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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 01:14 PM
Haven't seen much comment on the Capitol box sets.

I have the first one, never got around to the second.

I like the new remasters that are now. Sound much better.
But I like the Capitol discs that have both the "fake" stereo and mono
on the same disc.

Any opinions on the Capitol box sets?

 

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 01:39 PM
I grew up listening to the American LPs, not the British, so I am actually still more familiar with the song sequences of MEET THE BEATLES, SECOND ALBUM, SOMETHING NEW, EARLY BEATLES, etc.

I was actually very happy when the Capitol Years box sets came out so I could listen to my cherished US versions on CD. Yes you can criticize the American releases forever, but I still like them, no matter how much butchering took place. I loudly proclaim: I LOVE THE AMERICAN BEATLES ALBUMS!! HOORAY FOR THE CAPITOL YEARS BOX SETS!!

By the way I'm still waiting for the third volume which should contain REVOLVER, HARD DAYS NIGHT (though it was originally released in America on UA), YESTERDAY AND TODAY and HEY JUDE.

[Edited on 9/30/2009 by BarrySmith]

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 07:23 AM
I listen to my Capital Years discs often. I too grew up listening to the American ( butchered ) Albums and still love the track sequences just as much as the British . Please bring on the third set Capital !

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 07:28 AM
I completely dismiss the American versions.
To me, they dont exist

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 08:28 AM
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I completely dismiss the American versions.
To me, they dont exist


This is another reason why the new remasters are so good. Not only do they sound fabulous they mirror the British releases exactly as the Betles intended them to be, not what Capitol did to bastardize the US releases.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 08:58 AM
I bought the Mono box set. It has exceeded my expectations.
 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 04:21 PM
I prefer the British versions mainly because that is how they intended them to be heard.
If I had my way, they would have put the singles at the end of the appropriate albumthat came out at the time, so you could listen to I Want to Hold Your Hand and This Boy at the same time as With the Beatles, instead of Past Masters 1. This is more of an issue, imo, with the 63 - 65 stuff because it was changing so rapidly.
The American versions have some of the singles, but less songs, and, in the case of Help, a lot of stuff I don't want to listen to.
I don't thnk that Hard Days Night was ever released on a Capital album (exept the red one - it was on the movie soundtrack by UA)

 

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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 06:14 PM
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I don't thnk that Hard Days Night was ever released on a Capital album (exept the red one - it was on the movie soundtrack by UA)



Capitol Records did actually gain the rights from UA and eventually pressed LPs with their own label. But that was years after the fact, probably around 1976 or 1977. The vinyl contained the purple Capitol label (I used to own a copy). Of course it went out of print real fast and never re-emerged on compact disc.

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  posted on 10/2/2009 at 10:35 AM
The capitol version of the UA "A Hard Day's Night" was actually 1979, although I believe the release was delayed until 1980.

The rumour is that Capitol Albums VOL 3 is not going to happen. And there was debate as to what it was going to include, it was going discussed as being any 4 of these albums: "Yesterday and Today", "Hey Jude", "Rarities", "The Beatles at the Hollywood Bowl", "A Hard Day's Night", "The Beatles Story", "Magical Mystery Tour".

I own the first 2 captiol boxes because I am pretty much a hardcore Beatles completest. I listen to the British versions of the album pretty much only though. The Capitol Albums have so many cool unique mixes I couldn't pass them up. And the mastering on those cd's is fantastic. So therefore I really do like the boxsets a lot, but I never listen to them as albums.

Just a sidenote, both the stereo & mono mixes of the new remasters sound INCREDIBLE. And though I've had all those albums in mono for a long time and in general have always preferred those mixes, it is INCREDIBLE how good those mono mixes sound, I've really been blown away.

I did grow with the American albums. I became a big Beatles fan when I was 4 and by the time I was 10 or 11 I had the British albums, so I kinda grew up with both.

The problem with the US albums to me is not so much the track listings as much as the times where they added unecessary reverb and such. (for example, the mono version of THE BEATLES SECOND ALBUM is pretty much straight mono mixes - except for the tracks from 'with the beatles' which are the stereo mixes collapsed to mono... but the stereo version of THE BEATLES SECOND ALBUM adds reverb to the entire album and not in a good way). Even later when Capitol was doing less of this kind of thing, they'd still sometimes change certain things... (i.e. listen to the mono mix of "What You're Doing" from Beatles For Sale, then listen to the mono mix of "What You're Doing" on Beatles VI, they are the exact same mix, but in mastering Capitol added some slight reverb). I remember hearing the 'clean' mix of "I Feel Fine" for the first time as a kid and though"WOW I HAD NO IDEA THAT SONG WAS THAT AMAZING!"

With The Capitol Albums and the mono & stereo remastered box sets, we have a very good amount of the various mixes released... But I'm bummed there is no CAPITOL VOL 3 yet, for YESTERDAY AND TODAY alone... which has a good amount of unique mixes in mono and stereo ... and in a nice change, sometimes my preferred mixes of songs:

I'M ONLY SLEEPING, AND YOUR BIRD CAN SING & DOCTOR ROBERT (all three songs have earlier different stereo mixes... I prefer the US stereo "I'm Only Sleeping", both "I'm Only Sleeping" & "Dr. Robert" have different earlier mono mixes from the UK mono mixes)

DAY TRIPPER & WE CAN WORK IT OUT (these stereo mixes are the original 1965 stereo mixes, the stereo mixes on the past masters, which have been were on the original cd & the remastered cds... not to mention BEATLES 1 & 1962-1966 are stereo mixes done in 1966 for the uk album A COLLECTION OF BEATLES OLDIES)

Other unique mixes off the top of my head that are not released on cd:

I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND (there is a different mix of this song with the vocals hard right, music -except the lead guitar- hard right and the lead guitar center, which is the same arrangement as the stereo "This Boy" mix and much more similar to all the other songs from this era. It is a rare mix that was only released on an australian single or ep. The stereo mix we all know has the vocals centered and the guitar hard right)

PENNY LANE (there is an early mono mix that slipped out on promo single in the US in 1967, the biggest difference is the horn part at the end. Then in 1980 capitol took a stereo mix and edited the trumpet ending on the end, creating yet another mix, neither of them have been officially released on cd)

STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER (the us stereo mix is slightly different than the uk stereo mix, again the US mix is an original 1967 mix, whereas I believe the UK mix was done in 1971)

I AM THE WALRUS (the us mono single mix is the same as uk mono mix, but it contains 2 extra bars in the middle which were edited out of the uk -and the us album- mono mix. Also the us stereo mix is slightly different than the uk stereo mix. Then in 1980 capitol took the uk stereo mix and edited in those extra mono bars. None of them are on cd)

AND I LOVE HER (there is a german stereo mix which has an 'extended' ending)

ALL MY LOVING (there is a mix on a german greatest hits lp which has ringo's 5-beat hi-hat count-in before the song starts... which isn't really a different mix, they just accidentally left the count-in on)

there are some more... but I have to get to work!

 

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  posted on 10/2/2009 at 01:44 PM
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I grew up listening to the American LPs, not the British, so I am actually still more familiar with the song sequences of MEET THE BEATLES, SECOND ALBUM, SOMETHING NEW, EARLY BEATLES, etc.

I was actually very happy when the Capitol Years box sets came out so I could listen to my cherished US versions on CD. Yes you can criticize the American releases forever, but I still like them, no matter how much butchering took place. I loudly proclaim: I LOVE THE AMERICAN BEATLES ALBUMS!! HOORAY FOR THE CAPITOL YEARS BOX SETS!!

[Edited on 9/30/2009 by BarrySmith]


Same here -- it's what was there at the time & everyone loved it & still does -- am partial to the Capitol versions all the way -- Yesterday & Today I really like too, it was great when they put all those singles -- Dr. Robert, And Your Bird Can Sing etc -- onto an album

 

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  posted on 10/2/2009 at 04:07 PM
as far as the new remasters, the stereo one are awesome. The early discs (Please Please Me, With the Beatles) still sound a little "fake". I've heard the monos of those and like them better. I read somewhere that they used a 2 track recorder for those albums, then switched to 4 track - I wonder if that is the difference.

A couple other things - from what I can remember, the vocals on the initial version of And I Love Her on Something New, Something New were single track (I'll check tonight) - they are double tracked on the stereo version of the "red album" and both remasters.
John's vocals on If I Fell and Tell Me Why are single tracked on the original US versions and the current mono, but doubled on the stereo - it actually sounds a bit like an error in the mix to me.

anyway, I love the new remasters. If nothing else, it gave me a good excuse to listen to the entire catalog in a brief period of time.

 
 


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