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Under Obamacare she would have NEVER recieved treatment. At her age and condition, they would have never treated her. She would have died.



How do you reach this conclusion from the current version of the legislation?

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 08:35 AM
And you know this how?


Your fear of everything is astounding.


You have no idea how care will change under this plan - nothing in any bill says don't treat somebody because of their age or condition. You are making more wild ass assumptions that you are calling fact.

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 11:39 AM
I can't find any justification for validation of the thread title. My mother is 82, on Medicare with supplimental Blue Cross, she's all but paralized and totally bed bound and she's never been turned away for any procedure her doctor deemed necessary.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 11:48 AM
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My mother, a few years ago, was diagnosed with cancer. It was stage 4 and had mastecised. The doctors treated her like she was a dead person walking. They gave her no hope of recovery, and only 6 months to live.

Under Obamacare she would have NEVER recieved treatment. At her age and condition, they would have never treated her. She would have died.
Nice, jpb. You have now graduated to using your mothers unfortunate disease for ... what?!?!?! Something on your agenda ... sad. (btw, sorry your mother suffered but glad to hear she has made a recovery). Now - if you are going to make the type of inflammatory statements you've made above, how about some proof. Just where have you read that people in this country will be denied healthcare. If this is true I'm sure you wouldn't mind providing the proof. (btw - just need to say once again ... pretty sleezy using your mom like this ... maybe you need to be grounded from the computer for awhile)

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 11:52 AM
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Under Obamacare she would have NEVER recieved treatment. At her age and condition, they would have never treated her. She would have died.



How do you reach this conclusion from the current version of the legislation?


Yes, please explain.

And in case you think the current system in not broken...on 7/28/09 a friend of mine was admitted to the hosptial with a sudden paralysis of his legs. It was finally diagnosed that he had a bacteria that attacked his spine causing paralysis (spinal abcess).They are treating him with an antibiotic and he appears to be getting better. He has movent in his legs and with help actually stood for the first time yesterday for a tiny bit. He is now at a rehab center since 8/10/09. He just received word yesterday afternoon that his private insuruance company is going to drop him on 8/28/09. He is in his late-30s, healthy and has never had a claim beyond regular wellness maintenance before this, and yet his for profit insurance company has now deemed him to be too much of a risk/drain on their bottom line...just when he needs the insurance most (isn't this why we pay premiums, so the coverage we are paying for is there when we need it?). They have indicated that they might keep him on if he goes to a cheaper, yet-to-be-determined rehab facility, even though the facility he is at now is the one his docs said was the best place for him to be. This is not a "what if" scenario, this is actually happening today.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 11:56 AM
Iit's become increasingly obvious over the past few years, from my experience, that insurance companies are a money pit with a bad attitude when you need help. Once you pay them your money they tend to forget it's for a service. It's stories like your friens, gondicar, that convince me more than ever we need some kind of reform.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 11:57 AM
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Iit's become increasingly obvious over the past few years, from my experience, that insurance companies are a money pit with a bad attitude when you need help. Once you pay them your money they tend to forget it's for a service. It's stories like your friens, gondicar, that convince me more than ever we need some kind of reform.


And deny profit? GASP! TRAITOR!

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:09 PM
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I can't find any justification for validation of the thread title. My mother is 82, on Medicare with supplimental Blue Cross, she's all but paralized and totally bed bound and she's never been turned away for any procedure her doctor deemed necessary.


Sounds like your mom is getting the care she needs under the current setup.

 

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Yes she is.....and medicare is government run. The issue is how to insure the rest of the population who doesn't have insurance and because our our experience with the government run program, I don't have the same fear of 'socialized medicine' as people who haven't had the same experience we've had. And also, if you noticed, she has a combination of medicare and private pay.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:15 PM
Ok, this is it JPB... Everyone has watched you post your doom and gloom for days and days. Now, you are making absolutely incorrect claims (lies, if you will) about services that will be provided. Im asking you to do the right thing and provide the wording from the proposed legislation that shows someone with cancer would not be receiving the treatments they need.

Im afraid if you cannot do that, you owe the entire board an apology for the lies you are propagating on a daily basis. You are just as guilty of spreading misinformation/disinformation as our elected leaders and many on the Right.

Do the right thing and support your claims.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:17 PM
This is about control, not health care. My mother would have been denied under the Obama plan. Just look to Canada and England. Watch and learn, you won't get help in a timely manner. These aren't lies, they are facts. Take off the rose colored glasses and put the koolaid down for just a second and look at what they want for you. We have the best health care in the world, period. So lets destroy it, brilliant!

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:17 PM
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I can't find any justification for validation of the thread title. My mother is 82, on Medicare with supplimental Blue Cross, she's all but paralized and totally bed bound and she's never been turned away for any procedure her doctor deemed necessary.


Sounds like your mom is getting the care she needs under the current setup.

Indeed. The government is taking real good care of her.


If it works, don't fix it.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:23 PM
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Ok, this is it JPB... Everyone has watched you post your doom and gloom for days and days. Now, you are making absolutely incorrect claims (lies, if you will) about services that will be provided. Im asking you to do the right thing and provide the wording from the proposed legislation that shows someone with cancer would not be receiving the treatments they need.

Im afraid if you cannot do that, you owe the entire board an apology for the lies you are propagating on a daily basis. You are just as guilty of spreading misinformation/disinformation as our elected leaders and many on the Right.

Do the right thing and support your claims.


LOL. It is Obama that is the liar. He is leading you down the path to government run health care just like Canada and England, and those systems SUCK! Wake up and smell the socialism. If anything, you should be thanking me for helping you see the light. Your government is flat out lying to you about what they want for you. In small steps, they will control you, but you already know that, they already have complete control over the left nut wack jobs on the WP. It is middle america that is standing up to health care, not the far right. You are out of step with the majority and this Obamacare system could very well bankrupt our country. On top of that you are cheerleading for our destruction and doing their work for them, brilliant.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:27 PM
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I can't find any justification for validation of the thread title. My mother is 82, on Medicare with supplimental Blue Cross, she's all but paralized and totally bed bound and she's never been turned away for any procedure her doctor deemed necessary.


Sounds like your mom is getting the care she needs under the current setup.

Indeed. The government is taking real good care of her.


If it works, don't fix it.


Medicare is going to be bankrupt very very soon. Gotta do something.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:27 PM
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Tell us why she would have died. Come on, tell us.


They would have never treated her in a timely manner. NEVER. They would have given her pain killers and that would have been it. Did you watch the 20/20 clip? You wouldn't be asking this question if you did. WoW! I thought you were smarter than that, I guess I was wrong. You kool aid drinkers need to put that **** down before we don't have anthing left of our country. Sometimes you get what you deserve.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:28 PM
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Ok, this is it JPB... Everyone has watched you post your doom and gloom for days and days. Now, you are making absolutely incorrect claims (lies, if you will) about services that will be provided. Im asking you to do the right thing and provide the wording from the proposed legislation that shows someone with cancer would not be receiving the treatments they need.

Im afraid if you cannot do that, you owe the entire board an apology for the lies you are propagating on a daily basis. You are just as guilty of spreading misinformation/disinformation as our elected leaders and many on the Right.

Do the right thing and support your claims.


LOL. It is Obama that is the liar. He is leading you down the path to government run health care just like Canada and England, and those systems SUCK! Wake up and smell the socialism. If anything, you should be thanking me for helping you see the light. Your government is flat out lying to you about what they want for you. In small steps, they will control you, but you already know that, they already have complete control over the left nut wack jobs on the WP. It is middle america that is standing up to health care, not the far right. You are out of step with the majority and this Obamacare system could very well bankrupt our country. On top of that you are cheerleading for our destruction and doing their work for them, brilliant.


You can't do it. You can't back up what you claim, can you?

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:29 PM
If you are so worried about Obama's death panels, then by all means don't opt into the public option (assuming there will be one). Just maintain your private insurance or pay for care out of pocket, just like you always have. I suspect those without health coverage at all now are willing to take a chance on the new program.

And why distrust a salaried gov't employee for care decisions less than an insurance company employee whose bonuses may depend on minimizing costs, like we now have?

 

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Tell us why she would have died. Come on, tell us.


They would have never treated her in a timely manner. NEVER. They would have given her pain killers and that would have been it. Did you watch the 20/20 clip? You wouldn't be asking this question if you did. WoW! I thought you were smarter than that, I guess I was wrong. You kool aid drinkers need to put that **** down before we don't have anthing left of our country. Sometimes you get what you deserve.


I can't see video from work. Tell me. Tell me why in your own words why she wouldn't have been treated. I'm sitting in a hospital right now. Tell me what would happen.

 

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I can't find any justification for validation of the thread title. My mother is 82, on Medicare with supplimental Blue Cross, she's all but paralized and totally bed bound and she's never been turned away for any procedure her doctor deemed necessary.


Sounds like your mom is getting the care she needs under the current setup.

Indeed. The government is taking real good care of her.


If it works, don't fix it.



This is about finding ways to insure those in the country who have no insurance. That is the problem, that's what needs to be changed. The uninsured are costing taxpayers billions every year.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:35 PM
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My mother would have been denied under the Obama plan.
Asking once again (like many others here have) ... where is the proof of these statements you are making. Not seeing it so would like for you to explain in your own words why she would not receive care and what the source is of the facts that support your allegations.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:41 PM
The word is "metastasized", you spittle-flecked, moronic, lying bag of slime.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:45 PM
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If you are so worried about Obama's death panels, then by all means don't opt into the public option (assuming there will be one). Just maintain your private insurance or pay for care out of pocket, just like you always have. I suspect those without health coverage at all now are willing to take a chance on the new program.

And why distrust a salaried gov't employee for care decisions less than an insurance company employee whose bonuses may depend on minimizing costs, like we now have?


Exactly. It is crazy to freak out about a gov't takeover of healthcare. That is not what has been propsoed. It is also crazy to equate the healthcare policies of Canada and England with what Obama has proposed. They are not the same. The leaders of Obama's political oppostion have said all along that the substance of his plan is irrevelant to their desire to defeat it, and what we are seeing in jbp's posts and the other chicken little type stuff being tossed around is what happens when reality becomes secondary to political one-upsmanship.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2009 at 12:46 PM
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LOL. It is Obama that is the liar.


Uh huh. Meanwhile, show me where it says that people with cancer will not receive the treatment they require. Its simple. Show me.

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He is leading you down the path to government run health care just like Canada and England, and those systems SUCK! Wake up and smell the socialism.


LOL...you dont even know what socialism is. This aint it.

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If anything, you should be thanking me for helping you see the light.


By lying about what care the medical industry will supposedly provide?

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Your government is flat out lying to you about what they want for you.


So are you.

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In small steps, they will control you, but you already know that, they already have complete control over the left nut wack jobs on the WP. It is middle america that is standing up to health care, not the far right.


No, the far Right is doing everything possible to trash the ability to have a concensus on health care. They are providing misinformation to idiots like you who then come here and perpetuate the bullshiat despite reality.

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You are out of step with the majority and this Obamacare system could very well bankrupt our country. On top of that you are cheerleading for our destruction and doing their work for them, brilliant.


Gosh, and all this just since January! Think of it this way, maybe with Obamacare you will get the mental health care you desperately need.

 

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I can't find any justification for validation of the thread title. My mother is 82, on Medicare with supplimental Blue Cross, she's all but paralized and totally bed bound and she's never been turned away for any procedure her doctor deemed necessary.


Sounds like your mom is getting the care she needs under the current setup.

Indeed. The government is taking real good care of her.


If it works, don't fix it.


Medicare is going to be bankrupt very very soon.


Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, AMTRAK, Post Office, FNMA.....ALL mired in financial difficulty. Yet there are those that still contend an expanded national health care system will somehow be different. Sorry if I'm not buying it.

 

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