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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 04:19 PM
It appears it's not so much the right that is rebelling, but the working and middle class center. And it clearly seem that a lot of American identify with many of their angry fellow citizens at these townhall meeting. And the liberal left (as usual) doesn't seen to get it, so entralled are they in the worship of everything that is Obama.

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The Right’s Rebellion
Posted on August 17th, 2009 by Patrick J. Buchanan

What happened to the Age of Obama?

Glancing over the New York Times Book Review Sunday, one finds three of the top four non-fiction best-sellers were written by conservatives — columnist Michelle Malkin, talk-show host Mark Levin and Fox News contributor Dick Morris.

At No. 10, in its 40th week on the list, is Bill O’Reilly’s memoir.

No. 1 best-seller in paperback: Glenn Beck’s “Common Sense.”

Moreover, the altarpiece of the transformational presidency, universal health insurance, is on life support, as huge crowds pour into town hall meetings to denounce it. Responding to the protests, the Obamaites have dumped the end-of-life counselors (aka “Death Panels”) and declared the government option expendable.

But what are we to make of these “evil-mongers” of Harry Reid’s depiction, these “mobs” of “thugs” organized by K Street lobbyists and “right-wing extremists” who engage in “un-American” activity at town hall meetings? Surely, all Americans must detest them.

To the contrary. According to a Pew poll, by 61 percent to 34 percent, Americans think the protesters are behaving properly. Gallup found that by 34 percent to 21 percent Americans identify with them. For these folks at the town hall meetings are not overprivileged Ivy League brats seizing campus buildings and holding the dean hostage. They look and talk just like them.

What President Obama is losing is not the far right but the center of the country. Nor is this the first time liberals have misread America.

During the 1968 Democratic convention, liberals sided with the antiwar demonstrators in Grant Park. And the country sided with the Chicago cops who went into the park and gave them a good thrashing.

In 1969, the national press was writing that President Nixon must yield to the hundreds of thousands ringing the White House. Nixon went on national TV to call on the Silent Majority to stand by him.

They did, for four years.

One recalls Sen. Ed Muskie blurting out, after being crushed in the Florida primary by George Wallace, that he didn’t know there were that many racists in Florida. That was the end of Ed. And in the fall, the Floridians flooded to Nixon, who did not insult them.

After Nixon rolled up his 49-state triumph, Pauline Kael, movie critic at the New Yorker, is said to have expressed disbelief: “I don’t know how Nixon won. No one I know voted for him.”

George H.W. Bush never saw the rebellion of 1992 coming and watched Ross Perot waltz off with a third of his 1988 voters.

The anger in Middle America today looks much like what erupted in the NAFTA debate of 1993 and the amnesty debate of 2007.

The difference: Republican leaders stood with Washington then, for NAFTA and amnesty. This time, the party leaders are with the people, and should do the people’s will.

Seven months into the Age of Obama, the GOP has been given an opportunity to regain the allegiance of the voters John McCain lost with his embrace of NAFTA and amnesty, and his dash to Washington to convince Republicans to give Hank Paulson $700 billion to bail out Wall Street.

For these protesters are not so much being drawn to the GOP as being driven to it. The manic assaults by Democrats and liberal commentators and columnists on the protesters as “un-American,” “birthers,” “racists,” “mobs” and “evil-mongers” has enraged and united them and cost Obama much of his support in Middle America

Does the left not realize that, while four in five Republicans say the protesters are behaving appropriately, 64 percent of moderates and 40 percent of Democrats agree with those Republicans?

We are also learning that Republicans have not been hurt by their opposition to the stimulus bill or cap-and-trade. The country has come to agree with the GOP.

Nor was the party hurt when, by four to one, its senators voted against Ms. Affirmative Action, Sonia Sotomayor. Nor was it hurt by standing with Sgt. Crowley when Obama rushed to denounce the Cambridge cop for acting “stupidly” in arresting the Harvard professor who got in his face. Obama’s support among Africans-Americans remains solid. His support among the white working and middle class is sinking.

Increasingly, Obama is being perceived as a man of the left and Republicans as the bulwark against a lurch to the left. Democrats may denounce Republicans as the Party of “No” — but the nation seems to be saying “Yes” to the Party of “No.”

In his new memoir, Encounters, conservative scholar Dr. Paul Gottfried writes of a 1993 gathering, hosted by this writer, where libertarian legend Murray Rothbard, columnist Sam Francis and that founding father of postwar conservatism, Dr. Russell Kirk, went at it over the role of the populist right in the conservative movement.

Though they vehemently disagreed, each man represented an essential element of a center-right coalition. As for the protesters, surely Thomas Jefferson was more right than Harry Reid, when he wrote to James Madison, “A little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.”

 
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And the liberal left (as usual) doesn't seen to get it, so entralled are they in the worship of everything that is Obama.



Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 04:39 PM
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Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.


Oh come on Bhawk, everybody knows that you're the Whipping Post chapter President of the Obama Analingus Society (OAS). Everything Obama does you think is "peachy damn keen".

 

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And the liberal left (as usual) doesn't seen to get it, so entralled are they in the worship of everything that is Obama.



Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.


And disagreeing with Democrats and Liberals is not based on any thought out reasoning. It just couldn't be based on anything substantive.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 04:50 PM
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Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.


Oh come on Bhawk, everybody knows that you're the Whipping Post chapter President of the Obama Analingus Society (OAS). Everything Obama does you think is "peachy damn keen".


I don't think the chapter President likes to be disagreed with much.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 04:53 PM
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Is there a more overtly evil figure in recent American political history than Pat Buchanon?


Why because he doesn't kiss Israel's ass. Good for him. America would be much better off dumping this parasitic, greedy nation, as she seems "hellbent" on becoming the Jewish version of the Third Reich. Gaza was pretty much a Jewish version of the "Kristallnacht". Btw, you know in about twenty years the Arabs and the Palestines are going to be the MAJORITY population in Israel proper. Should be interesting to see how the "Jewish homeland" holds up without becoming an apartheid nation. In addition, the way the American economy is going I think the days of Uncle Sam sending his little Jewish Princess a "fat check" every year may be coming to an end. People are starting to get "hip" to AIPAC's agenda.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 04:57 PM
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Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.

Oh come on Bhawk, everybody knows that you're the Whipping Post chapter President of the Obama Analingus Society (OAS). Everything Obama does you think is "peachy damn keen".
This constant 'Messiah worship' BS that a handful of folks on this site cannot resist including in just about everything they post is boorish and immature. Anyone wanting to share ideas with others but first insisting on slapping a portion of their intended audience in the face should not be surprised when nothing they say or post is taken seriously. I'm with you, Jerry ... got to that sentence and immediately thought - oh ... one of THEM ... this again ... and read no further. Because when I see the conversation start with that crap I just figure I've heard it all before, that there will be nothing of substance following it, and that whatever does come next will be more of the crazy stuff that's been overly published lately. My experience is that people stoop to insults and name-calling when they have nothing of substance to give and/or lack the intelligence to get their point across in another more civil manner.

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 05:03 PM
Bucannon is a Nazi, there's no secret about that. In effect, all republicans are. The democrates are bad enough but to be to the right of them is pure fascism.
 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 05:09 PM
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Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.

Oh come on Bhawk, everybody knows that you're the Whipping Post chapter President of the Obama Analingus Society (OAS). Everything Obama does you think is "peachy damn keen".
This constant 'Messiah worship' BS that a handful of folks on this site cannot resist including in just about everything they post is boorish and immature. Anyone wanting to share ideas with others but first insisting on slapping a portion of their intended audience in the face should not be surprised when nothing they say or post is taken seriously. I'm with you, Jerry ... got to that sentence and immediately thought - oh ... one of THEM ... this again ... and read no further. Because when I see the conversation start with that crap I just figure I've heard it all before, that there will be nothing of substance following it, and that what follows will be some of the crazy stuff that's been overly published lately. My experience is that people stoop to insults and name-calling when they have nothing of substance to give and/or lack the intelligence to get their point across in another more civil manner.


I agree with you. But what do you think about the other side of it? Conservatives being told their views are not their own, manufactured, or unjustified in some way. Or racists, nutjobs, dittoheads, extremists, that are told what to think by Glenn Beck? Or that they just "don't like" liberals? I'd bet that conservatives put every bit as much thought and life experience into solidifying their views as Liberals do, but the left often tries to win the discussion at the outset by discrediting that premise.

 

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I agree with you. But what do you think about the other side of it? Conservatives being told their views are not their own, manufactured, or unjustified in some way.
I don't think much of it. I guess I haven't noticed threads being started in that manner - 'you are a conservative so your ideas mean nothing'. Has that happened here? I HAVE however read threads that are titled and begin with this Kool-Aid drinking Messiah worshiper stuff and then proceed to attempt to make an anti-liberal point or say something crazy about somebodies birth certificate.

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Or racists, nutjobs, dittoheads, extremists, that are told what to think by Glenn Beck? Or that they just "don't like" liberals? I'd bet that conservatives put every bit as much thought and life experience into solidifying their views as Liberals do,
I would agree here ... and this is as it should be.
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but the left often tries to win the discussion at the outset by discrediting that premise.
And now you've lost me again. Because that's not what I'm observing here. And maybe I'm being dense - excuse me if that's the case - but I honestly do not recall any threads that immediately start out with the name-calling in thread titles. Can you provide an example?

 

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Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.

Oh come on Bhawk, everybody knows that you're the Whipping Post chapter President of the Obama Analingus Society (OAS). Everything Obama does you think is "peachy damn keen".
This constant 'Messiah worship' BS that a handful of folks on this site cannot resist including in just about everything they post is boorish and immature. Anyone wanting to share ideas with others but first insisting on slapping a portion of their intended audience in the face should not be surprised when nothing they say or post is taken seriously. I'm with you, Jerry ... got to that sentence and immediately thought - oh ... one of THEM ... this again ... and read no further. Because when I see the conversation start with that crap I just figure I've heard it all before, that there will be nothing of substance following it, and that what follows will be some of the crazy stuff that's been overly published lately. My experience is that people stoop to insults and name-calling when they have nothing of substance to give and/or lack the intelligence to get their point across in another more civil manner.


I agree with you. But what do you think about the other side of it? Conservatives being told their views are not their own, manufactured, or unjustified in some way. Or racists, nutjobs, dittoheads, extremists, that are told what to think by Glenn Beck? Or that they just "don't like" liberals? I'd bet that conservatives put every bit as much thought and life experience into solidifying their views as Liberals do, but the left often tries to win the discussion at the outset by discrediting that premise.



Around here, you get DerekFromCincinnati who always talks about the braid dead left. We have seen how sibwlkr talks. Several different people use the Messiah reference to Obama. Who in here on the left does that type of thing?


Here's a good example....I can't tell you how many times I've read a post by someone like Jim or Fuji, then consequently hear Hannity or Limbaugh say roughly the exact same thing at a later time. Hell, I've even done it. But those couldn't be our own thoughts, just right wing talking points. The implication is that we're too stupid to think on our own and form our own opinions. We have to wait to be "told how to think", and so on...

Sometimes the best reply you can get is, "Yeah, just keep listening to Rush." There's one poster here that believes the my entire thought process is based on not "liking" liberals. Well, whatever....

Maybe Rush, Sean, and Glenn come HERE to get THEIR talking points. Ever think of that?

 

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Maybe Rush, Sean, and Glenn come HERE to get THEIR talking points. Ever think of that?






They get them from DFC. I've aways known that.


Well, there you go.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 07:29 PM
Usually these political oriented threads/topics deteriorate as more opinions are made, but this was bad right out of the starting gate with the poster's negative broad brush stroke opinion which actually surprised me. Lost interest real quick. Just my 2 cents.

 

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I gave up on Pat after his speech at the 1992 convention. I think Molly Ivens put it best when she said, "It sounded better in its original German."
 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 09:25 PM
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I gave up on Pat after his speech at the 1992 convention. I think Molly Ivens put it best when she said, "It sounded better in its original German."
I remember that comment. It was funny at the time. I believe the focus was Pat's concern about the future threat illegal aliens and poor international trade policy posed to the nation. Now looking back, who called it correctly - Pat or his detractors?

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 10:12 PM
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Oh come on Bhawk, everybody knows that you're the Whipping Post chapter President of the Obama Analingus Society (OAS).


Fred, Fred, Fred. You've got your acronyms mixed up. I'm a "liberal piece of s**t," remember? You yourself came up with it. You can call me LPOS if you want.

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Everything Obama does you think is "peachy damn keen".


"Peachy damn keen?"

WTF does that even mean?

Yeah, that's what I say when people ask me about Obama. "Well, gee! I think he's peachy damn keen! 23 skidoo, daddy-o!"

 

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And the liberal left (as usual) doesn't seen to get it, so entralled are they in the worship of everything that is Obama.



Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.


And disagreeing with Democrats and Liberals is not based on any thought out reasoning. It just couldn't be based on anything substantive.


I don't worship Obama or anyone else. Please post substantive evidence to the contrary.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 10:17 PM
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Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.


Oh come on Bhawk, everybody knows that you're the Whipping Post chapter President of the Obama Analingus Society (OAS). Everything Obama does you think is "peachy damn keen".


I don't think the chapter President likes to be disagreed with much.


Nah. Say what you want. Free country, you know. Insinuating that I worship anyone is a lie. You guys seem to be getting awfully comfy with lies lately.

 

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Nah. Say what you want. Free country, you know. Insinuating that I worship anyone is a lie. You guys seem to be getting awfully comfy with lies lately.


Lately? Where you been?

 

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And the liberal left (as usual) doesn't seen to get it, so entralled are they in the worship of everything that is Obama.



Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.


And disagreeing with Democrats and Liberals is not based on any thought out reasoning. It just couldn't be based on anything substantive.


I don't worship Obama or anyone else. Please post substantive evidence to the contrary.


I've never gotten the impression that you worship Obama or anybody else. I think the whole "messiah" thing is overplayed.

 

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And the liberal left (as usual) doesn't seen to get it, so entralled are they in the worship of everything that is Obama.



Stopped right there. I don't worship anyone. Kiss my fat a$$.


And disagreeing with Democrats and Liberals is not based on any thought out reasoning. It just couldn't be based on anything substantive.


I don't worship Obama or anyone else. Please post substantive evidence to the contrary.


I've never gotten the impression that you worship Obama or anybody else. I think the whole "messiah" thing is overplayed.


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" For these protesters are not so much being drawn to the GOP as being driven to it. The manic assaults by Democrats and liberal commentators and columnists on the protesters as “un-American,” “birthers,” “racists,” “mobs” and “evil-mongers” has enraged and united them and cost Obama much of his support in Middle America"

This portion demonstrates the serious disconnect that democrats leaders have long displayed in this country. We haven't seen it recently because they only just got back in charge. It didn't take them long however. Their arrogance and elitism is apparently something they can't control. Their claim to be the "party of the people" is invariably debunked by their own actions. They have no one to blame but themselves yet at the moment they are running around blaming Republicans for democrat failures. Republicans who control NOTHING.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2009 at 02:13 PM
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Their arrogance and elitism is apparently something they can't control.
OK - here is something finally that, from the tone of your posts, you appear to know something about

 

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OK - here is something finally that, from the tone of your posts, you appear to know something about


Do you have an original thought in your head or did your communicative ability end at the point of adolescent girl snark?

 

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Their arrogance and elitism is apparently something they can't control.
OK - here is something finally that, from the tone of your posts, you appear to know something about


Do you have an original thought in your head or did your communicative ability end at the point of adolescent girl snark?


That's funny. Irony flies over your head like an F-15 on afterburners.


Why are obsessed with me, Johnnyboy? Why do you jump on my every post even when they are not even remotely directed at you? Have you no life?

 

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