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  posted on 9/12/2009 at 09:01 PM
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/former-rolling-stone-bassist- slams-music-games/1351903


Former Rolling Stone bassist slams music games
by Ben Silverman


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Just because it's good enough for The Beatles doesn’t mean it's good enough for everyone.

In an interview with the BBC, ex-Rolling Stone bassist Bill Wyman expressed his general displeasure with music games, claiming they distracted kids from rocking properly.


No rocking in a virtual world.
"It encourages kids not to learn, that's the trouble" he told the BBC. "It makes less and less people dedicated to really get down and learn an instrument. I think it's a pity so I'm not really keen on that kind of stuff."

Interestingly, Wyman's mini-tirade came during a break from a recording session at the legendary Abbey Road studios, where the longtime Stones member was laying down tracks for a charitable Beatles cover song. Anticipated music game The Beatles: Rock Band launches this week.

Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason was also on hand and offered a few no-so-gentle words of his own.

"It irritates me having watched my kids do it," he said of playing music video games. "If they spent as much time practicing the guitar as learning how to press the buttons they'd be damn good by now."

The two join the likes of Led Zeppelin's Jimmy Page, The White Stripes' Jack White and the one and only Prince as some of music video gaming's most famous critics.

However, Wyman's griping is a bit bizarre considering that the Stones have appeared in both Guitar Hero and Rock Band before, including the just-released five-song Rolling Stone Track pack for Guitar Hero. He also seems to be missing the fact that music games can turn people on to playing real-world music

 

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  posted on 9/12/2009 at 09:06 PM
Isn't he like 85 now?

Is he still dating 16 year olds?

 

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  posted on 9/12/2009 at 09:08 PM
I wonder if he's not getting any cause she's up all night playing Geetar Hero.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2009 at 09:11 PM
I have to agree in general principle however our grandson, Reid is proving to be an exception. Our granddaughter, Sandlin, and her brother, Gray, both play guitar but Reid never was much interested. He is more a drummer. After spending a lot of hours with guitar hero and becoming a master of the master levels, he found the confidence to learn to play the real guitar and is now in the process of learning from his brother, Gray.

 

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After spending a lot of hours with guitar hero and becoming a master of the master levels, he found the confidence to learn to play the real guitar and is now in the process of learning from his brother, Gray.


Go Reid go.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2009 at 09:29 PM
On one hand I agree with Bill, as better time could be spent learning an instrument. While roots music, bluegrass, old time, and so on are on fire with a burst of young folks becoming expert musicians in droves these days as the "Old Brother, Where Art Thou" influenced generation coming into its own (especially the women, and due to the fact that, the best roots-bluegrass-old time musicians take the time to give workshops and instructional jams at festivals and camps so that the new generation musicians are nurtured and helped and motivated as opposed to the rock world where it dosn't happen much at all), and "Blues In The Schools" and other programs are positive as well, other genres are sadly lacking. But, I broached Wyman's argument to another musician friend of mine and I was told that Guitar Hero and Rock Band may in fact be boosting the sales of musical instruments as a result of their popularity. We'll see.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2009 at 09:41 PM
Donna gave me the Guitar Hero game (with PS2) a couple of years ago. I explained that I really needed to be playing real guitar more (making me a Guitar Zero! ). I ended up giving the whole system to a less fortunate child we know. I'm not a gamer anyway.

 

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After spending a lot of hours with guitar hero and becoming a master of the master levels, he found the confidence to learn to play the real guitar and is now in the process of learning from his brother, Gray.


Go Reid go.


It doesn't hurt that he got started on the guitar hero version with an Allman Brothers song his grandfather produced.

Are you going to the JFD? If so, Ella iand Zach are supposed to play and if everything goes like planned fourteen year old Gray will be sitting in for a couple of songs at the jam. Plus, I still owe you a dance.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2009 at 09:53 PM
if nothing else, I suspect that guitar hero and rockband are helping to introduce todays kids to the music of a prior generation.
sounds good to me
(other than the fact that it would be better for them to be running around outside instead of playing with a computer)

 

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if nothing else, I suspect that guitar hero and rockband are helping to introduce todays kids to the music of a prior generation.
sounds good to me



They already know about our music. I can't tell you how many times my nephews, friends of my nephews, my friend's kids, young folks I meet all over who say that my generation had the best music ever from 1965 to 1975 (and you can even make the argument that it was from 1953 to 1975 as that is when rock and roll began, R & B turned into soul music and funk, rockabilly, psychedelic rock, punk rock, hard rock, blues rock, classical rock, rock steady-ska-reggae, doo wop, beach, ambient, newgrass, jamband, jamgrass, jazz rock-fusion, African rock, and even hip hop all got rolling within those years,) until it went corporate and got bloated in the late 1970's as it gave way to disco. I'm sure there are many that don't know about it, but of they are into music at all then they pretty much are aware of it.

 

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  posted on 9/13/2009 at 12:56 AM
There was a game announced almost two years ago that had a Guitar Hero-type screen interface, but used an actual guitar, and you had to play the notes correctly to score. It was called "Guitar Rising", and here's their site with a video you can click to watch -

http://www.guitarrising.com/index.html

Looked like a cool idea, but there hasn't been any further info about it in a long time. I wonder if the screen interface, being so close in concept to Guitar Hero, ran into some infringement problems.

Another one announced but apparently not out yet is Guitar Wizard. Here's a video for it -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsqFzDSJfeE

 

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  posted on 9/13/2009 at 01:42 AM
"If they spent as much time practicing the guitar as learning how to press the buttons they'd be damn good by now."

Right on Bill...

Reminds me of the football coach who once quipped:

"Running through tires makes you good at running through tires, that's why we don't do it"

 

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  posted on 9/13/2009 at 10:28 AM
I have a lot of respect for Bill Wyman. I recently read his "Blues Odyssey" and it's a great history of the blues. Thanks, pops!

He's entitled to his opinion. He certainly learned his chops the old-school way.

Derek, don't forget the School of the Blues, in San Jose, CA. The owner is David Barrett, one of the most respected harmonica players and instructors in the world. The instructors are all top-notch, and they are also turning out some superb young players.

 

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  posted on 9/13/2009 at 10:33 AM
My only worry is that, with the way society is going, these kids will not have the attention span to truly be great at anything because it's all done for them. I also think it gives them a false sense of how hard it is to really learn to play an instrument.

Most kids quit learning to play instruments because it takes effort to learn to play. Effort is something that has waned in the last few decades. Anything that truly takes effort is something I see a lot of kids avoiding and adults too...everyone want instant gratification....if your inspired to play in instrument and you require instant gratification you'll never succeed.

 

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My only worry is that, with the way society is going, these kids will not have the attention span to truly be great at anything because it's all done for them. I also think it gives them a false sense of how hard it is to really learn to play an instrument.

Most kids quit learning to play instruments because it takes effort to learn to play. Effort is something that has waned in the last few decades. Anything that truly takes effort is something I see a lot of kids avoiding and adults too...everyone want instant gratification....if your inspired to play in instrument and you require instant gratification you'll never succeed.


But if you like instant humiliation, playing an instrument might be right for you!

Hi, Ron!

 

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My only worry is that, with the way society is going, these kids will not have the attention span to truly be great at anything because it's all done for them. I also think it gives them a false sense of how hard it is to really learn to play an instrument.

Most kids quit learning to play instruments because it takes effort to learn to play. Effort is something that has waned in the last few decades. Anything that truly takes effort is something I see a lot of kids avoiding and adults too...everyone want instant gratification....if your inspired to play in instrument and you require instant gratification you'll never succeed.


But if you like instant humiliation, playing an instrument might be right for you!

Hi, Ron!


no need to be humiliated.....playing music is one of the greatest gifts we can learn to do and give to children...we all sucked when we started....just like we all crawled before we could run

 

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I watched Reid play Guitar Hero and couldn't believe the amazing hand-eye co-ordination it takes to play the highest level of the game. Before my mind could even register the colors and put them with the buttons to know what to press about twenty notes had passed me by. I'm glad he's learning the real instrument, but in today's computer driven society, I see where video games have benefited our other grandchildren in their every day life. I think the secret for parents is to help kids strike a balance between the video games and personal one on one interaction with other children.....outside in the fresh air.

 

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But if you like instant humiliation, playing an instrument might be right for you!



or playing Guitar Hero next to some 7 year old kid in Wal Mart.

 

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I see we've shared that particular humiliation.

 

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Are you going to the JFD? If so, Ella iand Zach are supposed to play and if everything goes like planned fourteen year old Gray will be sitting in for a couple of songs at the jam. Plus, I still owe you a dance.


Looking forward to all Ann.

 

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I watched Reid play Guitar Hero and couldn't believe the amazing hand-eye co-ordination it takes to play the highest level of the game. Before my mind could even register the colors and put them with the buttons to know what to press about twenty notes had passed me by. I'm glad he's learning the real instrument, but in today's computer driven society, I see where video games have benefited our other grandchildren in their every day life. I think the secret for parents is to help kids strike a balance between the video games and personal one on one interaction with other children.....outside in the fresh air.


The one thing I think it does teach is rhythm and that is a huge stumbling block to get over

 

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Hey, some people dig porn. They buy it or rent it.

Me, I want the real thing.

 

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  posted on 9/14/2009 at 12:35 AM
Jury is out really.

Since these games have become popular. Sales of real guitars have skyrocketed so there is some belief that it turns some onto real playing. I question how many of these guitars just collect dust though. hard to tell really. So I will look at it positively.

As for younger kids hearing new "old" music. Definitely. Sure some of them know some classic rock but they have been opened up to new bands and songs. My nephews all learned the ABB stuff to impress me. I played along on real guitar and shut them up though.

The way I see it is that it is better to have a music game than some game about killing people and stealing their cars.

 

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  posted on 9/14/2009 at 05:58 AM
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Isn't he like 85 now?

Is he still dating 16 year olds?


I'm missing the problem with this.

 

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  posted on 9/14/2009 at 07:38 AM
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Isn't he like 85 now?

Is he still dating 16 year olds?


And that makes him incapable of expressing his opinion?

I think he's right.

 

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