”...operative, who looks an awful lot like the “tramp” in the middle.

Mr. Hunt is also the only person to have lost at a trial concerning that fateful day. Under oath, he claimed to have been at home that day, his son testified that he was in Dallas....

 

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