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  posted on 10/20/2009 at 01:46 AM
its obvious there was some modifications goin on. very different tone than standard humbucker pickup. anybody know what he did? his bridge pickup sounds normal but the neck pickup sounds so different! anybody else notice this?
 
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  posted on 10/21/2009 at 12:59 AM
I'm not sure it's true or not but I've heard from Kunio Kishida that Duane's front pickup coil's turn was twice upped from normal PAF pickup.

 

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  posted on 10/21/2009 at 01:02 AM
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I'm not sure it's true or not but I've heard from Kunio Kishida that Duane's front pickup coil's turn was twice upped from normal PAF pickup.



That would make somewhere in the 14.5 to just under 16.00 ohm category.

[Edited on 10/21/2009 by Haisija]

 

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  posted on 10/21/2009 at 01:24 AM
Masahiko, Kunio has a Gibson issue Duane Les Paul, do you know if he has ever ohmed out the pickups on it, and if so what they ohmed at ?

 

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  posted on 10/21/2009 at 03:45 PM
The pickups Duane liked so much he removed them from the tobacco burst and put them in Hot Lanta ?

 

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  posted on 10/21/2009 at 05:48 PM
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I'm not sure it's true or not but I've heard from Kunio Kishida that Duane's front pickup coil's turn was twice upped from normal PAF pickup.



interesting, it sounds so much warmer and almost distant than normal humbucker.
im wondering if he somehow increased the distance between his neck pickup and the strings to achieve a less hot sound. almost like you cant hear the pick hit the strings as much. maybe the way he strung his guitar had something to do with it?

 

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  posted on 10/21/2009 at 07:25 PM
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Masahiko, Kunio has a Gibson issue Duane Les Paul, do you know if he has ever ohmed out the pickups on it, and if so what they ohmed at ?


Jon, I've never heard about it from him but I think he didn't. Only I heard is he wanted to shape its neck thinner for better playability but I have no idea if he did or not.

 

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  posted on 10/21/2009 at 07:28 PM
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The pickups Duane liked so much he removed them from the tobacco burst and put them in Hot Lanta ?


Yes, Duane did so. I heard that he did it by himself, not by other person. Also I heard he turned up his pickup by himself as well.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 02:22 PM
i think there's a little bit of confusion....the Tobacco Burst is Hot 'Lanta.....
do you mean when Duane had the pickups removed from the Goldtop and placed in the
Cherry Burst? Or are you saying from the cherryburst to the tobacco burst?

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 12:00 AM
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almost like you cant hear the pick hit the strings as much. maybe the way he strung his guitar had something to do with it?


Well depending on what song he might have been finger picking.

I've never really read how often duane used picks, if ever, I'm pretty sure he used a pick for most of his non slide stuff, but as you said you can't hear a pick, so it makes me wonder.

[Edited on 10/23/2009 by Duane24]

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 01:30 PM
Duane definitely used a pick when he was not playing slide, at least 99% of the time if he wasn't going for a few notes with hybrid picking.

Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean technically when you say "Duane's front pickup coil's turn was twice upped from normal PAF pickup." I really want to know more about pickups and the crazy things one can do to them.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 05:43 PM
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I'm not sure it's true or not but I've heard from Kunio Kishida that Duane's front pickup coil's turn was twice upped from normal PAF pickup.



That would make somewhere in the 14.5 to just under 16.00 ohm category.

[Edited on 10/21/2009 by Haisija]


I don't know what your basing those numbers on from what i've read about PAF Humbucking pick-ups on the Les Pauls from the era Duane used. The "ohm" readings would have been...I think in the area of 7. Something to high 8. something.. with the higher output number being for the Bridge Pickup. The 14.5 to 16.00 Ohm readings you used would seem(to Me) like thier from Modern("Hotter") Higher output pick-ups.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 06:11 PM
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I'm not sure it's true or not but I've heard from Kunio Kishida that Duane's front pickup coil's turn was twice upped from normal PAF pickup.



interesting, it sounds so much warmer and almost distant than normal humbucker.
im wondering if he somehow increased the distance between his neck pickup and the strings to achieve a less hot sound. almost like you cant hear the pick hit the strings as much. maybe the way he strung his guitar had something to do with it?




Here's a pic with Duane and His Two Les Pauls with "Hot Lanta"(tobacco Burst) on the right. If you look closely at the Tail piece/Bridge at the bottom of both guitars you can see how Duane Ran the strings over the top of the Tail-piece (called Topwrapping) over the bridge and on up the neck to the Machine Heads. I know if you did a Google search (or even try it here)on "topwrapping" you would find all kinds of info pro and con about the practice of stringing a guitar that way( I've done it to one of my LP type guitars). I'm also of the opinion that the tonal difference's your talking about in reguards to his pick-ups has more to do with his use/ manipulation of the Tone/volume knobs and the sector switch on the guitar( and the amps he was using)his pickup's looked (to me)to be at a pretty standard height as compared to other famous Les Paul guitar players

(these are just MY observations i'm sure there are a lot more knowledgable people here)

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 06:21 PM



Well depending on what song he might have been finger picking.

I've never really read how often duane used picks, if ever, I'm pretty sure he used a pick for most of his non slide stuff, but as you said you can't hear a pick, so it makes me wonder.

[Edited on 10/23/2009 by Duane24]


i know that duane used a pick, ive seen him use one on the footage that is available to us. as well as listening to his style its obvious he uses a pick but what baffles me is how you can barley hear it. he had the soft touch so to speak but it sounds like something more was going on.
heres what ive gathered.
1.duane was left handed and played right handed giving his pick style a softer feel.
2.the way he strung his guitar might have played a role?
3.extra winding of his neck pickup?
4.choice of amplification?
5.and as chasenbluesman suggested, manipulation of the tone knobs


[Edited on 10/23/2009 by gibsonguy]

[Edited on 10/23/2009 by gibsonguy]

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 09:29 PM
If you look closely at some of the photos of Duane's picking hand you can sometimes make out the pointed end of the pick sticking out away from the strings. I don't know if this was haphazard or intentional, but it would result in the round end of the pick striking the strings. Believe it or not, this actually has a substantial impact on the tone produced. It creates a significantly more mellow and rounder tone with a lot less audible pick attack. The other advantage and possible reason for using this approach is there is less drag or resistance when picking. Several well known players incorporate this approach. Stevie Ray Vaughan was a proponent of this. But, his right hand attack was more aggressive.
 

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  posted on 10/25/2009 at 06:49 PM
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I'm not sure it's true or not but I've heard from Kunio Kishida that Duane's front pickup coil's turn was twice upped from normal PAF pickup.



That would make somewhere in the 14.5 to just under 16.00 ohm category.

[Edited on 10/21/2009 by Haisija]


I don't know what your basing those numbers on from what i've read about PAF Humbucking pick-ups on the Les Pauls from the era Duane used. The "ohm" readings would have been...I think in the area of 7. Something to high 8. something.. with the higher output number being for the Bridge Pickup. The 14.5 to 16.00 Ohm readings you used would seem(to Me) like thier from Modern("Hotter") Higher output pick-ups.


Masahiko's comment about Duane's neck pickup being "doubled" would pretty much put it in the 14.5 to 16 ohm category. It is possible to get 16ohms with a smaller diameter wire on a humbucker.
Also as note, what I understand Duane had the hotter of the 2 pickups ( taken from Goldie) put in the neck position. So there you go, 14.5 to 16 up on the neck.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2009 at 07:21 AM
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Here's a pic with Duane and His Two Les Pauls with "Hot Lanta"(tobacco Burst) on the right. If you look closely at the Tail piece/Bridge at the bottom of both guitars you can see how Duane Ran the strings over the top of the Tail-piece (called Topwrapping) over the bridge and on up the neck to the Machine Heads. I know if you did a Google search (or even try it here)on "topwrapping" you would find all kinds of info pro and con about the practice of stringing a guitar that way( I've done it to one of my LP type guitars). I'm also of the opinion that the tonal difference's your talking about in reguards to his pick-ups has more to do with his use/ manipulation of the Tone/volume knobs and the sector switch on the guitar( and the amps he was using)his pickup's looked (to me)to be at a pretty standard height as compared to other famous Les Paul guitar players



I have been playing guitar for close to 40 years and I have only seen these tail pieces with topwrapping. I remember reading somewhere(maybe on this forum somewhere) that Duane saw someones guitar strung with the strings strung through the tail piece the other way and told the guy that he strung his guitar wrong and showed him how to do the top wrapping.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2009 at 02:37 PM
i got a question about topwrapping.
do you need to change anything on your guitar before stringing it this way? i have the action kind of high on my les paul so i can play slide as well as normal picking. will this affect anything on the guitar?

 

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  posted on 10/27/2009 at 07:26 PM
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i got a question about topwrapping.
do you need to change anything on your guitar before stringing it this way? i have the action kind of high on my les paul so i can play slide as well as normal picking. will this affect anything on the guitar?



It should not affect the guitar as long as you have a tune-o-matic bridge. The bridge is what determines the string height. The Stop bar tail piece was designed to have the strings topwrapped. The strings sit better using topwrapping but you won't find any adverse effects if you don't use topwrapping.

 

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Here's a pic with Duane and His Two Les Pauls with "Hot Lanta"(tobacco Burst) on the right. If you look closely at the Tail piece/Bridge at the bottom of both guitars you can see how Duane Ran the strings over the top of the Tail-piece (called Topwrapping) over the bridge and on up the neck to the Machine Heads. I know if you did a Google search (or even try it here)on "topwrapping" you would find all kinds of info pro and con about the practice of stringing a guitar that way( I've done it to one of my LP type guitars). I'm also of the opinion that the tonal difference's your talking about in reguards to his pick-ups has more to do with his use/ manipulation of the Tone/volume knobs and the sector switch on the guitar( and the amps he was using)his pickup's looked (to me)to be at a pretty standard height as compared to other famous Les Paul guitar players



I have been playing guitar for close to 40 years and I have only seen these tail pieces with topwrapping. I remember reading somewhere(maybe on this forum somewhere) that Duane saw someones guitar strung with the strings strung through the tail piece the other way and told the guy that he strung his guitar wrong and showed him how to do the top wrapping.


Not sure if its the same reference but there was mention made that Duane had met i believe Toy Caldwel (SP?) from the MTB and showed him about topwrapping. i read it in one of the threads here..

 

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  posted on 10/28/2009 at 07:32 AM
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I have been playing guitar for close to 40 years and I have only seen these tail pieces with topwrapping. I remember reading somewhere(maybe on this forum somewhere) that Duane saw someones guitar strung with the strings strung through the tail piece the other way and told the guy that he strung his guitar wrong and showed him how to do the top wrapping.
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Not sure if its the same reference but there was mention made that Duane had met i believe Toy Caldwel (SP?) from the MTB and showed him about topwrapping. i read it in one of the threads here..




Yes! Toy Caldwell. That was what I was refering to.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2010 at 03:14 PM
How does topwrapping affect your tone? I may want to try this.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2010 at 04:40 PM
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How does topwrapping affect your tone? I may want to try this.


I topwrap my R7 Goldtop and love the way it sounds and feels. Not everyones does, so you have to experiment.
When you topwrap you have to bring the tailpiece down flush with the guitar body. It does seem to add some sustain and 'woodiness" to my ears (some say this is purely voodoo - but I dig voodoo!) and also makes the strings feel a bit slinkier.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2010 at 09:14 PM
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How does topwrapping affect your tone? I may want to try this.


I topwrap my R7 Goldtop and love the way it sounds and feels. Not everyones does, so you have to experiment.
When you topwrap you have to bring the tailpiece down flush with the guitar body. It does seem to add some sustain and 'woodiness" to my ears (some say this is purely voodoo - but I dig voodoo!) and also makes the strings feel a bit slinkier.


Funny, does the type/brand of strings used make it possible to do topwrapping? One guitar I
did this on was fine. a Les Paul Special, but with another, I found that the area where the
strings are wound, it would bind with the tail piece. I can't recall the strings I used for the LPS but apparently it does make it a factor.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2010 at 12:59 PM
I haven't noticed a problem with the strings binding to the tailpiece - but I can't say this will be true for all strings.
Seems some guitars work well with topwraping and some don't.

 

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