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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 06:07 PM
Recently one of the regulars began a thread that showed empathy, understanding, and compassion toward so-called trolls. It quickly degenerated into name-calling, etc. He swore off the WP.

I added a couple of posts, then swore off the WP as well.

Now the thread is gone. When I searched on a specific, and unusual, word that had appeared, I found nothing significant.

I PM'ed him and he had noticed this himself -- in other words, he hadn't snuffed it.

Either someone hacked a way to remove it, or someone with the authority to do so got rid of it. Regardless, the deletion of something that seemed to be an attempt at understanding or reconciliation says a lot about the character of the one who pulled it.

(I've since learned the story. I wish Rowland had handled it a bit differently, but I also see him and Lana as overseeing a lot of stuff that gets rowdy at times, and maybe pulling a plug is their approach. Sigh)

Billastro

[Edited on 8/31/2009 by Billastro]

 

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 06:43 PM
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Recently one of the regulars began a thread that showed empathy, understanding, and compassion toward so-called trolls. It quickly degenerated into name-calling, etc. He swore off the WP.

I added a couple of posts, then swore off the WP as well.

Now the thread is gone. When I searched on a specific, and unusual, word that had appeared, I found nothing significant.

I PM'ed him and he had noticed this himself -- in other words, he hadn't snuffed it.

Either someone hacked a way to remove it, or someone with the authority to do so got rid of it. Regardless, the deletion of something that seemed to be an attempt at understanding or reconciliation says a lot about the character of the one who pulled it.

As I said in my now-vanished post, I can't think of a reason to post in the WP any more. There's a hypocrite at work, and I have better things to do.

Billastro


Not the only one. I guess it's a good thing I kept my sig, because Lord Otie made sure he was sure to have his flaming meltdown hidden.
Maconga, I agree with you almost all the time, and usually the differences between us are style, not substance. Your sigfile (and I trust you on this) says a lot that's worth knowing.

It bugs the sh!t out of me that so many of the vicious posts continue to stand, while something that showed that "love is everywhere" disappeared.

The WP is sliding downhill, IMHO.

Billastro

 

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 06:46 PM
Really? Otie had a meltdown and I missed it.

And he swore off the WP, again?

He won't be able to stay away. He can't help himself. Plus this is where all of his friends are!

 

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 06:50 PM
You can probably thank me. I'm the weasel that reported a post by Frog. I said this is getting Fugly. I didn't ask Dug first. It was good intentioned thread that got totally trashed to the max, sickened Dug enough for him to say adios for awhile,and it sickened me. I don't miss the thread, not after what it morphed into.

 

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There were a few threads that ended up getting deleted. Billastro, I know the one of which you speak and it did start out with a good and thoughtful post .. nothing that would have flagged it for deletion (I would be sad to hear that the author of that post would conisder leaving the site since he's one of the really nice people here ). I do know that a lot of nasty stuff was being posted, there were a couple of new members that immediately began adding nasty posts to a lot of threads ... can't remember if they ended up 'participating' in the thread you refer to or not but do know that some they started are definitely removed. Anyway, I would guess that something got posted that was inappropriate and the admins decided to remove - as is their right (and by inappropriate I am not talking about differing opinions - I'm talking about name calling, vulgarities, etc). Sad that the post that initiated the thread you are talking about got removed with everything else because it was a good one but I'm guessing things got to a point that the only way to get things under control was removing entire threads - not parsing through individual posts and making deletions.

[Edited on 8/31/2009 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 07:12 PM
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Really? Otie had a meltdown and I missed it.

And he swore off the WP, again?

He won't be able to stay away. He can't help himself. Plus this is where all of his friends are!


You didn't miss anything, there was no meltdown and he didn't swear off the WP as far as I know.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 07:18 PM
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Recently one of the regulars began a thread that showed empathy, understanding, and compassion toward so-called trolls. It quickly degenerated into name-calling, etc. He swore off the WP.

I added a couple of posts, then swore off the WP as well.

Now the thread is gone. When I searched on a specific, and unusual, word that had appeared, I found nothing significant.

I PM'ed him and he had noticed this himself -- in other words, he hadn't snuffed it.

Either someone hacked a way to remove it, or someone with the authority to do so got rid of it. Regardless, the deletion of something that seemed to be an attempt at understanding or reconciliation says a lot about the character of the one who pulled it.

As I said in my now-vanished post, I can't think of a reason to post in the WP any more. There's a hypocrite at work, and I have better things to do.

Billastro


Not the only one. I guess it's a good thing I kept my sig, because Lord Otie made sure he was sure to have his flaming meltdown hidden.
Maconga, I agree with you almost all the time, and usually the differences between us are style, not substance. Your sigfile (and I trust you on this) says a lot that's worth knowing.

It bugs the sh!t out of me that so many of the vicious posts continue to stand, while something that showed that "love is everywhere" disappeared.

The WP is sliding downhill, IMHO.

Billastro


What a joke. Have you read Maconga's posts and their overt racist tinge. Go back and look at them. You agree with this racist crap and come on here saying you're a Christian. If you want a Christian environment take your friend Maconga over to Rush's site. Who are you to be lecturing anyone? If you two are what heaven is going to look like I'd rather be in h-ell.

 

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"I agree. Problem is - the ones who try to act like that are usually the ones who are 180 degrees the opposite when they get their tail feathers ruffled. That's when they start wishing death on you. I've certainly never done that, nor would I ever."

I think I'm going to throw-up. Drop the sig, your just trolling for trouble.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 07:54 PM
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You can probably thank me. I'm the weasel that reported a post by Frog. I said this is getting Fugly. I didn't ask Dug first. It was good intentioned thread that got totally trashed to the max, sickened Dug enough for him to say adios for awhile,and it sickened me. I don't miss the thread, not after what it morphed into.


I noticed it was gone, I had hoped it would have gotten back on track, but alas....

 

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 09:56 PM
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What a nice bunch we have here...

Maconga1, you've been banned three times and furthermore, just to shine some light on your delusions, you once emphatically told me to kill myself for the offense of pointing out your racist streak. It's impossible for anyone (you included) to judge where the troll act ends and the person begins.

jerryphilbob, you are an entertaining spectacle for us Earthers as at you demonstrate time and time again your dangerously paranoid tendencies, and your pathological dishonesty, with one hilariously-misguided stab after another.

Luke, who knows what your deal is?

and Bill... about the deleted posts, and the ongoing melodrama of swearing off the WP, then coming back to make dramatic stands against your imagined persecutors... I just don't think anybody cares.


you glib little snot.

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 10:19 PM
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You can probably thank me. I'm the weasel that reported a post by Frog. I said this is getting Fugly. I didn't ask Dug first. It was good intentioned thread that got totally trashed to the max, sickened Dug enough for him to say adios for awhile,and it sickened me. I don't miss the thread, not after what it morphed into.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I sure won't blame you. And no way would I consider you a weasel! You were right, IMHO, considering how fast the thread got the way it did (fugly is a great word ).

Rowland made the choice, but I wish he'd left the original statement, deleted all the flames, then locked the thread.

Billastro

 

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 10:24 PM
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What a nice bunch we have here...

Maconga1, you've been banned three times and furthermore, just to shine some light on your delusions, you once emphatically told me to kill myself for the offense of pointing out your racist streak. It's impossible for anyone (you included) to judge where the troll act ends and the person begins.

jerryphilbob, you are an entertaining spectacle for us Earthers as at you demonstrate time and time again your dangerously paranoid tendencies, and your pathological dishonesty, with one hilariously-misguided stab after another.

Luke, who knows what your deal is?

and Bill... about the deleted posts, and the ongoing melodrama of swearing off the WP, then coming back to make dramatic stands against your imagined persecutors... I just don't think anybody cares.


you glib little snot.

shut up.
I thought about responding, then scrolled down. There's no way I could match your concise eloquence, so I'll just thank you for beating me to the post!

Six words may have set a record.

Billastro

 

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  posted on 8/30/2009 at 10:29 PM
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What a nice bunch we have here...

Maconga1, you've been banned three times and furthermore, just to shine some light on your delusions, you once emphatically told me to kill myself for the offense of pointing out your racist streak. It's impossible for anyone (you included) to judge where the troll act ends and the person begins.

jerryphilbob, you are an entertaining spectacle for us Earthers as at you demonstrate time and time again your dangerously paranoid tendencies, and your pathological dishonesty, with one hilariously-misguided stab after another.

Luke, who knows what your deal is?

and Bill... about the deleted posts, and the ongoing melodrama of swearing off the WP, then coming back to make dramatic stands against your imagined persecutors... I just don't think anybody cares.


you glib little snot.

shut up.
I thought about responding, then scrolled down. There's no way I could match your concise eloquence, so I'll just thank you for beating me to the post!

Six words may have set a record.

Billastro


For once I agreed with Marc.

I thought he hit it on the nose.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2009 at 06:21 AM
Sorry.... I'm trying to keep up here.... So, this is thread that is devolving into a name calling slam fest about a deleted thread that devolved into a name-calling slam fest?



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Typical dumba#% liberal rant. When beaten (again), all people like you can do is cry "you're a racist, you're a racist."

Dumb, incorrect, ignorant & pathetic.

[Edited on 8/31/2009 by Maconga1]


The evidence of your insipid racism has been pointed out in a lot of your history. We could dredge it up if you like. But it doesnít appear youíre enough of a man to stand behind what you write.

And that is clearly why you probably beat that gay man senseless. That post is still there in your history. And you canít edit it out as you have no access to that account. That was pretty stupid now wasnít it? You committed a hate crime in Canada and you were stupid enough to post it on line and now you have to live with your stupidity.

Bill supports the substance of what you say. Bill wants to promote himself as a Christian on this site I presume to increase his credibility. He should be able to reconcile you beating people senseless because of their lifestyle and your continuous racist commentary with Christianity. He hasn't responded and so I assume he supports this hate filled Christianity.




 

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What a nice bunch we have here...

Maconga1, you've been banned three times and furthermore, just to shine some light on your delusions, you once emphatically told me to kill myself for the offense of pointing out your racist streak. It's impossible for anyone (you included) to judge where the troll act ends and the person begins.

jerryphilbob, you are an entertaining spectacle for us Earthers as at you demonstrate time and time again your dangerously paranoid tendencies, and your pathological dishonesty, with one hilariously-misguided stab after another.

Luke, who knows what your deal is?

and Bill... about the deleted posts, and the ongoing melodrama of swearing off the WP, then coming back to make dramatic stands against your imagined persecutors... I just don't think anybody cares.


you glib little snot.

shut up.
I thought about responding, then scrolled down. There's no way I could match your concise eloquence, so I'll just thank you for beating me to the post!

Six words may have set a record.

Billastro


For once I agreed with Marc.

I thought he hit it on the nose.
This says more about you and Marc than about anyone here, including your basic reading comprehension.

I was concerned about the disappearance of a thread that presented "trolls" in a different light from the way a small number perceive them.

I stated that I saw no compelling reasons to keep posting here; this isn't the same as saying I won't post; the difference is easy to spot. I deleted the line because I've seen reasons to post here. Would you like me to reinstate it so you'll be able to grasp the subtlety better?

Mark seems to think I imagine persecutors. This interpretation is simply wrong. I'd have thought the same, and likely started this thread, even if I hadn't contributed to "Trolls are people".

I work in a library so I'm aware that there are many books to help with reading comprehension. You both might want to look at some of them so that you'll be able to understand better what some of us write

Billastro

 

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  posted on 8/31/2009 at 08:11 AM
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Sorry.... I'm trying to keep up here.... So, this is thread that is devolving into a name calling slam fest about a deleted thread that devolved into a name-calling slam fest?



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Pretty much

 

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  posted on 8/31/2009 at 08:17 AM
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Bill supports the substance of what you say. Bill wants to promote himself as a Christian on this site I presume to increase his credibility. He should be able to reconcile you beating people senseless because of their lifestyle and your continuous racist commentary with Christianity. He hasn't responded and so I assume he supports this hate filled Christianity.

This is about as ignorant and delusional a post as I've ever seen here. I don't know where your hostility and anger come from, but you have no idea what you're talking about. At least you're willing to display it here. My sympathy.

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  posted on 8/31/2009 at 08:34 AM
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Billastro
SLIDING downhill??? It's at the bottom of the hill and DIGGING a hole.

 

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This is about as ignorant and delusional a post as I've ever seen here. I don't know where your hostility and anger come from, but you have no idea what you're talking about. At least you're willing to display it here. My sympathy.

Billastro


You don't know how to respond I take it? Maconga's posts here are filled with his racist invectives and his attempts to show that liberals are hypocrites. That sums up his total contribution here.

These are your words.

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Maconga, I agree with you almost all the time, and usually the differences between us are style, not substance.


So you are into exposing hypocrisy. You found conservativism and Christianity at the same time and I assume they are linked which is typically the case on the right wing. So how does Christianity view the kind of verbal and physical violence displayed by Maconga and ilk? Is it a good thing? Is it a sin? Are the politics, religion and racism all connected in some way that we canít see? Enlighten us?

Or are you afraid a little of your own hypocrisy might be revealed?

 

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Billastro
SLIDING downhill??? It's at the bottom of the hill and DIGGING a hole.


Gregg Allman had some interesting comments about rednecks in a recent radio interview. He stretched a pretty broad canvas in a few words but it is clear what group he was referring too.

Right wing fanatics in the WP are not minding their manners. There are people here who are pointing out that when you visit someone's home it's a good idea not to p_iss all over the furniture. If conservatives want to spew their hate politics there is plenty of room on Rushís site. They can talk music here. Or talk politics from the stand point of ideas and theories which a number of conservatives here do.

 

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Dave's right, every decent thread gets hijacked by the same people saying the same things...there becomes so much chafe to separate from the wheat that it's work not fun, and I come here to get away from WORK.

But that's minor compared to the attitudes displayed which are 180 degrees opposite of the spirit of the band that hosts us.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2009 at 10:45 AM
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Of course it is, but it's always been that way, right? That's just the nature of the beast. It's designed to be a cesspool so why even bother trying to clean it up? It's really not worth the energy or effort IMO.

Agreed. The WP is a cesspool by design.


Perhaps, but it wasn't always like it is now.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2009 at 10:48 AM
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Perhaps, but it wasn't always like it is now.
Agreed.

 

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Perhaps, but it wasn't always like it is now.
Agreed.

More peeps on the interwebs combined with a very angry political climate and noticeably less intervention by the admins would account for it I think.
Well, on the one hand, moderating this site would be a full time job, requiring three full time shifts, but I'm sure the pay for that is crap. Plus, the folks who make the most trouble just re-register with a new screen name. It's fighting a losing battle, unless they have a way of banning IP's, and even those change daily, don't they? It's a no win situation, and the troublemakers just keep coming back.

You know, people disagree all the time, and if everyone had the same mindset, life would be pretty boring. But what I'm tired of is the name calling and downright mean spirited behavior that goes on here all the time, and even on the AG forum. I'm fighting the urge to pick up my marbles and leave this place. Luckily, there are more good folks than bad here, but the bad ones really make this place less than desirable to hang out at. After all, this is a music website. Just my opinion.

 

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