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  posted on 9/22/2009 at 05:58 PM
Yep, smoking every day is bad, and kids should not smoke at all. But I do like to smoke a Padron now and then as well as a clove cig. This, unfortunately, will only be the beginning of trying to control aspects of society beyond just smoking. Cigars are probably next, with expertly rendered pork fat next. F*ck it, we should all volunteer to go ahead and wear helmets while driving cars and bring all speed limits to 40 mph and under and do it four own good.


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September 23, 2009
F.D.A. Bans Sale of Flavored Cigarettes
By GARDINER HARRIS
WASHINGTON – Federal health officials Tuesday banned the sale of flavored cigarettes and hinted that they may soon take action against the far-larger market of flavored little cigars and cigarillos, the first major crackdown on cigarettes since the Food and Drug Administration was given authority to regulate tobacco.

The ban is intended to end the sale of tobacco products with chocolate, vanilla, clove and other flavorings that lure children and teenagers into smoking. Menthol products are as yet unaffected.

“These flavored cigarettes are a gateway for many children and young adults to become regular smokers,” said Dr. Margaret Hamburg, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, in announcing the ban.

In 2004, 17-year-old smokers were more than three times as likely as those over the age of 25 to smoke flavored cigarettes, and they viewed flavored cigarettes as safer. Among the more famous flavored cigarette introductions was that of Camel Exotic Blends by R.J. Reynolds, which had such flavors as Twista Lime, Kauai Kolada and Warm Winter Toffee.

“Banning the marketing and use of strawberry, chocolate and other flavored cigarettes will help slow the rate of addiction among young smokers, preventing disease and saving millions in health care costs down the line,” said Senator Tom Harkin, an Iowa Democrat.

Every day, 3,600 children and teens start smoking and 1,100 become daily smokers, studies show.

The ban comes three months after President Obama signed legislation giving the F.D.A. the authority for the first time to regulate tobacco products, which had $96 billion in sales in 2008, with $87 billion in cigarette sales, $4 billion in cigar, little cigar and cigarillo sales, and $4.6 billion in chewing tobacco, snuff and loose tobacco.

The legislation required the agency to ban flavored cigarettes but did not clearly define what constituted a cigarette.

In a press conference Tuesday, agency officials were deliberately vague when asked whether the ban would apply to flavored little cigars like Swisher Sweets or cigarillos like Black & Mild, which can have flavors like apple and chocolate.

F.D.A. agents visited a tobacco store in Mobile, Ala., on Saturday and told the owner that the flavoring ban included cigarillos like Black & Mild, according to Norman Sharp, president of the Cigar Association of America.

Another cigar store owner told Mr. Sharp that an F.D.A. representative called last week to tell her to remove every flavored tobacco product from her shelves that “looked like a cigarette” but could not define what that meant, Mr. Sharp said.

In a letter to manufacturers, the agency said the ban applied to all cigarette-like tobacco products even if they “are labeled as cigars or as some other product.” And in another document to manufacturers, the agency wrote that it is “examining options for regulating both menthol cigarettes and flavored tobacco products other than cigarettes.”

Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, hailed Tuesday’s announcement and said that it clearly applied to flavored little cigars that are virtually identical to cigarettes.

“The F.D.A. demonstrated that they’re serious about enforcing the ban on flavored cigarettes and serious about preventing tobacco companies from circumventing that ban with other tobacco products that appeal to children,” Mr. Myers said.

Mr. Sharp of the cigar association also praised the announcement and said the agency clearly did not intend the ban to apply to little cigars and cigarillos.

“We feel this should go a long way to clearing up any confusion in the marketplace”, Mr. Sharp said.

David Howard, a spokesman for R.J. Reynolds, said the confusion benefits no one.

“It’s hard to understand,” Mr. Howard said. “We need clear and timely guidance so all of us can work together so that we can understand what we need to be doing.”

An R.J. Reynolds subsidiary sells small cigars, which look like brown cigarettes, but Mr. Howard said that no one would confuse small cigars with cigarettes.

“They are not cigarettes,” he said.

The confusion surrounding the ban results in part from the tight timelines that Congress inserted into the tobacco legislation. Dr. Lawrence Deyton, director of the F.D.A.’s tobacco center, has been the on the job only a week and has barely begun hiring staff. But the ban on flavored cigarettes had to go into effect 90 days after the legislation was signed, and so it did.

The distinction between cigarettes and cigars has long revolved around the wrapping. Cigarettes are made of tobacco wrapped in paper, and cigars are made of tobacco wrapped in tobacco or paper constituted from tobacco. The tobacco inside the products also generally differs.

While cigarette sales are declining about 4 percent annually, those of cigars and cigarillos have been steadily rising in part because taxes and regulations of cigars are less onerous than those on cigarettes.

Dr. Deyton was asked several times if Tuesday’s ban applied to any little cigars or cigarillos. “According to the law, if something is wrapped in a tobacco leaf, that would not be considered,” he said and then stopped and added: “Hold on just a second.”

After a delay, Catherine Lorraine, a lawyer in the agency’s tobacco center, got on the call and said that if consumers believe a product is a cigarette, then the law defines it as a cigarette no matter how it is wrapped or labeled.

“We will be looking at products on an individual basis to determine if it meets that aspect of the legislation,” Ms. Lorraine said.

Brian M. Mulholland, general manager of Georgetown Tobacco, said his store got rid of its clove cigarettes two weeks ago. Flavored cigarettes comprised less than 5 percent of the store’s sales, and some of those who smoked flavored cigarettes have switched to cigars, he said.

“It’s been an opportunity to educate the consumer on switching,” Mr. Mulholland said. “They’re making the transition.”


 

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  posted on 9/22/2009 at 06:43 PM
Here is one of those times I disagree with the administration. Unless our actions affect others, we should be free to do as we please.

I've never had a flavored cigarette or mini cigar, but wrong is wrong. Let the record reflect that I'm not under the influence of any Koolade!


 

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  posted on 9/22/2009 at 06:58 PM
What was that saying? Oh yeah, "Keep Your Laws Off My Body!"

 

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  posted on 9/22/2009 at 07:09 PM
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"The ban is intended to end the sale of tobacco products with chocolate, vanilla, clove and other flavorings that lure children and teenagers into smoking."


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  posted on 9/22/2009 at 07:56 PM
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But when Obama speaks. All will listen and obey.



And if Obama rescinded all laws on abortion you would be happy? Women should have the right to chose right? How should this be different than cigarettes?

 

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  posted on 9/22/2009 at 11:56 PM
I've got no problem with the banning of flavored tobacco. I wouldn't have a problem with the ban if Bush had brought it up. If someone wants a flavored anything, roll your own.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 12:04 AM
Only folks that smoke Clove smokes are wookies at Dead shows to fit in. :They stink and taste bad. Way to go Barry!!!

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 12:23 AM
The skoalrebel needs to take a stand for this !

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 04:29 AM
Anybody else remember candy cigarettes. Sticks of white candy
with red tips packaged in a cigarette type box. We used to pretend we
were smoking. The candy was just sweet. Don't remember any flavor.
It was the 50's.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 05:23 AM
Everyone wants lower healthcare costs, start with banning ALL tobacco products and there'd be far less emphysema, heart disease, high blood pressure and cancer. Yeah, it's a matter of personal choice, but compare the medical bills of smokers to non-smokers and you'll see how smokers' choices are having a dramatic cost effect on those who don't.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 05:49 AM
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"The ban is intended to end the sale of tobacco products with chocolate, vanilla, clove and other flavorings that lure children and teenagers into smoking."


Right on



What's wrong with parents telling their kids not to smoke as opposed to having the government doing it?


So you don't believe the Gubmint has any responsibility as far as "Policing" these people?...Remember about 10-15 years ago when the Gubmint...said NO MORE to "Joe Camel"?....Imho, CARTOON characters have NO business on poisonous products.

Do you think it's ok for tobacco companies to TARGET children?

How many "adults" do you know that smoke "Chocolate flavored cigarettes"?

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 07:55 AM
Government, protect us!!! Let's not stop here! How about:

* banning all fatty foods - especially fast food (Big Mac's, Whoppers et al). This will probably eliminate a bunch of jobs - especially for folks unqualified to work eselwhere, but it's for the good of America!

* Ban sugary soft drinks! A tax on these is already being discussed and will likely happen.

* Ban television! Actually, not a bad idea! I mean, this pandering to the lowest common denominator can't be good for our collective IQ.

And finally

* BAN ROCK CONCERTS! Do you know what long-term exposure to loud music does to your ears? I said, DO YOU KNOW WHAT LONG-TERM EXPOSURE TO LOUD MUSIC DOES TO YOUR EARS!!! Visits to Otologists, and hearing aids for people who don't have insurance - you see where this could go.

When will Washington DC beuraucrats (Democrats and Republicans) ever get it through their heads that most of us are able, and should be allowed to make life choices on our own?

(edited to remove accidental cut and paste from previous poster's message. RB)

[Edited on 9/23/2009 by Rusty]

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 08:28 AM
Looks to me as just another step in the anti-tobacco process. Speaking for just tobacco, IMO we are on the downside of the slippery slope. All of the local and state smoking bans paved the way for this, and while there are those that rail about the guv'mint interfering in people's lives, all the local smoking bans in the last few years in my area have all gone to public vote and they all have passed with the approval of the majority of the public. I think if you took some serious in-depth polling you would find that a majority of Americans would be in favor of banning tobacco altogether (which would be a horrible idea...you think the War on Drugs is bad, imagine a War on Tobacco).

One of the most vehement anti-smoking people I know is also about the most staunch conservative I know. This isn't a partisan issue.

 

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Government, protect us!!! Let's not stop here! How about:

* banning all fatty foods - especially fast food (Big Mac's, Whoppers et al). This will probably eliminate a bunch of jobs - especially for folks unqualified to work eselwhere, but it's for the good of America!

* Ban sugary soft drinks! A tax on these is already being discussed and will likely happen.

* Ban television! Actually, not a bad idea! I mean, this pandering to the lowest common denominator can't be good for our collective IQ.

And finally

* BAN ROCK CONCERTS! Do you know what long-term exposure to loud music does to your ears? I said, DO YOU KNOW WHAT LONG-TERM EXPOSURE TO LOUD MUSIC DOES TO YOUR EARS!!! Visits to Otologists, and hearing aids for people who don't have insurance - you see where this could go.

When will Washington DC beuraucrats (Democrats and Republicans) ever get it through their heads that most of us are able, and should be allowed to make life choices on our own?

(edited to remove accidental cut and paste from previous poster's message. RB)

[Edited on 9/23/2009 by Rusty]


And don't forget the fruit flavored beer. If it's got anything in it other than water, wheat, barley & hops, gotta get it banned. And margarita mix. And no more daquiris. Too fruity, the kids love them. While were at it, ban wine. Grapes = fruit, kids love that too. What else can we ban & what other industries can we cripple with legislation?

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 08:53 AM
Rusty, you're a hoot, man! I like your way of debatin' You keep it funny and nonconfontational. Thanks

Bhawk, I tend to agree with you. It's not a partisan issue at all. It just happens to be a democrat in office when the health officials made a move on it.
As a life-long non smoker, I admit that I like being able to go places and not be shrouded in second-hand smoke. If I want my lungs full of crap, I'll put it there myself. lol
I grew up with smoke being blown in my face everywhere, and it absolutely has had a negative impact on my health......MY HEALTH. It is a health issue for those of us who don't smoke. I could care less if anyone else smokes or not. It's their body and shortened life span, not mine.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 11:03 AM
The anti-tobacco thing a few years back (Clinton's 2nd term, I believe) was just a joke! The government levied fines and taxes on the tobacco companies ... who promptely passed it right along to their addicted users in the form of higher prices!

Did any of you smokers (or former smokers) quit because of the increase in prices or the startling revaltions that smoking is bad for you?

I know folks who passed it along to their kids - now sending them to school with baloney sammiches instead of the typical school lunch.

I do not smoke, but I realize that folks have the right to choose. I know that the world does not belong to me personally, so at times I must get up and leave a place when the tobacco smoke starts to get to me.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 11:10 AM
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I know that the world does not belong to me personally, so at times I must get up and leave a place when the tobacco smoke starts to get to me.


Wow! You are truly the exception to the norm!

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 11:23 AM
I'll bet Derek's a real looker with a beer in one hand, big belly in the middle, and a clove cigarette in his other hand.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 11:26 AM
I've never smoked and have gagged my way through more than one meal when smoking around here was allowed in restaurants. It really ticked me off and I've had more than one blouse or skirt ruined by a careless smoker in a club. However, I do recognized smoking is part of the club circuit and I don't have to be there. Second hand smoke is real and for those of us who don't smoke it's miserable.

If you've ever had a doctor tell you someone you love has lung cancer or watched someone slowly suffocate to death from emphysem then you know why some of us would do anything we could to keep kids from smoking to begin with.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 11:43 AM
For me, putting up with second hand smoke is akin to having to put up with out of control drunks at a club or concert, though. If they get too out of hand, bouncers kick 'em out. And if they're rowdy in public (ie: bothering people) the law will lock 'em up. I think it's similar to non-smokers being subjected to second hand smoke.
If you want to smoke, take it outside and let non-smokers have the "right" to enjoy music at a club too, especially if they're paying a lot to be in that environment. A private party or your own house? Puff away 24/7

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 12:07 PM
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And don't forget the fruit flavored beer. If it's got anything in it other than water, wheat, barley & hops, gotta get it banned.


Hand a 12 year old a regular beer and one that has been flavored with raspberry...see which one they take more than one sip of..

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And margarita mix. And no more daiquiris. Too fruity, the kids love them.


Virgin drinks, maybe...most adults that drink these "fruity" drinks do so because that don't like the taste of alcohol

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While were at it, ban wine. Grapes = fruit, kids love that too.


Welch's grape juice..or grape soda...tastes nothing like real wine...C'mon now.

 

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Government, protect us!!! Let's not stop here! How about:

* banning all fatty foods - especially fast food (Big Mac's, Whoppers et al). This will probably eliminate a bunch of jobs - especially for folks unqualified to work eselwhere, but it's for the good of America!

* Ban sugary soft drinks! A tax on these is already being discussed and will likely happen.

* Ban television! Actually, not a bad idea! I mean, this pandering to the lowest common denominator can't be good for our collective IQ.

And finally

* BAN ROCK CONCERTS! Do you know what long-term exposure to loud music does to your ears? I said, DO YOU KNOW WHAT LONG-TERM EXPOSURE TO LOUD MUSIC DOES TO YOUR EARS!!! Visits to Otologists, and hearing aids for people who don't have insurance - you see where this could go.

When will Washington DC beuraucrats (Democrats and Republicans) ever get it through their heads that most of us are able, and should be allowed to make life choices on our own?

(edited to remove accidental cut and paste from previous poster's message. RB)

[Edited on 9/23/2009 by Rusty]


You are on to something here, Rusty. I like the way you think! LOL

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 12:41 PM
Should I tell the Little Johnny "I like the way you think" joke now?

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 01:29 PM
So since tobacco can't be completely banned, why not just ban the products that are clearly designed to lure in new, young smokers?

Our society has been slowly saying no to tobacco since the 60s, and the industry is fighting that tooth and nail. Do they really think that adults who now smoke are going to switch to a chocolate flavored cigarette, or that an adult who never smoked before is going to start, now that they have flavors he likes more than the taste of poison gas? Of course not. these flavors are designed to lure kids into starting a habit they hope will be life-long. This is the "gateway" drug the government keeps trying to scare us about.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2009 at 01:30 PM
Actually, the only people I ever knew that smoked cloves were snooty self-important art school types or neo-goth wannabes.

So, that being said, BAN CLOVES!

 

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