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  posted on 9/20/2009 at 02:54 PM
Thought this would be interesting to see what people think I am sure in a Bigger city like NY or Chicago they would make more than say saratoga,and is it divided equally among band members? I can't imagine mark making the same as derek or warren.
 
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  posted on 9/20/2009 at 05:43 PM
With or without the TicketMaster rollover to TicketsNow?

 

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  posted on 9/20/2009 at 07:44 PM
I'm no expert on this, but Mule gets 15-20,000 for a gig I believe. The ABB would have to be 100, 000+ per gig I would have to guess. As to how its split up between the Brothers is anybodys guess.
 

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  posted on 9/20/2009 at 09:02 PM
I remember reading that with the advent of digital music (and illegal downloading) that Bands are touring more because of financing. I think they mentioned that about 70% of the gross 9plus merchandising profits0 go to the band.

With a Beacon run that would be about 2,800 tickets at let's say $80/per. That's 224,000 gross. 70% of that would be about $155,000.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2009 at 09:39 PM
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The ABB would have to be 100,000+ per gig I would have to guess.


No way. I would guess that Gregg, Jaimoe & Butch make about $5,000..Warren about $3,000 and Derek about $2,500...Mark & Oteil about $2,000

 

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  posted on 9/20/2009 at 10:13 PM
This is from a 2005 Billboard article. Thats a gross on 10 Beacon shows when ticket prices were way lower than they were in 2009.

"In 2005, the ABB grossed nearly $2 million from 10 "March Madness" shows (nine sold out) at the Beacon."

 

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  posted on 9/20/2009 at 10:27 PM
my $225,000 per show estimate is pretty close they; I still think they take home 70% of that
 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 01:55 AM
I often wonder about the food,booze,and even parking at some of these events if they make a piece of everything not counting of course cd's,clothing etc.
I would guess every group has a different contract so the public will never know.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 02:06 AM
most bands get a guaranteed minimum vs. a percent of the gross.... how it is divided is based on ownership in the corp.

Precisely why Dickey had to sue, because the beancounters were gonna try to screw him out of his ownership percentage...

the rest of the "entertainers" are hired hands, like management, roadies, 'handlers' and other "entourage" (babysitters)

unfortunately in this day and age of the Enrons and AIGs (cooked books) even some owners get screwed.... can you say "not for profit" ??????

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 02:12 AM
lets say just for example a band gets 50K v. 80% of the gross... and the gross is booze, gate, merch.

(80 % of your 225 figure = 180) then take 180 and subtract "expenses" (salaries, travel, per diem)

if they pay BIG salaries and per diems to the "crew" the owners get squat....but the "players" get beauceau bux

with proper leagl reprensentation an owner would still get his 25% of the minimum

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 08:44 AM
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and the gross is booze, gate, merch.


NOT correct. Gross is calculated on the gate, period. Incidentals (bar, food, parking) belong to the venue. Merch sales are split with the building

Is it really appropriate to be publicly looking to discuss what the band makes?

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 08:54 AM
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and the gross is booze, gate, merch.


NOT correct. Gross is calculated on the gate, period. Incidentals (bar, food, parking) belong to the venue. Merch sales are split with the building

Is it really appropriate to be publicly looking to discuss what the band makes?


I don't see the big deal. 95% of all sports pages read like the financial section anymore. What's the difference?

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:17 AM
I'd always heard that concessions go to the venue and the band gets gate and most of merch. But venues do take a percentage of merch. too, although that amount varies from venue to venue. Goes along with what Billy_Kain is saying.

I'm almost certain the replacements/additions bandmembers in the ABB have always been salaried, unless things have changed over the past 5 or 7 years. I do think when Warren re-joined in 2001 that he did get a piece of the partnership/LLC though, so it might be a bit different for Warren this time around. I remember reading here way back when from people seemingly in the know that Warren joined the business entity when he re-joined the band. I think that's why he's listed 4th whenever band member names are listed on advertisements, etc., even though it's out of alphabetical order for the replacements. You'll typically see it as the original 3 in alphabetical order, then Warren, then Oteil, Marc & Derek in alphabetical order. I doubt Warren gets an equal piece of the pie as Gregg, Jaimoe, or Butch, but I do believe he isn't simply salaried like Derek, Marc, and Oteil and that Warren gets some percentage.

Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if all 7 of them are salaried as individuals from the band's corporate/business entity, and then the partners or members of the business entity also get distributions of leftover revenues/profits after it's all over and done with. I'm sure it's a very complex operating agreement. And there are several different business entities involved under the ABB umbrella. I'd hazard a guess there's one for the current touring band, a different entity for licensing and royalties of older recordings, ownership of intellectual property, etc. I know there's The ABB Merchandising Co., Inc. (look at the copyright notice at the bottom of this web-site) and Peach Records LLC (look at the Instant Lives/Munck Music liner notes). I've seen elsewhere other corporate names, something like either The ABB LLC or The Allman Brothers Band LLC, etc. I'm sure there are a handful of other entities.

Being rock stars is expensive and complex from a business/legal/tax perspective.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:25 AM
BTW no two contracts read the same,
nor are they interpreted the same...
hence the need for attorneys and courts....

the entertainment INDUSTRY
ruins a lot of artists and athletes

[Edited on 9/21/2009 by Capn]

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:26 AM
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The ABB would have to be 100,000+ per gig I would have to guess.


No way. I would guess that Gregg, Jaimoe & Butch make about $5,000..Warren about $3,000 and Derek about $2,500...Mark & Oteil about $2,000




you might be surprised BigV

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:29 AM
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Indeed, capn.

BTW, I'm not claiming to be an expert. My post was all speculation, based largely on things I've noticed on this web-site over the years.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:31 AM
What would be a more interesting is not how much the ABB makes per show, but how much the ABB nets. The ABB must be running a pretty high "overhead", when you consider that they also have to pay management, crew, ect. My guess is when the band is on the road there must be around 30 or so people, besides the band, that is on the payroll, and that doesn't include the leasing fees for buses/trucks, sound and lighting equipment, transportation cost, hotel room rentals, and all the other cost that comes with a touring band. As for how much band members and other key people associated with the band get paid, I don't think they get paid per show, but instead are paid a salary, with bonuses given out at the end of the concert season, if the band has done well.

[Edited on 9/21/2009 by sibwlkr]

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:40 AM
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i'm sorry... i forgot how many experts reside here

pardon me for chiming in

BTW no two contracts read the same,
nor are they interpreted the same...
hence the need for attorneys and courts....

the entertainment INDUSTRY
ruins a lot of artists and athletes




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It doesn't take an expert to know its not what you make but what you keep. You can play the best music in the world but if you have poor management..............your @#%*$#.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:40 AM
i wasn't referring to you Zambi...
your post made sense, especially the last line

business/legal/FAX perspective


it was ONE OTHER i meant,
and i apologize for getting
uptight.... i like this thread
and most of the discussions on this site

lotta good people here
with some great insight

just a very FEW

"know it alls"

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:44 AM
Maybe the OP's intent was to ask the question, "If I wanted to hire ABB to play a party in my back yard, how much would it cost me?"

We all know they have touring overhead, like Capn said. I don't care how much each band member gets paid. I'd be interested to know what the price to book the act would be. Not that I expect to get that number, but.....

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:47 AM
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We all know they have touring overhead, like Capn said. I don't care how much each band member gets paid. I'd be interested to know what the price to book the act would be. Not that I expect to get that number, but.....





I remember a thread a few years back which listed ( truth or fiction ) how much different bands got per show. Seems like the Bros were 150k at that time according to what was posted.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 09:49 AM
From a GM for AEG Live: "I'm not in the entertainment business, I'm in the beer and Parking business," Mike Dugan, AEG Live office, Houston, TX.
In today's narket, bands take 90% plus of the gate. In some cases, the promotor is only garaunteed a set payment, a trend that started back in the 90's with the Eagles reunion tour. Live Nation has a policy in many venues that gives the band 100% of rhe gate with no garauntees or deposits.
Venues take, on average, 35-40% of merch reciepts. That's why t-shirts are 20 - 40 bucks. The vvenue uses a third party to sell merch and most bands have a third party that makes, tgransports and sells merch.
When a band is payed, they must cover all internal expenses (production, transportation from city to city, lodging, touring crew payroll, artist payments) while the promotor covers day of show expenses ( local transportation from hotel to venue, catering and hospitality, promotion and advertising, etc.). That is why both parties have accountants on payroll and on site. While the ticketholders are watching the act, the accountants are going over the books and "arguing" over what is allowed and who pays for and gets what. Much like a divorce proceeding, lol.
These are the general guidelines, but there are exceptions.
As to the actual amount payed to the ABB, it's in the low to mid 6 figures. For the Mule it;s in the very high 4 figures to low 6 figures. These numbers vary some based on the gross potantial for a given venue.
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We all know they have touring overhead, like Capn said. I don't care how much each band member gets paid. I'd be interested to know what the price to book the act would be. Not that I expect to get that number, but.....





I remember a thread a few years back which listed ( truth or fiction ) how much different bands got per show. Seems like the Bros were 150k at that time according to what was posted.



I have been looking for that list.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 10:07 AM
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I'd be interested to know what the price to book the act would be. Not that I expect to get that number, but.......


BigDave,

Here's a link where you (or anyone else) can find that information, in case you might want to book the ABB for a "private event".

http://www.bookingentertainment.com/artists/rock/booking-allman-brothers.ph p

upton_ogoode,

Aren't you involved on the production side of putting on various musical events, including "private events" by major artists?


 

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  posted on 9/21/2009 at 10:10 AM
Some situations work like this....
Just pulling numbers out of the air here, for illustrative purposes.
Let's suppose you call a booking company, ask what an act will cost. And the answer is $100K.
Now, you can probably do that deal, if the date fits.
What is more likely is a proposal back. Something like, "We'll guarantee $65K, vs 65% of a $70 ticket at a venue that seats 3800." This allows the band to make substantially more than the $100K, but limits the risk of the promoter to $65K. Not 100K.

Then there's the "rider." This is the other stuff. May include rooms, hospitality complements. Sound requirements and equipment to be provided. Opening act. And all of it is negotiable.

 
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