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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:37 AM
Hey, all... I'm just sitting here listening to Q104.3, and some Steve Winwood started blaring out... It got me to thinking that this guy really should have been an all-time GREAT artist. His voice is just perfect and he is so diverse... That being said, he hasn't come close to living up to his abilities.

What other artists do you think have worlds of ability, but no body of work to back it up?

Jeff Beck comes to mind. The guy is a monster, but what has he done worthy of mention over the last 25 years?

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:47 AM
I'm sure Jeff Beck is losing tons of sleep that you feel that way about him Frank...

Jeeeezus Frank...I think its time to switch to Decaf!

 
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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:48 AM
Good thread. No bout a doubt it for me-Buffalo Springfield AND/OR CSNY. I mean, look at the talent in those bands. Maybe they were just too young for all the fame in the Springfield, but CSNY, forget it. What that band could have done. But Young was always really a solo artist, so coulda woulda shoulda, you know. Oh well..
Now, Winwood...I heard good things about his newest release. But yeah, too many of his things had that glossy slick pop sound. I haven't gotten the new one, just heard about it. Actually, do you know that Stills wanted him in CSN? It's true.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:49 AM
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I'm sure Jeff Beck is losing tons of sleep that you feel that way about him Frank...

Jeeeezus Frank...I think its time to switch to Decaf!


What the hell is your problem, you rediculous ingrate? If you don't like the topic, stay away... Obviously, Rust1 likes the topic, so just do us all a favor and shut your mouth.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread, already in progress...

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:51 AM
Rust1, I'm a HUGE CSNY fan, but I agree with you 100%... They only really released 6 albums together, and only 4 were any good. However, as "solo" artists, they all released some AMAZING stuff, and it all COULD have been CSNY stuff, had they had their act together (much of the blame is Crosby's)...

And, yes, I did know about Winwood and CSNY. Stills loved him apparently...

 

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To me Frank...Beck and Winwood have both left their Mark on music history..I really do not expect them to be putting out their greatest work anymore. I'm Happy with what they have given.

Now to me...a couple of bands that wasted a lot of good years were Ted Nugent and ZZ Top.

Ted fired the best band he ever had to do all that corny "Wang Dang" stuff.....nothing wrong with it...but in smaller doses...after a great "Free For All" album..he chose to sing songs about silly stuff as opposed to getting the real job done.

Same with Top...I love those guys to death....but after Tejas..they put down most of the heavy blues influenced stuff and added syntesizers and did songs about "TV Dinners". Now I know that is their most succesful era...but in the long run..it turned a lot of folks away. Top was right on for their first 4 releases. Now even though their new one has some silliness to it...it's the best they have done in over 20 years...at lest IMHO.

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I think Paul McCartney's solo career is another HUGE waste of his abilities. Of course, with the Beatles, he was perhaps the greatest songwriter of all time (one can make that case), but his solo stuff is awful, "Maybe I'm Amazed" aside.

In fact, his best solo record is "Flaming Pie", which came 24 years after his solo career began. He spent too much time with "Admiral Halsey", "Silly Love Songs" and "Mull of Kyntre" to do anything worthy...

Good points about Nugent and the Top, Kenny...

 

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It is a shame about CSN&Y...those guys are so great together..and I love the early stuff so much. I have collected almost all of their solo stuff....maybe a few I don't have. I enjoy the solo stuff too.....of course Neil...but Crosby, Stills and Nash have done some pretty good solo's too.

But with that talent...you would expect more from the group as a whole...a lot of their later stuff was lacking to me.

To me Eric Clapton never was as good as his early days......but he's been a huge success...so I guess thats just my own opinion.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:03 PM
I'm sorry Frank that you took my post to be offensive. It was all in fun thats all. Most of us like to have fun here as well as talk about music.
I just couldn't understand how you thought someone with Jeff Becks credentials
was a big waste of talent...thats all. You just can't base certain things on album sales and popularity. Also Frank, I assure you I am NOT an ingrate...

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:03 PM
David Crosby's "If I Could Only Remember My Name" was as good an album as ever was released. Jerry Garcia fans should check it out. Garica, Kreutzman and I think Lesh play on many cuts of the record.

BTW, Kenny... I know what you mean about Clapton, but I'm not so much looking for once great artists who have "lost it", but rather amazingly talented artists who never put it altogether and attained the success that their talents would have led you to believe...

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:05 PM
Sorry, EddieP... My bad.

I'm just used to getting attacked on the real ingrates on this board, that I tend to get defensive... All apologies, bro... No hard feelings, ok?

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:13 PM
OK... Jimi Hendrix is another was waste of guitar strings, and don't get me starter on the Duane Allman fella...

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:15 PM
Are we talking about underappreciated artists? I think that NRBQ is just one of the greatest bands around, even though they're not a household name.

No "body of work" for Jeff Beck? The Yardbirds (with all three guitarists) remain one of the most influential acts of all time. "Blow By Blow" and "Wired" are two of the greatest guitar albums of all time (my opinion).

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:17 PM
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David Crosby's "If I Could Only Remember My Name" was as good an album as ever was released. Jerry Garcia fans should check it out. Garica, Kreutzman and I think Lesh play on many cuts of the record.

BTW, Kenny... I know what you mean about Clapton, but I'm not so much looking for once great artists who have "lost it", but rather amazingly talented artists who never put it altogether and attained the success that their talents would have led you to believe...



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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:20 PM
NRBQ?

BTW, to explain my Jeff Beck comment... When you hear the names of Hendrix, or Clapton or Page or Allman, dozens of riffs automatically fill your mind. For me, at least, that doesn't happen with Jeff Beck. I KNOW he's great (I have his albums, and they are real good), but I don't think that his playing, while technically as good as the guys above, reached the level that it should have. Not so much his guitar abilities, but his stamp on music history...

I dunno, I don't think I'm explaining myself well, or maybe it's just that I am alone in the way I feel... Anyway, that's the point of these here boards...

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:21 PM
Peter Green might be a good choice for this list as well. The guy let too much stuff get in the way of his making music... When he put his mind to things, he was outstanding, though...

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:29 PM
Usually if I recognise a musician for their talent, I'm not always totally aware of their impact on the general population is. And usually if I recognize a talent, I pretty much appreciate a lot of what they've done, even if it doesn't fall into the category of what I'd like to hear them do. So this is a hard subject to discuss.


 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:31 PM
Totally, Paulie... Ha! I said "Totally Paulie"

Anyway, I agree with you, although I guess I'm trying to liken someone like Peter Green to Michael Ray Richardson (old New York Knick) or other athletes who have WORLDS of ability, but never really put it together...

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:32 PM
I agree with PauliG. No talent is ever wasted.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:35 PM
Pam, that is not true... That is TOTALLY not true...

Len Bias? Rae Carruth? Syd Barret? River Phoenix?

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:46 PM
Syd Barret was not a waste of talent at all. How can you say such a thing? He was a founder of Pink Floyd! He has some incredible art too!
River Phoenix? Why was he a waste of talent? He made some good movies in his short life. I do not think that was a waste at all.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:47 PM
*Rust1, I'm a HUGE CSNY fan, but I agree with you 100%... They only really released 6 albums together, and only 4 were any good.*

Four? lol...Man, you are KIND.

Hmmm.... Beck's stuff with The Yardbirds alone is worthy of "rock & roll history". The thing with him is, I don't think he cares.... while the other players might. His recent work is more intersting/ambitious than the works of Clapton & Page COMBINED though.

*Peter Green might be a good choice for this list as well. The guy let too much stuff get in the way of his making music... When he put his mind to things, he was outstanding, though...*

He was/is probably mentally sick. Very unfortunate. But I think when you play THAT emotionally, it may start to catch up with ya. To me, he was a better blues player than almost anyone. Duane. Clapton. You name it.

Looking at the title of this thread, I actually thought of the Allman Brothers Band. In many ways, I think Gregg Allman has wasted away many, many opportunities.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:48 PM
talent IS NEVER wasted....it would appear that it is sometimes...but who's to say anybody who dies while theyre doing well, would have done well if they lived? Who's to say Lenny Bias would have been the next hall of famer? Who's to say River Phoenix would have been a good actor? Who's to say that Kurt Cobain, or Jimi Hendrix, or Jim Morrison would have remained vital? Nobody...because you don't have any basis to say anything.

I've always felt that if a talented person goes early...its because they used too much of their talent too quickly, and they couldn't go on anymore. Its tragic that they die, but who's to say they weren't done? Lenny Bias could have gone pro, and tanked...RIver's next several movies could have bombed, Kurt could have put out a **** ty album or two...Hendrix could have lost a finger, or done something to himself...without anything actually happening, you will never know.

 

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*Who's to say that Kurt Cobain, or Jimi Hendrix, or Jim Morrison would have remained vital?*

"The American Poet" was never vital. lol

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:53 PM
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Syd Barret was not a waste of talent at all. How can you say such a thing? He was a founder of Pink Floyd! He has some incredible art too!
River Phoenix? Why was he a waste of talent? He made some good movies in his short life. I do not think that was a waste at all.



Syd was a waste because he blew his mind out way before he should have....

If you don't call frying your brain to a crisp before you have even entered your prime a waste...I don't know what is.

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