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  posted on 9/26/2009 at 07:30 PM
Well since I have received some good technical advice here in the past, why not ask for some more. I just moved to a new place that has a wood burning fireplace insert for heat (not the only heat source). I have used stand alone stoves before, but not an insert. I cleaned it out pretty well and it is race ready. Just curious, should there be a grate inside similar to a grate that would be in an open fireplace? I am only thinking in terms of wood burning efficiency. The stove I had you just started a fire in it however and just kept feeding it and it would never go out.
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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 03:22 PM
Come on......I know some of us live in the woods and rely on these for heat
 

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 03:27 PM
I would think so, just to let some air circulate under the fire & also to let some ash build up under the fire as well..

Dont think it will be as efficient as what you are used too..

 

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 04:06 PM
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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 04:13 PM
It also makes it easy to clean out the ashes , you can scoop them up from under the burning logs and put them on the sides to smolder out and then remove them the next day.

I grew up with a wood fire place insert that had a fan and ducts that would heat the whole 2000 square foot house. We would run the fan for the heat pump to circulate the heat through the house. Only bad thing is, after you stoke it for the night the room the fireplace is in gets warm, sometimes 80-85 degrees.

A guy I work with has a full basement, with the stove down stairs. He keeps the basement hot, and the heat rises and the floors are warm and toasty, and the heat pump only runs when it gets 20 degrees outside. Fire wood around here is just about free as long as you cut it and split it yourself. I can go make $100 everytime we get a good wind storm or ice storm, cleaning up the mess, and have all the fire wood I can ever use(mostly for camping). I have gas log fireplace, lol.

 

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 04:51 PM
Yes, there should be a grate.

But I wouldn't expect great heat efficiency. Most of them suck air out of the house, into the fireplace and up the chimney....you may get good heat directly in front of the thing, but the rest of your house will suffer.

But good for the "effect" of a fire.

It kills me, down here in Florida, most if not all new houses being built have one of these fireplace inserts.....and they are practically useless, not only for the air thing mentioned above, but it isn't exactly like living in the midwest or great white north......

I can't tell you how many years I cut and stacked firewood, only to eventually just burn it all outside while it rotted away....Florida homes really shouldn't have a fireplace.

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 05:08 PM
No grate if it is a air tight unit, we burn wood as out primary sourse and we do not use a grate are there fire bricks on the floor of the unit? if so just start a fire and the coals become the grate. I would check the chimney make sure it is not clogged or full of creasote.. the modern inserts do not use a grate like a open fireplace.

now if it is open in front so that in effect it is a fireplace insert not a stove insert then a grate will help it get air and burn better but they are not effecient..

 

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 05:16 PM
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No grate if it is a air tight unit, we burn wood as out primary sourse and we do not use a grate are there fire bricks on the floor of the unit? if so just start a fire and the coals become the grate. I would check the chimney make sure it is not clogged or full of creasote.. the modern inserts do not use a grate like a open fireplace.

now if it is open in front so that in effect it is a fireplace insert not a stove insert then a grate will help it get air and burn better but they are not effecient..


I agree here - no grate needed. We have an insert and you are supposed to burn right on the bricks. We use ours practicaly every night in the winter and have a sweep come in every year to give the insert and chimney a good cleaning.

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 06:18 PM
That is what I was unsure of - the insert has 2 doors that will lock tight and then it has 2 levers to allow whatever amouint of air in to regulate burning. With the grate in there it seems the fire is almost too high up inside. I have used it once so far just to test it out. I think my next fire will be started without the grate and see how it goes. I will also contact the manufacturer.
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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 07:40 PM
40,it's important to remember to clean the chimney. Properly seasoned wood gives off very little creasote. Burning wood that is not seasoned, and burning at a low temperature will give off creasote which lines the chimney. The danger is that should the creasote catch fire, it becomes like a volcano at the top, spewing out flaming creasote that will light your roof on fire. I clean my woodstove chimney once a month during the season.
 

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 08:23 PM
Thanks for the safety advice as well - I rent the place, a cottage, and my landlords seem very responsible about taking care of the place - I will make sure and check with them if it needs to be cleaned. And I would unlikely be burning wood at a low temp. plus I will also be getting a cord of wood soon that will be properly seasoned - I will use the unit only in the evening and if I am home during the day - I would hope to use the oil heat mainly for first thing in the morning heat. Will figure it out as I go along.
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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 08:41 PM
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That is what I was unsure of - the insert has 2 doors that will lock tight and then it has 2 levers to allow whatever amouint of air in to regulate burning. With the grate in there it seems the fire is almost too high up inside. I have used it once so far just to test it out. I think my next fire will be started without the grate and see how it goes. I will also contact the manufacturer.
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reading the posts, no grate seems like the way to go for what you have..

 

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 09:18 PM
And whatever you do, don't burn magazines in the thing!

 

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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 09:18 PM
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Yes, there should be a grate.

But I wouldn't expect great heat efficiency. Most of them suck air out of the house, into the fireplace and up the chimney....you may get good heat directly in front of the thing, but the rest of your house will suffer.

But good for the "effect" of a fire.

It kills me, down here in Florida, most if not all new houses being built have one of these fireplace inserts.....and they are practically useless, not only for the air thing mentioned above, but it isn't exactly like living in the midwest or great white north......

I can't tell you how many years I cut and stacked firewood, only to eventually just burn it all outside while it rotted away....Florida homes really shouldn't have a fireplace.

Rant over.


Heineken! (hey good to see you online!) I also live in Florida, at about the same northern area as you and have a fireplace and LOVELOVELOVE it! It isn't an insert, however, so may well be less likely to suck heat out of the house. But in any case, i am THRILLED to have it and use it for the few months that we have chilly (and sometimes downright COLD) weather here in Tallahassee.......and I must add, having a fire is one of my favorite things. If we MUST have chilly weather, then a fire makes things a lot nicer! It smells lovely, the crackling and light is soothing, and the warmth is just NICER than a central heat blower. I use my central heat and air of course, but a lot of cold evenings are spent curled up in my bigass chair watching TV, reading, writing to and reading all of YOU, all while the fire is happily making ME happy! YAY fireplaces!

OH! and i have never had one of the fireplace inserts, so can't comment on them, so sort of bent the conversation a bit. SORRY!


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  posted on 9/30/2009 at 10:13 PM
So fully agree on all said by ecosense regarding the good things about being able to have a fire inside your place when it is cold outside - just the best. Have loved it since I was a kid and we had a fireplace in the living room and my dad taught me how to make a fire properly and safely. Got one going right now.....just started it and left the insert doors open to enjoy it.
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  posted on 10/1/2009 at 07:14 AM
Here's a link to a very helpful website with various forums for all your home heating needs. I highly suggest you check out the forum section. It contains everything you'd ever want to know about home heating:

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/

[Edited on 10/1/2009 by Chain]

 
 


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