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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 06:54 AM
I am not a huge fan of WP Jimmy Herring is so good though I would love to see him do a solo tour with derek trucks or even an album together .
 
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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 07:35 AM
Man! I'd pay $75.00 just to watch Jimmy Herring come out and sit with a guitar on a stool for a couple of hours. Any band that he plays with stock goes up about a million percent just by having him out there!


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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 07:48 AM
I agree about Jimmy being limited by Panic. I have all ideas that Jimmy and Derek will one day be playing together. Peace. BB
 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 08:30 AM
Sorry to disagree but Panic rocks!

They are one of the oldest and best jam bands out there.

I have read that Jimmy did have a contract but now is a permanent member.

Check out the Jimmy Herring Band to hear Jimmy's current solo project.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 08:48 AM
Just my 2 cents but Herring sounded better last night with ABB than WP's set.
 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 08:51 AM
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No.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 08:58 AM
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No.


I've got to agree with BHawk. I can't think of another band more suited to Jimmy's skills. He's a much better fit in Panic than he was in the Allman Brothers in my opinion. I love Jimmy's playing but I think if he wasn't in Panic, he wouldn't get the exposure he gets and I don't think he would make the same money either. Jimmy Herring is great for Panic and vice versa.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 09:00 AM
What Paul said.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 09:10 AM
I will listen to Jimmy anyday, but could do without panic.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 09:33 AM
Jimmy is a class act who brings it all with whomever he is on stage with . He is technically heads and shoulders above most everyone he plays with . But he is never arrogant and fits in the pocket wherever you'll hear him . A great guy !
 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:00 AM
Enough with the Panic hating around here.

Don't get me wrong, because the Allman's are one of my favorite bands, but I think some people on this site are getting upset because Panic is blowing the Allman's off the stage during this tour.

Let face facts here, the Allman's setlists are getting stale (I mean how many million times can they play Mountain Jam and Melissa?). They haven't come out with any new material in over 6 years and that CD wasn't their best. In that same time, Panic has put out 3 albums and their material is constantly staying fresh.

Having Jimmy with Panic just makes them 10X better.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:07 AM
I'm an old Widespread fan. First saw them in 1991 and many times since. Jimmy fits them very very well (though I don't understand why Jimmy & JB have to be so overpowering in their sound live....they are loud!).

That being said, Widespread hasn't had songwriting, minus a few tunes, that even touches their first 4 albums or Medicine Takes in anything that's come out this decade. I'm all for quality over quantity. And this question had nothing to do with the amount of albums the ABB put out this decade. It was weather Jimmy was too good for Panic to which I say no he's not.

I saw one of the ABB/Panic shows together and WP didn't come close to blowing the Allmans off the stage.

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:12 AM
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Enough with the Panic hating around here.



I tend to agree, but everyone has their likes and dislikes.

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Don't get me wrong, because the Allman's are one of my favorite bands, but I think some people on this site are getting upset because Panic is blowing the Allman's off the stage during this tour.



That's your opinion. Why turn it into a contest? I've heard quite a few songs off this tour, I think both bands are playing at a high level and compliment each other nicely.

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Let face facts here, the Allman's setlists are getting stale (I mean how many million times can they play Mountain Jam and Melissa?).



Hmmm. According to Everyday Companion, Panic has played Chilly Water 1,132 times. Should they stop playing it? Does that make it any less of a song?

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They haven't come out with any new material in over 6 years and that CD wasn't their best. In that same time, Panic has put out 3 albums and their material is constantly staying fresh.



Then there's also Spreadheads out there that don't like any of those albums, and there's also folks that think that Panic ended when Mikey passed.

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Having Jimmy with Panic just makes them 10X better.



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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:22 AM
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Enough with the Panic hating around here.

Don't get me wrong, because the Allman's are one of my favorite bands, but I think some people on this site are getting upset because Panic is blowing the Allman's off the stage during this tour.

Let face facts here, the Allman's setlists are getting stale (I mean how many million times can they play Mountain Jam and Melissa?). They haven't come out with any new material in over 6 years and that CD wasn't their best. In that same time, Panic has put out 3 albums and their material is constantly staying fresh.

Having Jimmy with Panic just makes them 10X better.




I love the Allmans but I can't disagree with this. Panic is in the territory of the Mule with every show being a total adventure. The Allmans still bring incredible skill and energy but a lot of the surprise and mystery is gone.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:31 AM
No, I don't think Jimmy is too good for Panic. I've listened to Jimmy play with ARU, Jazz Is Dead, sitting in with Derek Trucks Band, Allman Brothers Band and now with Panic. Jimmy's one of the best around. And, in my opinion, Widespread Panic is another great band from the south and certainly one of the best bands performing today. But in the decade I've been going to Panic shows, I feel that their song writing for the past several years, for the most part, doesn't compare with the songs they wrote pre-2000. Fortunately, their live sets consist of mostly older songs. Also, as great as Jimmy is, he is no replacement for founding member and lead guitarist/songwriter, Michael Houser. Mikey was a quiet, shy personality on stage, but he sure let his guitar do his talking for him. As much as Panic's sound is JB's vocals, JoJo's keyboards and Dave School's thundering bass, Mikey's guitar was just an unreplaceable component to the mix. Mikey was just one of those unique guitar players that go under appreciated until they're gone. I certainly think that Jimmy fills the hole left by Mikey as well as anyone can. But, to my ears, Mikey will never be replaced and Panic will never be the band they were when Mikey was on stage with them. I will likely look forward to Panic shows as long as the band keeps doing them but I will also continue to play my copies of the Mikey-era shows and remember fondly how great the band was then. They're still a great band but just not the same. RIP Mikey.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:32 AM
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I think some people on this site are getting upset because Panic is blowing the Allman's off the stage during this tour.



HAAA! I couldn't disagree with you more. Panic bores me to tears. I love Jimmy Herring's playing, but otherwise, WP is a total snoozefest for me.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:39 AM
I have never in my life heard a WSP song or the band what kind of music do they play. Blues based or ????? i am serious i have heard Jimmy Herring play with the brothers and i love his playing but that is it... thanks

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:55 AM
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I have never in my life heard a WSP song or the band what kind of music do they play. Blues based or ????? i am serious i have heard Jimmy Herring play with the brothers and i love his playing but that is it... thanks


Hard to label - they have their own sound. Definitely not anything like the Allman Brothers (although they drop in a blues tune from time to time) and definitely not like the Grateful Dead. They are like those bands in the respect that they are more of a live performance band, rather than a studio band. They do quite a few covers by a wide range of artists - Van Morrison, JJ Cale, Pink Floyd, Neil Young, Buffalo Springfield, War, Dr. John, The Guess Who.... There's also definitely a little of what I would describe as a New Orleans "influence" thanks to JoJo Herman's keyboards. Recommended studio albums would include Ain't Life Grand, Everyday and Bombs & Butterflies. Recommended live album would be Light Fuse Get Away.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:59 AM
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I think you'd describe it as kind of cross between bluegrass & the Grateful Dead. I'm not a huge Panic fan so maybe that's an unfair analogy...


I don't know about unfair - just totally misleading. Sounds like, in addition to Panic, you haven't listened to much bluegrass or Grateful Dead either.

Like the Dead and licorice, they are a cultivated taste. But if you invest the time to listen you will reap great rewards.

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:08 AM
No, he is not "too good" for WP. I think he brings Panic up a notch or two. I love any thing Jimmy does. We have seen him live many times. Many times we stood so close in smaller venues with our jaws dropped in awe of his playing. We have never met him, but he seems like a very easy going nice person. Not one that would get caught up thinking about if he is good or bad for the band. He is one guitarist I do not get tired of watching or listening too. He's a class act and an extremely talented unselfish musician.
 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:14 AM
I saw Jimmy and Oteil earlier here at a small bar and it was a great show. I think he fits in fine with WSP, however I strongly disagree with the opinion that they are blowing the ABB off the stage each night.
 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:41 AM
Yeah, I enjoyed Panic. Watched 'em with an open mind - can't say that they came anywhere close to blowing the ABB off the stage.

Soundwise - to my ears they approach the Dead, but with a tinge of REM. I am the only one that thinks the latter, so feel free to disagree.

Not a blues band by any stretch. They have a very loyal fan-base and they treat them accordingly.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:45 AM
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HAAA! I couldn't disagree with you more. Panic bores me to tears. I love Jimmy Herring's playing, but otherwise, WP is a total snoozefest for me.


i love both the allman brothers and widespread panic, and at the show in birmingham saturday night i felt kind of bad for panic having to try and follow the set the bros played

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:58 AM
I thought both bands together was the best entertainment value I've gotten in quite some time. I'd love the opportunity to see them together again - only, next time, let's do three nites.

I'm listening to the download of Panic's Sat. nite set right now - just superb. And without the "distractions" of the concert audience.

I only wish I was able to download the Allman Bros. sets but who knows when their sets will be available - the latest Allman show you can download is from September 6. Whoever is in charge of the Allman downloads needs a kick in the ass. Maybe they should let Warren's guys handle it since Mule seems to have their downloads managed well.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 12:00 PM
I liken Jimmy Herring with Panic to Steve Morse with Deep Purple.

Both incredibly gifted guitarists, with bands that perhaps only utilize a portion of their skill. I like Panic somewhat and I like Deep Purple a lot. I like each of their guitarists better in other settings though.

I think both raise the level of perfomance of their respective bands and they both seem to like being in that larger band setting with an established following, as opposed to logging miles with smaller solo outfits. I'm sure the pay is much better in the larger bands too. Socking some of that dough away may afford them greater future freedoms in solo settings down the road.

Look at Derek with Clapton, (& to a lesser degree with the ABB). He as much as stated he rolled a lot of green on that tour that allowed him to build his home studio. That in turn will buy him more artistic freedom going forward.

Jimmy and Steve (& obviously Derek) are all still young-ish men, whos careers will undoubtedly go well beyond Panic, DP and the Allmans.

I think they hone different aspects of their skill in these diverse settings as well, which can only help to enrich their future playing and perhaps writing.

 

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