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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 09:33 AM
I was having a discussion with my music teacher yesterday and he tried to make a point that a band is only as good as its weakest musician. Who do you think is the weakest (if thats possible!) musician in the ABB. I really had a hard time coming up with an answer. I finally came up with Gregg. Here's how I got there. I went by the thinking of "WHo is better at their position." In the guitar category I could only come up with two other guys to fill up the position better than they could and they are both dead (hendrix and duane). Nobody besides Victor Wooten is better at the bass than Oteil. Listening to an interview I heard someone say that Marc is one of the top 5 percussionist in the world. And that leaves Gregg in therms of his voice its unreal, as for his keyboarding, I would rate it as good and not excellent. Dont get me wrong I love Gregg, and if this theory of a band only being as good as its worst memeber is correct, I d still put this band ahead of many many others. Thoughts? Peace to yall GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!! Confused

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 09:42 AM
As a player, it's definitely Gregg. I mean, he's still a great player, but the other players are all virtuosos...

When you take his songwriting/vocals into account, though, then he's as strong a musical force as there is in rock.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 09:55 AM
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As a player, it's definitely Gregg. I mean, he's still a great player, but the other players are all virtuosos...


Frank, is he really a great player? There is something going on here that I really don't understand, with Gregg Allman. I don't understand why he doesn't have a greater presence on the organ. When I saw them a few weeks ago (and on all the shows I have), he was very low in the mix. When he did do a solo, it was a quick, throwaway solo. This has apparently been going on for quite some time.

He truly has a unique sound (when Gregg plays a solo, you know it's him)...

That is why I like the 5 man band shows. Gregg's presence in the band's instrumental playing was at it's highest

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 10:06 AM
Gregg solos as a vocalist. That's why his organ is not as prominant as the guitars.
I agree there was more organ soloing in the early band.

But Gregg is a fantastic musician. I was blown away by the outake of "come and go
blues" on the "Brothers of the Road" DVD. Just his voice and an acoustic guitar and
the power of the music is undeniable.

I think Gregg is an amazing keyboard player, both piano and B3.

Weakest Link?

There are none. That is why this band smokes more often than not.

It is like asking who is the weakest link in the Miles Davis quintets.
There are none. All those cats could blow. Same with the ABB.

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 10:15 AM
Look at it this way. If you can say that Gregg is the weakest musician in a band, any band, then that band is one damn good band! Did I say "band" enough there?

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 10:43 AM
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But Gregg is a fantastic musician. I was blown away by the outake of "come and go blues" on the "Brothers of the Road" DVD. Just his voice and an acoustic guitar and
the power of the music is undeniable.


Man, I LOVE that version! Blew me away too...I think that is the same version that is on The Grgg Allman Anthology. That CD should be brought back from out-of-print, so many great cuts on there and compiled by Kirk West no less. I understand it is a legal issue...

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I was having a discussion with my music teacher yesterday and he tried to make a point that a band is only as good as its weakest musician


I would have to argue that point with your music teacher. You could have a complete group of virtuosos that couldn't mesh together and I don't think that would fall to the weakest link. I think it's the musicians ability to mesh toghether as a BAND.

[Edited on 10/3/2003 by Denza]

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 10:51 AM
Well put Lee...I was thinking the same thing, If you consider Gregg a weak link - thats a hell of a strong weak link! Nobody but nobody, jams like The Brothers, they're best moments are better than any other bands best moments...so obviously Greggs playing is a very big part of that. Gregg is what he is...can he play a mean B-3?... absolutely! Just listen to some of those early recordings when he was just a kid...great stuff! Just because some musicians are not show-offs, doesn't mean they can't play. Isn't Levon Helm considered a great drummer? Yes, just becauese he doesn't play like Billy Cobham doesn't mean he's not a very good musician. Neil Young is considered an excellent guitar player... does he have Jimmy Herrings chops? No, but who cares. Gregg provides "colour", a layer of beautiful sound that you hear under, over and in between the guitars of the band which is their trademark. Twin guitars with and an overpowering rhythm section...Gregg just keeps it all together....and his voice may be the stongest instrument of all!

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 10:52 AM
My opinion...there is no weakest link.

Here's another angle...Who would be missed the most, if not present......my vote, Gregg.

Certainly doesn't fit the weakest link description if you look at it that way....more like MVP.

Best thing is, it doesn't matter, they all show up, play their asses off and we go home happy.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 10:58 AM
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....and his voice may be the stongest instrument of all!



Agreed!

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 10:59 AM
I think Warren is the band's MVP. I mean, save "Heart of Stone", every HTN song was at least partially his, and without him, there IS no HTN. In fact, without him, there IS no ABB, or at least no new DVD, new album and renewed interest.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:12 AM
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My opinion...there is no weakest link.

Here's another angle...Who would be missed the most, if not present......my vote, Gregg.

Certainly doesn't fit the weakest link description if you look at it that way....more like MVP.

Best thing is, it doesn't matter, they all show up, play their asses off and we go home happy.


Good point. Nice twist.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:22 AM
i see yalls point. what i think he was trying to tell me was that a band only allows its members to got where they can go as a group. you can have all the worlds best musicians in a room and if one person cant help them reach that other level than that is the level of the band.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:22 AM
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I would have to argue that point with your music teacher. You could have a complete group of virtuosos that couldn't mesh together and I don't think that would fall to the weakest link. I think it's the musicians ability to mesh toghether as a BAND.


Correct. And I believe that Gregg's musicianship in the band is as the vocalist, the keyboards are more of an afterthought. Kind of like to give him something to do while the rest of the guys are just playing. - He spends a lot of time trying to stay out of the way of the guitars...

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:25 AM
Wow, maybe it is time for the get a life club..... I find this thread kind of silly and in some way offensive..... If you guys ever run into the GREAT bluesman GA, be sure to explain the "Weakest Link" theory to him.... He is the meat and potatoes of the Allman Brothers, without him no ABB. Is soloing the all and all of music? Personally, organ solos are not needed in every song. His sound is instantly recognizable as him and adds a depth and layer to the tapestry that makes it the ABB sound. In that sense the Band was similiar, Garth didn't need to hog the spotlight, he was at the core of their sound. like Gregg. And his voice (and Duanes guitar) is why we all here know who the ABB is.....

I don't know, to me this thread is like saying Muddy Waters was not the greatest technical player, yeah no kidding? The man DEFINED the blues....

 

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"I think Warren is the band's MVP. I mean, save "Heart of Stone", every HTN song was at least partially his, and without him, there IS no HTN. In fact, without him, there IS no ABB, or at least no new DVD, new album and renewed interest."



I don't mean to pile on but WTF, shut-up already...

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:44 AM
Well, the fact that Gregg himself admitted what I just posted should sort of shut you up, don't you think?

The only Gregg songs from the record were co-written with Warren, many AFTER Warren rejoined the band. "Maydell", "Old Friend", "Instrumental Illness", "High Cost of Low Living" and "Who To Believe" are OLD Warren Haynes tunes that the band doesn't even consider playing if Warren doesn't join...

To deny that Warren is the impetus behind the band's rebirth is to confirm your stupidity. I'm not saying that he's ALL that matter, but he's the impetus behind the rebirth. Of this, there can be no question. None.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:53 AM
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I would have to argue that point with your music teacher. You could have a complete group of virtuosos that couldn't mesh together and I don't think that would fall to the weakest link. I think it's the musicians ability to mesh toghether as a BAND.



Agreed.

And the weak link thing is horse$hit. I mean, how about CRAZY HORSE, lol...where they could ALL be considered 'weak links'? HA! It's much much more than the sheer ability to play an instrument. What about the FEEL, man, the FEEL

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:56 AM
I am not denying nor questioning the validity of the stream of verbal vomit that eminates from your head from time to time...really, I am not attacking you. I am simply asking you to shut it, that is all. Period. Please. For the sake of mankind.


Yes I recognize this is an open forum and that wonderful thing called free speech, but, fizzlechiaza, you, pal, are a drag.

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 11:58 AM
Um... no.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:33 PM
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GREAT bluesman GA adds a depth and layer to the tapestry that makes it the ABB sound.


Poetic License - there's the "Heart of The Matter," right there.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:37 PM
Well, I wasn't going to post on this thread but I just can't help myself now. To answer the question with a question, I thought the weakest link got a fax a few years ago from Cliff?

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:43 PM
Weakest link? What the hell's wrong with some of you guys? You've got one of the greatest act in the history of music and you want to find something wrong with it? Gregg Allman is the foundation that the band is built upon. He may not be Keith Emerson on the Hammond, but he is certainly capable. I think he's one of the few white men who can sing the blues credibly.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:43 PM
Bear in mind that, when I responded that Gregg was "weakest link", it was only in response to the question, and it was ONLY taking his organ into consideration. Let me reiterate that I am NOT knocking Gregg's organ playing at all... His organ, often times, defines the band for me.

I don't want to go on record as knocking Gregg because the guy is an idol of mine and, IMHO, the greatest frontman (in terms of playing, singing and writing) EVER.

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 12:50 PM
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You've got one of the greatest act in the history of music and you want to find something wrong with it?


You just hit the nail on the head.

[Edited on 10/3/2003 by Lee]

 

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  posted on 10/3/2003 at 06:39 PM
If you factor in his vocals this is a non issue. As far as his playing, he's never had to showcase his skills. I don't believe it was ever supposed to be that way, it was always the guitars. Gregg has stated before that he just puts "the gravy on the meat". To me his playing is just perfect for the band......subtle solos, perfectly placed and timed fills, and on certain songs, constant organ swirls above the guitars.

 

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