Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread >Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Drums/Bass - Mountain Jam or Liz Reed?

Extreme Peach





Posts: 1037
(1037 all sites)
Registered: 10/17/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/7/2003 at 10:25 AM
One of the things that's struck me, coming as a relative newbie to modern ABB tapes, is how the band seemed to have moved the Drums/Bass Solo interludes around in the set - they mostly seem to be appearing in Liz Reed and Instrumental Illness nowadays (with both songs clocking in at over 30 mins, at times)

Of the few MJ's I have heard by the current band, none fit what you would call "the classic structure" - ie. theme>guitar solo #1>organ solo>guitar solo #2>drums>bass solo>full band jam>theme.

What do you folks make of this - where do you prefer drums/bass to go? Is Mountain Jam still Mountain Jam, even without these elements? Have they played the "full" MJ & I've missed it? Is it nearly time to finish work & go home??? etc. etc.


 
E-Mail User Visit User's Homepage
Replies:

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5027
(5044 all sites)
Registered: 1/27/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/7/2003 at 11:13 AM
I would say Paul, they are "all" considered Mountain Jams, with or without drums or with whatever structure the band happens to decide on that night. If they play The Mtn Jam theme and Jam for 20 minutes or more - its a Mtn Jam! When you think about it...what is Mtn Jam really?...It is a vehicle for extended band improvisations...right? Think Grateful Dead and Dark Star...every Dark Star, especially the earlier ones were all very different...there was a theme and 2 short verses surrounded by great jams, improvs and space. I love to hear different Mtn Jams...some traditional, some with Afro Blue thrown in or some with Blue Sky teases. Some with drums, some without.

As far as the other tunes you've mentioned...If they play Liz Reed let's say-- I would prefer it slightly earlier in the set so there are a couple of songs that follow it in the setlist. At this years Greek LA show they followed Liz Reed with "Into The Mystic", Dreams "AND" Whipping Post w/ a Layla encore! To me thats... perfection! That personally what I like. Give us a couple after the extened Jam of the night!


peace

 
E-Mail User

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 1907
(1909 all sites)
Registered: 3/16/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/7/2003 at 11:18 AM
I like them to move it around as much as possible. Expect the unexpected!
 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2115
(2184 all sites)
Registered: 12/9/2001
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/7/2003 at 11:29 AM
I'd like for them to give it a shot during "True Gravity" or "Kind of Bird" ....or hell, just stretch out the drum break in "One Way Out" and try it there and see what happens. Just move it around some, and continue to take chances like they did this year. And I'd love to hear a return of "High Falls." They've done it a few times (stellar times) since Warren's return.

I think it'd also be cool if they let Oteil do a bass solo right after the guitars but before the drums, and then pick up whatever song's theme coming out of the drum solo. That would give Oteil more time to play off of the drummers, for a change of pace or whatever.

I also don't like drums/bass during "Instrumental Illness." "Illness" is a cool tune, but I don't think it's a strong enough written tune to sustain more than a 10-15 minute rendition. Sorta like "Hot'Lanta" in that way -- again, great tune, just not strong enough for 30-45 minutes.

 

____________________



 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20685
(20770 all sites)
Registered: 11/26/2001
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/7/2003 at 01:45 PM
Depends on the night. I've heard several half-hour Mountain Jams with the long drum and bass break. I do think it works better there than in Liz Reed because of the structure of the songs. When the band comes back from a drum solo to do the end of Liz, it's only about 30 seconds of the song, whereas there's a pretty good deal of Mountain Jam left after the break. But it's not a big deal to me, I just like to be surprised.

 

____________________
http://www.tylersmusicroom.org

 
E-Mail User

Peach Master



Karma:
Posts: 916
(955 all sites)
Registered: 9/17/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 10/7/2003 at 05:26 PM
if youve gotta have a drums/bass, keep it in Mountain Jam...that way, they can do more than one instrumental jam during a show, and not have to have them both go 30 minutes. I like Instrumental Illness without drums....Liz Reed without drums is nice too....shit, it doesn't even have to be in the middle of a song, or even back to back....do drums at the end of a song as its own thing, like Matt Abts does more often than not...and do bass in the middle, or after a song...shit, it'd make for a cool segue into Whipping Post, or Instrumental Illness, and some other tunes, too.

 

____________________
It's not that I lack motivation...its that I just don't care. - Peter Gibbons, Office Space

 
 


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software


Privacy | Terms of Service
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com