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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 12:58 PM
Consider...

The fundamental question that the Obama Administration has never answered is a simple one: How can they treat 50 million new patients with no extra doctors?

A new report from the American Association of Medical Colleges underscores the urgency of this concern. The Association notes that the United States now suffers from a shortage of 15,000 doctors - a shortfall that is expected to grow to 125,000 in fifteen years. And, the Association reports, if universal health insurance is passed, the shortage will grow to over 150,000 by 2025.

While the number of elderly people in the U.S. is expected to grow by 60% over the next decade and a half, the number of doctors will increase by only about 6%. (Total U.S. population will rise by about 17% over the same period).

This shortage of doctors will, inevitably, lead to the rationing of medical care, more quickly and drastically if the Obama plan is passed. In Massachusetts, where universal health coverage was enacted in 2006, the Medical Society found that the number of patients who reported difficulty in getting care has already risen by 50% up to a quarter of the patient population. The New York Times reports that "a main reason for the logjam was long waiting times for appointments."

In 1949, when President Harry Truman first proposed mandatory health insurance, he coupled his initiative with an expansion of federal aid to medical schools. But Obama makes no provision for an expansion of the pool of doctors, even as he grows the population of patients by up to 50 million.

Indeed, by cutting medical fees by dropping the reimbursement rates under Medicare, he likely will hasten the retirement of many medical professionals worsening the underlying shortage. The Times quotes medical experts as predicting that the three years specified in the House bill as the time by which universal health insurance coverage will take effect "is not nearly enough time to build the supply of doctors needed to care for the additional tens of million of people who would become newly insured."

Because there will not be enough doctors, nurses, and medical equipment for the massive influx of patients under the Obama plan, there will be rationing, more draconian year after year. As in Canada, it is this fundamental discrepancy between the number of patients and the population of doctors that will lead to rationing. From there, the inevitable consequence will be cutbacks in care for the elderly. Optional procedures, vital to quality life but not to survival, are likely to be limited. Hip replacements, new knees, hearing aids, and such are less and less likely to be approved. And, medical administrators will be less likely to OK surgery or expensive medical treatments for the elderly who they perceive to be at the end of their "quality" years.

It is the shortage of doctors, not any specific language in the text of the legislation, that makes rationing and the so-called "death panels" cited by Sarah Palin inevitable.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 01:05 PM
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Thanks Dick Morris.

Why not credit the author? You used to, now you're embarrassed?


And people wonder why we read and watch things by the opposition. Good catch.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 01:07 PM
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Thanks Dick Morris.

Why not credit the author? You used to, now you're embarrassed?


Because you'll conveniently dismiss the article out of hand instead of address the very accurate assertions therein precisely as you have done. Don't you ever get tired of proving my points?

 

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If what the author says is true, then no healthcare reform would work. It is a part of the Republican Party stance on healthcare that they believe in achieving affordable healthcare insurance for every American. Accoding to Mr. Morris, that's not possible in any way shape for form if there aren't enough doctors to do the job, so...

...we now return you to the current private insurance rationing in progress at your local doctor's office and hospital.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 01:32 PM
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Thanks Dick Morris.

Why not credit the author? You used to, now you're embarrassed?


Because you'll conveniently dismiss the article out of hand instead of address the very accurate assertions therein precisely as you have done. Don't you ever get tired of proving my points?

We conveniently dismiss anything you post regardless of the source. But the fact that you have to conceal the source in order to make it more credible speaks VOLUMES.


What speaks volumes is your consistent inability to rebut any of my, OR Mr. Morris', assertions regarding the empty suit who now occupies the Whitehouse. That you consistently fall back on impotent attempts at ridicule likewise speaks volumes.

Care to rebut the assertions in the essay? Could you if you tried? Or would you prefer to merely prove, yet again, that you've got nothing? Where are the doctors going to come from? Mandatory public medical service? Drafting bright young kids to be doctors against their will? Conscription?

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 01:40 PM
The last sentence of the piece removed the article from the relm of qualifying for serious discussion.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 01:44 PM
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The last sentence of the piece removed the article from the relm of qualifying for serious discussion.


The article itself is using a negative in an attempt to prove a negative. If Obama had never become President or before one word of healthcare reform legislation was written there would still be a shortage of doctors according to the numbers it uses.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 01:46 PM
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Thanks Dick Morris.

Why not credit the author? You used to, now you're embarrassed?


Because you'll conveniently dismiss the article out of hand instead of address the very accurate assertions therein precisely as you have done. Don't you ever get tired of proving my points?


Thats because Dick Morris has zero credibility. He is a well known liar, just like you.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 03:59 PM
Fact is this, ask your own Dr if he/she supports this garbage. They don't and they wont. There will be a shortage of Dr's as we have never seen in this country. The care for the elderly, infirm, the under age 5 will be greatly diminished. All part of obamas master plan to end this country as we know it...get rid of our Constitution and your rights. obama wants subjects not citizens....ha..not me hussein!

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 04:24 PM
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Fact is this, ask your own Dr if he/she supports this garbage. They don't and they wont. There will be a shortage of Dr's as we have never seen in this country. The care for the elderly, infirm, the under age 5 will be greatly diminished. All part of obamas master plan to end this country as we know it...get rid of our Constitution and your rights. obama wants subjects not citizens....ha..not me hussein!


I have. Several of them. I work in a hospital. All of them are for major reform.

Where do you work?

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 04:45 PM
Yep I'm in the diagnostic imaging equipment industry and I just saw a survery in the most recent Diagnostic Imaging magazine. 70% of the 200 Radiologists surveyed favor health care reform.

[Edited on 9/9/2009 by Peachypetewi]

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 05:07 PM
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It is the shortage of doctors, not any specific language in the text of the legislation, that makes rationing and the so-called "death panels" cited by Sarah Palin inevitable.
I'm with you Ann. When I saw the reference to Palin and death panels I knew the article was not worth my time.

[Edited on 9/9/2009 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 06:13 PM
Dick Morris' propaganda piece assumes that the nearly 50 million uninsured do not use doctors, or hospitals, and will suddenly flood the system once they become covered by a health care plan. He is either ignorant, or thinks we are. The logical conclusion to his nonsense is that since we don't have the doctors and nurses to treat all these new patients, we better not give them coverage. Let them do without health care.

I find it hard to believe there is anyone so ignorant they can't see through Dick Morris' childish rants, but that they would bring them here and parade them around in front of adults as if they have some kind of merit shows some serious mental health issues, in my un-professional opinion.

 

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Fact is this, ask your own Dr if he/she supports this garbage. They don't and they wont. There will be a shortage of Dr's as we have never seen in this country. The care for the elderly, infirm, the under age 5 will be greatly diminished. All part of obamas master plan to end this country as we know it...get rid of our Constitution and your rights. obama wants subjects not citizens....ha..not me hussein!



That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read here.

Even gina's wacky nonsense doesn't get to this level.

 

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Wow, not enough doctors. Maybe they should come up with some kind of school to train more of them. I don't know, maybe they could call it medical schools or something like that. Maybe all of those unemployed students coming out of collage might be able to go to one and get a job as a doctor instead of becoming unemployed. I don't know, that would make too much sense wouldn't it.
 

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Wow, not enough doctors. Maybe they should come up with some kind of school to train more of them. I don't know, maybe they could call it medical schools or something like that. Maybe all of those unemployed students coming out of collage might be able to go to one and get a job as a doctor instead of becoming unemployed. I don't know, that would make too much sense wouldn't it.


Good point.

Now if only they could afford to do 8 years of school without mortgaging the next 20 years of their lives to pay for it.

My son wants to go to med. school.

If he does, he'll be in debt for years while filling a need for the community.

 

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I've long thought if there was a program that would allow people wanting to be doctors to have their education paid for in return for providing free health care for communities of low income residents for say maybe, four or five years, then doctors would be able to walk away without the heavy school tuition burdons to start their practice and would be beneficial.

 

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I've long thought if there was a program that would allow people wanting to be doctors to have their education paid for in return for providing free health care for communities of low income residents for say maybe, four or five years, then doctors would be able to walk away without the heavy school tuition burdons to start their practice and would be beneficial.


nurses too

 

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Most definitely.....especially nurses!

 

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Wow, not enough doctors. Maybe they should come up with some kind of school to train more of them. I don't know, maybe they could call it medical schools or something like that. Maybe all of those unemployed students coming out of collage might be able to go to one and get a job as a doctor instead of becoming unemployed. I don't know, that would make too much sense wouldn't it.


Good point.

Now if only they could afford to do 8 years of school without mortgaging the next 20 years of their lives to pay for it.

My son wants to go to med. school.

If he does, he'll be in debt for years while filling a need for the community.

Ya but eventually he will have a yellow Ferrari and it will be alllll good.


Assuming he doesn't work himself to death trying to get one.

BTW, Derek has a Corvette obsession, had it since he was 8.

 

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I've long thought if there was a program that would allow people wanting to be doctors to have their education paid for in return for providing free health care for communities of low income residents for say maybe, four or five years, then doctors would be able to walk away without the heavy school tuition burdons to start their practice and would be beneficial.


I think they call that the Armed Forces.








All jokes aside, why isn't this being done?

Probably because it makes too much sense.

 

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  posted on 9/9/2009 at 09:25 PM
I thought about that when I was writing my scenario. You're right....and it's available already.

 

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