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  posted on 8/20/2009 at 07:44 PM
After reading RBKs latest post, among others, I have come to the conclusion that conservatives live in a fantasy world. In that world everything is just hunky dory if you just give it the old college try. There is no inequality, no one is kept down in order to provide cheap labor, corporations don't control politics, all people are equal in every way. To believe that is insane by any definition of the word.

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  posted on 8/20/2009 at 08:55 PM
Of course conservatives are not insane. They have a set of values not unlike their liberal counterparts. Both parties just have different ideas about how to promote those values. Generalizing to an entire group by the action sof a few would seem to be at the very least misguided, and at the worst downright ignorant. Which are you two?

 

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  posted on 8/20/2009 at 09:05 PM
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After reading RBKs latest post, among others, I have come to the conclusion that conservatives live in a fantasy world. In that world everything is just hunky dory if you just give it the old college try. There is no inequality, no one is kept down in order to provide cheap labor, corporations don't control politics, all people are equal in every way. To believe that is insane by any definition of the word.


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  posted on 8/20/2009 at 09:11 PM
The left and right wing extremists on both sides are all A-Holes and everyone in the middle are the ones who suffer IMO.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2009 at 09:36 PM
Looks like he succeeded..........

 

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  posted on 8/20/2009 at 10:47 PM
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I would say it's more of a self-centered world with little regard for the status quo. To insist upon less government is to embrace self-sufficiency, which is a fine thing so long as you're taking care of the collective underprivileged at the same time.


That was my point. To not see, or acknowledge that there are those who for whatever reason, childhood abuse, lack of intelligence, or any other reason cannot compete in a system of every man for himself, is so self centered and out of touch with reality that he could be considered insane. They have no compassion for other people.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2009 at 07:26 AM
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I would say it's more of a self-centered world with little regard for the status quo. To insist upon less government is to embrace self-sufficiency, which is a fine thing so long as you're taking care of the collective underprivileged at the same time.


That was my point. To not see, or acknowledge that there are those who for whatever reason, childhood abuse, lack of intelligence, or any other reason cannot compete in a system of every man for himself, is so self centered and out of touch with reality that he could be considered insane. They have no compassion for other people.

That's total BS. Here in the Great State of Texas I'm surrounded by conservatives on all sides, and to say they are all self centered and have no compassion for others is the same as saying all African Americans like fried chicken. With statements like that you cast yourself in the exact same level of class and relevance as RBK; merely two sides of the same coin.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2009 at 07:32 AM
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That was my point. To not see, or acknowledge that there are those who for whatever reason, childhood abuse, lack of intelligence, or any other reason cannot compete in a system of every man for himself, is so self centered and out of touch with reality that he could be considered insane. They have no compassion for other people.



Totally and utterly absurd. Yeah, no conservatives have started charitable foundations or given tons of money and time to the less fortunate. They are all just a pack of greedy ingrates who show no compassion. What other sweeping generalizations can we make.....all liberals are do nothings who suck off the government tit (sarcasm, in case you didn't notice). Come on dude, use your head.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2009 at 10:10 AM
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Of course conservatives are not insane. They have a set of values not unlike their liberal counterparts. Both parties just have different ideas about how to promote those values. Generalizing to an entire group by the action sof a few would seem to be at the very least misguided, and at the worst downright ignorant.
Agreed. On all points. And I'm guessing that nobody, here or anywhere, wishes RBK to serve as their spokesperson or poster boy - 'conservative' or otherwise.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2009 at 10:19 AM
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After reading RBKs latest post, among others, I have come to the conclusion that conservatives live in a fantasy world. In that world everything is just hunky dory if you just give it the old college try. There is no inequality, no one is kept down in order to provide cheap labor, corporations don't control politics, all people are equal in every way. To believe that is insane by any definition of the word.


That's what RBK says. You will never see a true thinking conservative on this board defend him. He is out there with the purpose of being as irritating as he can be.


As you all know, I have strong conservative leanings, mostly on fiscal issues, not idealogical. I get more toward a Libertarian position there. My sanity is questionable for other reasons. I cannot defend RBK or the tactics he employs. He is no more valid than some nutjob carrying a gun to a health care rally. SO, I agree with Otie on this point. Write that one down.

RBK is not my spokesperson, for sure.

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  posted on 8/21/2009 at 11:36 AM
"I believe Communism is the best solution for third world countries." - Lespaul58

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  posted on 8/21/2009 at 11:44 AM
I tend to define the various factions into about four parts. There is the right wing....the republicans, democrats and then the far left. The republicans and democrats are the two that have similar objectives and thoughts about how to run the country even if they differ in how to bring about changes. There can be a meeting of the minds between the two. The right wing and far left are in place to counterbalance each other and neither will ever agree about anything. That's the way I personally see it playing out.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2009 at 12:05 PM
I was wrong to make such a an overstated thread title. Still, when I read post, besides RBK's, that make such disconnected to reality statements that "if everyone would just get a job they'd get health care" or "the Kennedy's always get their way" I do wonder about the ability to reason of the right wing. I hope I didn't offend people l;ike FugiRich who always has well thought out posts, although I personally think his basic premise is wrong. Yes we have a terrible govt but isn't that because the right has led people to expact and demand no more?
 

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  posted on 8/21/2009 at 04:12 PM
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The left and right wing extremists on both sides are all A-Holes and everyone in the middle are the ones who suffer IMO.


You got that right. But in the end we still elect the president and we can still stop radicalism on both sides from happening and we do, time and time again.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2009 at 04:15 PM
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After reading RBKs latest post, among others, I have come to the conclusion that conservatives live in a fantasy world. In that world everything is just hunky dory if you just give it the old college try. There is no inequality, no one is kept down in order to provide cheap labor, corporations don't control politics, all people are equal in every way. To believe that is insane by any definition of the word.

I would say it's more of a self-centered world with little regard for the status quo. To insist upon less government is to embrace self-sufficiency, which is a fine thing so long as you're taking care of the collective underprivileged at the same time.


Some of us want smarter government. A great example is welfare reform. Most conservatives do not oppose the idea of a social safety net. But the perverse incentives simply created a permanent under class on the dole. This is what most conservatives, particularly neo-conservatives, wanted reformed, the incentives. They were attacked as mean or heartless but in my opinion it is the welfare advocates who are heartless. Gove a man a fish and he eats for the day. Teach him to fish an he eats for a lifetime. This is not a classically conservitive idea. RFK embraced it as did most liberals 40 years ago. But it has now become considered "right wing"

 

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I would say it's more of a self-centered world with little regard for the status quo. To insist upon less government is to embrace self-sufficiency, which is a fine thing so long as you're taking care of the collective underprivileged at the same time.


That was my point. To not see, or acknowledge that there are those who for whatever reason, childhood abuse, lack of intelligence, or any other reason cannot compete in a system of every man for himself, is so self centered and out of touch with reality that he could be considered insane. They have no compassion for other people.


Please find a conservative who believes there should be no social safety net and people with misfortune should be left to fend for themselves.

 

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I tend to define the various factions into about four parts. There is the right wing....the republicans, democrats and then the far left. The republicans and democrats are the two that have similar objectives and thoughts about how to run the country even if they differ in how to bring about changes. There can be a meeting of the minds between the two. The right wing and far left are in place to counterbalance each other and neither will ever agree about anything. That's the way I personally see it playing out.


You left out the "moderates" far and away the largest of the factions.

 

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You left out the "moderates" far and away the largest of the factions.



Those are the republicans and democrats in the middle I was referring to.

 

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I would say it's more of a self-centered world with little regard for the status quo. To insist upon less government is to embrace self-sufficiency, which is a fine thing so long as you're taking care of the collective underprivileged at the same time.


That was my point. To not see, or acknowledge that there are those who for whatever reason, childhood abuse, lack of intelligence, or any other reason cannot compete in a system of every man for himself, is so self centered and out of touch with reality that he could be considered insane. They have no compassion for other people.


Please find a conservative who believes there should be no social safety net and people with misfortune should be left to fend for themselves.

A conservative here said just the other day, something to the effect of "Get off your butt and get a job like everyone else". I woulda quoted accurately if I could find the post.


I meant a serious pundit type conservative or an elected conservative not some random right wing guy on a web site.

 

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  posted on 8/24/2009 at 02:05 PM
What definition of sociopathic are you using?

How do you know that the conservatives on this board or anywhere else, lack a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience? Just because they do not want the government involved in many things does not mean they are not doing things in their personal lives to make society a better place

 

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What definition of sociopathic are you using?

How do you know that the conservatives on this board or anywhere else, lack a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience? Just because they do not want the government involved in many things does not mean they are not doing things in their personal lives to make society a better place


Jim, I think you are absolutely batsh!t crazy.





































 

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  posted on 8/24/2009 at 02:12 PM
Some of the conservatives I know and have talked to seem to want to pick and choose where they want the government involved and usually it's other people's lives that are affected. That's what ticks me off.....lack of continuity of conviction.

 

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  posted on 8/24/2009 at 02:12 PM
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Jim, I think you are absolutely batsh!t crazy.


As long as you donít call me conservative!! I donít like the whole evangelical, Palinesque, sociopathic stigma attached!! I just want to be left alone! Crrrrap, that would be exhibiting anti-social behavior, a trait of sociopaths.

 

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Jim, I think you are absolutely batsh!t crazy.


As long as you donít call me conservative!! I donít like the whole evangelical, Palinesque, sociopathic stigma attached!! I just want to be left alone! Crrrrap, that would be exhibiting anti-social behavior, a trait of sociopaths.


See, I told you. Effin out of your gourd.

 

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I would say it's more of a self-centered world with little regard for the status quo. To insist upon less government is to embrace self-sufficiency, which is a fine thing so long as you're taking care of the collective underprivileged at the same time.


That was my point. To not see, or acknowledge that there are those who for whatever reason, childhood abuse, lack of intelligence, or any other reason cannot compete in a system of every man for himself, is so self centered and out of touch with reality that he could be considered insane. They have no compassion for other people.


Please find a conservative who believes there should be no social safety net and people with misfortune should be left to fend for themselves.

A conservative here said just the other day, something to the effect of "Get off your butt and get a job like everyone else". I woulda quoted accurately if I could find the post.


I meant a serious pundit type conservative or an elected conservative not some random right wing guy on a web site.


None of them have real jobs.

 

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