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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 05:59 AM
Just curious how people feel about it. I have mixed emotions. I still want to hear the songs but I am still torn about them playing them without Dickey. I guess the instrumentals are OK. What are your thoughts?

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 06:20 AM
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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 06:28 AM
I do find it surprising that some of em are still in the rotation (REVIVAL, JESSICA, ELIZABETH REED) while others haven't been played since his hasty departure back in May of '00 (SEVEN TURNS, RAMBLIN MAN).

BLUE SKY is also a gonner but broken out once in a blue moon in order to appease the audience.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 06:48 AM
The ABB can do any songs they want I feel though that they should start placing other songs in the set list that they have not played in a long time.I wouldn't mind if egypt<inst illness,Orpheo were placed on rotaing nights.I think Egypt has the potential to become a classic .
 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 08:40 AM
It's a hard question.

I think the consensus of opinion would be "I'd like to see them play all recent stuff, except for my favorites. "

I wouldn't be hurt if they didn't do "Jessica", "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed", "South Bound"...or any of the other songs Dickey wrote, mostly because Dickey's still doing them.

It also wouldn't bother me if Dickey dropped alot of the Allman Brothers Band songs from his shows that he didn't write.

I would like to think that it's a sign of respect (although I'm probably wrong) that the Allman Brothers Band don't perform songs where Dickey was always the primary vocalist.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 08:47 AM
Just curious - what Allman Brothers songs have you heard Dickey play that he didn't write? I've never heard him play any that he didn't write. He plays Statesboro Blues and One Way Out, Come On In My Kitchen, but none of these are Allman Bros. songs.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 08:53 AM
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It's a hard question.

I think the consensus of opinion would be "I'd like to see them play all recent stuff, except for my favorites. "

I wouldn't be hurt if they didn't do "Jessica", "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed", "South Bound"...or any of the other songs Dickey wrote, mostly because Dickey's still doing them.

It also wouldn't bother me if Dickey dropped alot of the Allman Brothers Band songs from his shows that he didn't write.

I would like to think that it's a sign of respect (although I'm probably wrong) that the Allman Brothers Band don't perform songs where Dickey was always the primary vocalist.


I don't think it has anything to do with respect but I can't offer a better explanation as to why they play some Dickey Betts songs and not others. I know Butch Trucks has referred to some of Dickey's songs in a derogatory manner as he views them as country songs. (I can't quote Butch here but I think this is pretty common knowledge.) So I guess members of the ABB don't like some of Dickey's tunes and that could be a reason. But this is really just a guess on my part. There are plenty of songs from "Hittin' the Note" that they never play either.

I will say that Dickey shouldn't feel he can't play Gregg songs and the ABB shouldn't feel they can't play Dickey songs. Dickey hasn't been a member of the band since 2000. Its time to move on. If the ABB play "Blue Sky", the world will not stop spinning on its axis. I think fans spend more time thinking about this stuff than the musicians do. Anyway, my attitude is play what you want.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 09:09 AM
In a word, YES!
 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 09:10 AM
"Allman Brothers songs" are "Allman Brothers songs". Both Gregg w/ the ABB and Dickey with Great Southern should be able to play 'em all...and I wish they would.
Music is there to be played, shared, and loved by all.
I think Duane would have played 'em.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 09:12 AM
Right on Bro! More tunes the better!

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 09:32 AM
This argument never fails to mystify me.

Does the fact that Bob Dylan wrote "All Along The Watchtower" mean that the Hendrix version is crap?

I have a hard time believing that Dickey walked into the studio with a tape, pressed play and "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" came pouring out of the speakers, with organ swells, drum parts and the bass line in their completed form. The way folks go on about this I'm expecting someone to say he one-man-banded it.

All just one opinion, though.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 09:56 AM
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This argument never fails to mystify me.

Does the fact that Bob Dylan wrote "All Along The Watchtower" mean that the Hendrix version is crap?

I have a hard time believing that Dickey walked into the studio with a tape, pressed play and "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" came pouring out of the speakers, with organ swells, drum parts and the bass line in their completed form. The way folks go on about this I'm expecting someone to say he one-man-banded it.

All just one opinion, though.


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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:02 AM
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It's a hard question.

I think the consensus of opinion would be "I'd like to see them play all recent stuff, except for my favorites. "

I wouldn't be hurt if they didn't do "Jessica", "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed", "South Bound"...or any of the other songs Dickey wrote, mostly because Dickey's still doing them.

It also wouldn't bother me if Dickey dropped alot of the Allman Brothers Band songs from his shows that he didn't write.

I would like to think that it's a sign of respect (although I'm probably wrong) that the Allman Brothers Band don't perform songs where Dickey was always the primary vocalist.


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If Dickey dropped alot of the Allman Brothers Band songs... hmmmm...

I have been to alot of DBGS shows... and I have never heard.. Melissa, Whipping Post, Win, lose or draw, I'm no angel... Ain't wasting time no more, Black hearted woman, or Midnight Rider....
I have been to both shows since the split... and I have heard equal songs that the ABB didn't write but made famous in their style...

Silly ...

That was a strange statement..

I like what Brent SPDB said...

"Allman Brothers songs" are "Allman Brothers songs". Both Gregg w/ the ABB and Dickey with Great Southern should be able to play 'em all...and I wish they would.
Music is there to be played, shared, and loved by all.
I think Duane would have played 'em.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:19 AM
imo no. they don't want dickey there so drop his tunes
 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:19 AM
Bhawk makes some excellent points. Authorship credit means that person came up with the original idea for the tune. It does not mean that they came up with every idea for every instrument played on the tune. Therefore an Allman Brothers song is an Allman Brothers song, and they should be allowed to play them even if authored by Dickey. Some just aren't gonna work quite as well, obviously Rambin' Man (which they NEVER do) or Blue Sky (which they ALMOST never do).

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:20 AM
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I do find it surprising that some of em are still in the rotation (REVIVAL, JESSICA, ELIZABETH REED) while others haven't been played since his hasty departure back in May of '00 (SEVEN TURNS, RAMBLIN MAN).

BLUE SKY is also a gonner but broken out once in a blue moon in order to appease the audience.


Well obviously they don't do the songs he sang lead on. All others are ok.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:20 AM
Love Warren's solo on this version of Blue Sky.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 10:22 AM
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Bhawk makes some excellent points. Authorship credit means that person came up with the original idea for the tune. It does not mean that they came up with every idea for every instrument played on the tune. Therefore an Allman Brothers song is an Allman Brothers song, and they should be allowed to play them even if authored by Dickey. Some just aren't gonna work quite as well, obviously Rambin' Man (which they NEVER do) or Blue Sky (which they ALMOST never do).


in that case no one really writes a song. you think every rolling stones tunes mick and keith told charlie the drum part or bill the bass part.

 

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Bhawk makes some excellent points. Authorship credit means that person came up with the original idea for the tune. It does not mean that they came up with every idea for every instrument played on the tune. Therefore an Allman Brothers song is an Allman Brothers song, and they should be allowed to play them even if authored by Dickey. Some just aren't gonna work quite as well, obviously Rambin' Man (which they NEVER do) or Blue Sky (which they ALMOST never do).


in that case no one really writes a song. you think every rolling stones tunes mick and keith told charlie the drum part or bill the bass part.


Probably with the ABB all songs should have a group credit. But then there would be no incentive for the writers to create anything. How would you reward the person who sat down and came up with the original melody or lyrics? With Gregg's songs he had 3 roles. He wrote the song, played keyboards and sang. So should he get 3 credits and the rest of the band one each? This kind of system would create a lot of bickering and likely little new writing.

Paul and John did not write the guitar parts Duane played on Hey Jude but they still got full writer's credit. But Duane did create new guitar parts so shouldn't he get paid a writing credit?

There seems to be some functional advantage in recognizing and rewarding the writer and thatís why the system is the way it is.

 

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Bhawk makes some excellent points. Authorship credit means that person came up with the original idea for the tune. It does not mean that they came up with every idea for every instrument played on the tune. Therefore an Allman Brothers song is an Allman Brothers song, and they should be allowed to play them even if authored by Dickey. Some just aren't gonna work quite as well, obviously Rambin' Man (which they NEVER do) or Blue Sky (which they ALMOST never do).


in that case no one really writes a song. you think every rolling stones tunes mick and keith told charlie the drum part or bill the bass part.


Probably with the ABB all songs should have a group credit. But then there would be no incentive for the writers to create anything. How would you reward the person who sat down and came up with the original melody or lyrics? With Gregg's songs he had 3 roles. He wrote the song, played keyboards and sang. So should he get 3 credits and the rest of the band one each? This kind of system would create a lot of bickering and likely little new writing.

Paul and John did not write the guitar parts Duane played on Hey Jude but they still got full writer's credit. But Duane did create new guitar parts so shouldn't he get paid a writing credit?

There seems to be some functional advantage in recognizing and rewarding the writer and thatís why the system is the way it is.


Any band or musician should be able to play the music they want.


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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:14 AM
As far as I am concerned both The ABB's and Dickey Betts can play whatever the hell they want to play. Why should we worry about it or question it? Shouldn't we just celebrate them both for being out their playing?
 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:17 AM
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As far as I am concerned both The ABB's and Dickey Betts can play whatever the hell they want to play. Why should we worry about it or question it? Shouldn't we just celebrate them both for being out their playing?


I like your way of thinking.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:22 AM
Allman Brothers should do Allman Brothers songs regardless of who wrote them...

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:22 AM
Allman Brothers should do Allman Brothers songs regardless of who wrote them...

 

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  posted on 10/12/2009 at 11:26 AM
Sure, makes more sense than doing Led Zepplin tunes .

[Edited on 10/12/2009 by Haisija]

 

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