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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 03:34 PM
Read the thread on God and Guns or whatever, there is stuff that gets brought up all the time about the current band vs the old band and current members and whether they are "members" of the original band, etc. If we're going to have a knockdown dragout over it lets do it here. I'll start with some thoughts:

1. Ricky Medlocke is not an original member of the band recognized as Lynyrd Skynryd. Yes the guy played on some demo tapes that were recorded in Muscle Shoals in the early 70's but my guess is the only reason he was around was because Bob Burns had freaked out again and was doing only who know what until he returned for the umpteenth time to take over his spot as drummer. Did a song or two wind up on albums released between 73-77? Yep but as far as I know Medlocke was not ever considered a member of the band, at least up until Leon dropped dead and then all of a sudden everyone remembered what a vital part of the original lineup he was. Another point on this one, if Gregg quits the ABB can Reese Winans (sp?)be brought in to replace him since he did jam with the original band before Gregg arrived on the scene. The really sad part is there are cover/tribute bands that from time to time have more original members than the actual Skynyrd band.

2. The current band is playing with Allen Collins blessing. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is Allen was deadset against allowing the group to tour/record post tribute tour as Lynyrd Skynyrd. I was under the impression the reason it took 3 plus years to record an album and the subsequent tour for the 1991 album was because Allen wouldn't agree and they weren't able to do anything under the Skynyrd name until he dropped dead. Now Allen's father or whomever was in control of his estate following his death may have ultimately given their ok along w/ the understanding a big fat check would show up once a month but I have always heard Allen was not happy at them trying to continue on with the Skynyrd name following the 87-88 time frame.

3. They are making music. Well, yeah they are making music, I can too but without the name behind it, nobody will want to hear it. My guess is w/o the Skynyrd name nobody would be buying the crap they churn out every year either. To be exact I'd love to test a theory, find me a big tall skinny kid that can play guitar, put him in a white outfit with wild stringy hair, give him the stage name Alan Kollins and let him make an album as Lynyrd Skynyrd and tour and see if he doesn't do just as well as the current bunch passing themselves off.

Ok now that I have lit the fuse, it's time to step back and let the war begin...this should be a fun one and not for the faint of heart!!! Let's hear it from both sides. Now begin!

 
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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 03:46 PM
actually the most recent 2 van zant albums are more popular than anything lynyrd skynyrd has done lately so if this was truely about money why is johnny van zant still in skynyrd?
 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 03:48 PM
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actually the most recent 2 van zant albums are more popular than anything lynyrd skynyrd has done lately so if this was truely about money why is johnny van zant still in skynyrd?


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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 03:51 PM
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actually the most recent 2 van zant albums are more popular than anything lynyrd skynyrd has done lately so if this was truely about money why is johnny van zant still in skynyrd?


Don't fool yourself, it's always about $$$


i think the 2 van zant albums released in the last few years are gold. the "new" lynyrd skynyrd has never had a gold studio album. to rossington its about the money but obviously johnny van zant could find more success at least from album sales elsewhere

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 03:52 PM
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actually the most recent 2 van zant albums are more popular than anything lynyrd skynyrd has done lately so if this was truely about money why is johnny van zant still in skynyrd?
You make the money touring thats why. and he makes a hell of alot more touring as skynyrd, than as van zant.

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 03:56 PM
this should be in the whipping post.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:01 PM
here is some gas on the fire. this is a " skynyrd tribute band" that has more members of Ronnie Van Zants' 70s band than the current skynyrd has. and they were more true to the classic arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sILQ7eUHpkY
 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:06 PM
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here is some gas on the fire. this is a " skynyrd tribute band" that has more members of Ronnie Van Zants' 70s band than the current skynyrd has. and they were more true to the classic arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sILQ7eUHpkY


That is priceless!...Why aren't these two still in "Skynyrd"?

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:07 PM
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here is some gas on the fire. this is a " skynyrd tribute band" that has more members of Ronnie Van Zants' 70s band than the current skynyrd has. and they were more true to the classic arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sILQ7eUHpkY


can't watch that clip right now but who is playing in it? if its artimus pyle he quit lynyrd skynyrd. can keith richards and charlie watts quit and then make a new stones without jagger? would you say thats more of the stones than any version mick was calling the stones?

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:14 PM
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here is some gas on the fire. this is a " skynyrd tribute band" that has more members of Ronnie Van Zants' 70s band than the current skynyrd has. and they were more true to the classic arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sILQ7eUHpkY


can't watch that clip right now but who is playing in it? if its artimus pyle he quit lynyrd skynyrd. can keith richards and charlie watts quit and then make a new stones without jagger? would you say thats more of the stones than any version mick was calling the stones?

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You have your facts wrong, Pyle was fired in 1991. and your analogy is retarded.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:18 PM
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here is some gas on the fire. this is a " skynyrd tribute band" that has more members of Ronnie Van Zants' 70s band than the current skynyrd has. and they were more true to the classic arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sILQ7eUHpkY


can't watch that clip right now but who is playing in it? if its artimus pyle he quit lynyrd skynyrd. can keith richards and charlie watts quit and then make a new stones without jagger? would you say thats more of the stones than any version mick was calling the stones?

[Edited on 10/1/2009 by matt05]
You have your facts wrong, Pyle was fired in 1991. and your analogy is retarded.



who else is in the clip though has to be at least 1 other skynyrd member. is it ed king? my analogy is not retarded. for whatever reason pyle is not in the band anymore which at the time he left skynyrd still had 4 members from the 70's. whatever pyle is doing now isn't relevant to being able to be called skynyrd

[Edited on 10/1/2009 by matt05]

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:18 PM
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2. The current band is playing with Allen Collins blessing. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is Allen was deadset against allowing the group to tour/record post tribute tour as Lynyrd Skynyrd. I was under the impression the reason it took 3 plus years to record an album and the subsequent tour for the 1991 album was because Allen wouldn't agree and they weren't able to do anything under the Skynyrd name until he dropped dead.
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????Not so sure about that. You may be right, but when they did the Volunteer Jam in '87 and poor Allen was in a wheel chair and said a few words to the crowd, I did not get the impression by what he said that he was "dead set" against what his brothers were doing. Once again, you may be right. ??????

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3. They are making music. Well, yeah they are making music, I can too but without the name behind it, nobody will want to hear it.
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Your opinion, and I really don't think we will ever find out if you are right.

Ok, Ricky M. is not and has never been considered an original member of LS. So what.

Once again, my point which was made on the other thread is that Gary can get whoever he wants to play with him and call it LS. If something were to happen to Butch and Jaimoe, I'm sure Gregg(if he desired) could get two drummers and call the band the abb. He might have to continue to pay Dickey and whoever else, but he could still probably call the band the abb. No, I'm not 100% sure about that, but hell.......it's got his name.

You certainly don't have to like it or pay to see them. You can say the same thing that BigV said, "This is not Lynyrd Skynyrd. Plain and simple." I disagree with BigV(of course), and say that Gary R. can call the band whatever he wants to call the band as the last original member.

It's not like this is the only band that continues to do this. Didn't Axl Rose get rid of everyone in the band and doesn't he still call the band Guns N' Roses. No I don't like that band, for the record. Canned Heat is still doing it. Rare Earth is still doing it. Wonder how many more are still doing too.

Once again, how many originals do you need to have to keep the name and tour. Of course it sounds different. The players are different. Does the original ABB sound like the version with Chuck L.? Does the Chuck L. version sound like the Toler Version? Does the Toler version sound like the Dickey Warren? Dickey Jack? Dickey Derek? Current? No, they all sound different and we all have our favorites, but they were all called the Allman Brothers Band.

You many have a favorite.........hell we all do, but the band that Gary, Johnny, and Rickey play in are Lynyrd Skynryd. They may not be as good as the original, but they are still Lynyrd Skynryd.

I'm betting it holds up in a court of law too. Not court of public opinion or court of BigV law, but a real court of law. Probably has to have Ronnie's wife's approval too, but none the less............. it is what it is.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:20 PM
The band as it currently exists evolved from the reunited Tribute tour band. It had surviving members of the band, but not all original members. Artimus Pyle was not original. Ed King really isn't even an original member, although he was on the first album. These guys got together, had some fun playing music and bringing Skynyrd music to people who did not see the original band. They really didn't change the sound or attitude of the band. they didn't start doing pop music or "alternative" or grunge. They played classic style Skynyrd music, rooted in blues and riff rock, with some country thrown in and a whole lot of southern attitude. As fans, we mythologize bands and freeze them in time as we perceive them.

To some people, the ABB died on the same day as Duane. For some it died the first time Mike Lawler whipped out the keytar, and for some it died when Dickey got the famous fax. We all have a special link to memories relating to bands and the music, although we had no part in creating it, is personal to us and we can take it to heart if we feel it is being disrepected.

That doesn't mean it is being disrespected.

The current lineup of Lynyrd Skynyrd may be missing a lot of "classic 70's" members, but most of survivors participated at some point and have left for a variety of reasons much like other members came and went in the 70's. Since we weren't involved, we really don't know why some left and some did not so speculation is pointless. People say things in the press because they are hurt. Also, editors want stories to be more interesting to the readers and consumers love controversy. You can't believe everything you read. It's most likely not the full story - and yes, I'm referring to the Ed King, Artimus Pyle, and even Dickey Betts departures from their respective bands.

They are proud of their legacy and still want to make music as a unit and call it Lynyrd Skynyrd. Yes Ronnie was an exceptionally perceptive writer and Allen Collins was skilled guitar player, but a band should be larger than the sum of its parts. That doesn't mean people are expendable or replaceable but that a band can be adaptable when there is loss. They like the music they made and are making and hopefully they play music not because of money but because of a fire inside that is undeniable; that which drives them to pick up their instruments and microphones and make music.

That being said, there should be a limit. There should be at least one original member left at the end of the day. That doesn't mean a member of a defunct band can legitimately create a new band and call it by his old band's name, but if the band as a whole has been working the whole time and it just works out that along the way people died or left then I think it's ok. If Rossington dies, I think they should quit since he's all that's left of originals. I'd still like to hear Johnny sing the old Skynyrd tunes though. He's no match lyrically for Ronnie, but he sings the hell out of those songs and I think he likes to know he's preserving his brother's legacy every time he does. Here we are in 2009 talking about a band that could have been all but a foot note if the tribute tour never happened.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:21 PM
This whole argument will never be resolved nor "won."

It is like the thread on what is the best beer....there are posts saying Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is the best AND the worst.

Why can't folks just enjoy music?

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:23 PM
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The band as it currently exists evolved from the reunited Tribute tour band. It had surviving members of the band, but not all original members. Artimus Pyle was not original. Ed King really isn't even an original member, although he was on the first album. These guys got together, had some fun playing music and bringing Skynyrd music to people who did not see the original band. They really didn't change the sound or attitude of the band. they didn't start doing pop music or "alternative" or grunge. They played classic style Skynyrd music, rooted in blues and riff rock, with some country thrown in and a whole lot of southern attitude. As fans, we mythologize bands and freeze them in time as we perceive them.

To some people, the ABB died on the same day as Duane. For some it died the first time Mike Lawler whipped out the keytar, and for some it died when Dickey got the famous fax. We all have a special link to memories relating to bands and the music, although we had no part in creating it, is personal to us and we can take it to heart if we feel it is being disrepected.

That doesn't mean it is being disrespected.




You make an excellent point, my friend.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:26 PM
On one hand , I don't blame Rossington for insisting on touring and making albums under the Lynyrd Skynyrd name . I'm sure the guy has bills just like the rest of us . Not only that , I know he's got two daughters to see about ( I remember they were little girls from the '87 tour video and I guess are now in their mid to late 20's , so he may have grandchildren too . ) Money would have to be the reason for forging on with Skynyrd . Honestly , if I were in his shoes , I'd most likely do the same .

On the other hand , I really like Skynyrd in it's pure form . I gave him a pass on using the name , but at the very least , he should stop making a mockery of the efforts of his bandmates who have passed on , and lay off the cliche laden lyrics that every one of their newer songs are inundated with . Good Lovin' and all the other forgettable crap like it are an insult to say the least . If Allen Collins didn't want them to do the albums in the early 90's , I'm sure he'd be livid with the idea of them doing shows with bulls**t acts like Montgomery Gentry and Kid Rock .

For those of you who pat Kid Rock on the back , and say that he's helping give Skynyrd exposure to a younger crowd , I beg to differ . It's the inverse . Quality music stands the test of time , and finds it's way to the ears of listeners regardless of what generation they may belong to . Kid Rock is smart enough to know that being on the bill with Skynyrd means a bigger payday for him . Most in the crowd may not know the real members of Skynyrd aren't on the stage playing for them , but they know the music , and buy tickets to hear it .

By all means , support Skynyrd by going out an buying one of their fantastic records today ... just nothing past '77 . Gary will still get paid , and you won't waste your money .

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:31 PM
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By all means , support Skynyrd by going out an buying one of their fantastic records today... just nothing past '77. Gary will still get paid , and you won't waste your money.


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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 05:50 PM
" If we're going to have a knockdown dragout over it lets do it here. :.................





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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 06:52 PM
deano has spoken.

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 07:14 PM
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here is some gas on the fire. this is a " skynyrd tribute band" that has more members of Ronnie Van Zants' 70s band than the current skynyrd has. and they were more true to the classic arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sILQ7eUHpkY



I was at this show in Nashville...........

Still looking for a copy of the whole filming tho..... It was filmed for a dvd release, but got caned for some reason........

I need to transfer my shots from film to digital from that night ...... some nice ones standing on a chair in front of Ed......


Plus met all of them , with pics........ Priceless........

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 07:54 PM
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I thought so....

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 08:30 PM
So let me see........ Founder and most valued member died tragically, other members have passed away or been fired. Only one or two original members remain and their new work does not stand up to older classics making some believe they are a shell of the original line-up. And they seem to tour because its the way to make the most money so they do this and release new material every 5 to 10 years. Huh -----sounds like another band I am very fond of.
 

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You are obviously talking about the ABB. And yes, there is some irony in ABB fans making these arguments for sure, but BIG differences too.

There are 3 originals in the ABB, half the founders. The other 4 guys have a collective 58 years in the band. Two of them widely considered as some of the best guitarists in the world and would surely not be without their work in this band. Yes, the ABB concerts focus on older material, but not exclusively, and not the same material every night out. Plenty of curveballs thrown.

I will say I do dig a few of the new "Skynyrd" tunes.

 

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here is some gas on the fire. this is a " skynyrd tribute band" that has more members of Ronnie Van Zants' 70s band than the current skynyrd has. and they were more true to the classic arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sILQ7eUHpkY


can't watch that clip right now but who is playing in it? if its artimus pyle he quit lynyrd skynyrd. can keith richards and charlie watts quit and then make a new stones without jagger? would you say thats more of the stones than any version mick was calling the stones?

[Edited on 10/1/2009 by matt05]
You have your facts wrong, Pyle was fired in 1991. and your analogy is retarded.



who else is in the clip though has to be at least 1 other skynyrd member. is it ed king? my analogy is not retarded. for whatever reason pyle is not in the band anymore which at the time he left skynyrd still had 4 members from the 70's. whatever pyle is doing now isn't relevant to being able to be called skynyrd

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who is calling it skynyrd??? I said it was a tribute band that played the songs better than rossington's "skynyrd" and it happened to have: Artimus Pyle, Ed King, Bob Burns,Leslie Hawkins, Jo Jo Billingsley in it. yeah, they weren't "Original Members" but "They" were chosen by Ronnie Van Zant to be in his band, and were in the band at the time of its greatest success and creative period. they helped make the band LEGENDS.

 

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here is some gas on the fire. this is a " skynyrd tribute band" that has more members of Ronnie Van Zants' 70s band than the current skynyrd has. and they were more true to the classic arrangements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sILQ7eUHpkY


can't watch that clip right now but who is playing in it? if its artimus pyle he quit lynyrd skynyrd. can keith richards and charlie watts quit and then make a new stones without jagger? would you say thats more of the stones than any version mick was calling the stones?

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You have your facts wrong, Pyle was fired in 1991. and your analogy is retarded.



who else is in the clip though has to be at least 1 other skynyrd member. is it ed king? my analogy is not retarded. for whatever reason pyle is not in the band anymore which at the time he left skynyrd still had 4 members from the 70's. whatever pyle is doing now isn't relevant to being able to be called skynyrd

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who is calling it skynyrd??? I said it was a tribute band that played the songs better than rossington's "skynyrd" and it happened to have: Artimus Pyle, Ed King, Bob Burns,Leslie Hawkins, Jo Jo Billingsley in it. yeah, they weren't "Original Members" but "They" were chosen by Ronnie Van Zant to be in his band, and were in the band at the time of its greatest success and creative period. they helped make the band LEGENDS.



The Band was called " The Saturday Night Special Band "..... It started as a cover band & they talked Arti into playing with them & it snowballed into the show in Nashville with Ed and Leslie [ who were the last in ] Arti & Jo Jo had done a few shows already..... Which there was a dvd release of.....
Bob Burns was not part of this......

 

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