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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 09:15 AM


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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 09:24 AM
What's to spin? These numbers have been the same for quite some time.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 10:08 AM
I could care less. I find both networks, with some exceptions, annoying.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 10:49 AM
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These numbers have been the same for quite some time./quote]

what is interesting about bhawk's point is that yes, these numbers have been the same for awhile. yet, obama and democrats have steamrolled into office.

so what does that tell me? that foxnews preaches to the choir and that independents are not buying into what they are preaching.

radio land too. limbaugh and hannity are 1 and 2. did not matter in the last election.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 11:44 AM
Those figures for FOX tells me there are a lot of people out there who aren't thinking for themselves. When someone tries to diminish the impact Limbaugh, etc. have when they're spewing their lies, think about that number. Ignorance, in a lot of cases, isn't bliss.

 

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These numbers have been the same for quite some time./quote]

what is interesting about bhawk's point is that yes, these numbers have been the same for awhile. yet, obama and democrats have steamrolled into office.

so what does that tell me? that foxnews preaches to the choir and that independents are not buying into what they are preaching.

radio land too. limbaugh and hannity are 1 and 2. did not matter in the last election.


Obama has already lost the middle. If the election were held again, only 6 months late, he would lose for sure. What it shows me is that when you have 4 networks pushing the propoganda, you can easily pull a fast one over on the American public. I am pretty sure Obamas polling numbers are already lower than what Bushs were at this same time in his Presidency. Obama is losing control of the message and people are starting to think for themselves and aren't listening to the Networks anymore either. The propoganda machine is losing its punch.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 11:57 AM
just goes to show how many morons there are.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:00 PM
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Obama has already lost the middle. If the election were held again, only 6 months late, he would lose for sure.




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What it shows me is that when you have 4 networks pushing the propoganda, you can easily pull a fast one over on the American public. I am pretty sure Obamas polling numbers are already lower than what Bushs were at this same time in his Presidency.


Actually, Obama is slightly higher at this point.

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Obama is losing control of the message and people are starting to think for themselves and aren't listening to the Networks anymore either. The propoganda machine is losing its punch.


Will you make up your fecking mind? If the CFR takeover is inevitable, then how can this be? How can Obama lose the message when he's just a puppet? Isn't the CFR message bigger than him?

 

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These numbers have been the same for quite some time./quote]

what is interesting about bhawk's point is that yes, these numbers have been the same for awhile. yet, obama and democrats have steamrolled into office.

so what does that tell me? that foxnews preaches to the choir and that independents are not buying into what they are preaching.

radio land too. limbaugh and hannity are 1 and 2. did not matter in the last election.


Obama has already lost the middle. If the election were held again, only 6 months late, he would lose for sure. What it shows me is that when you have 4 networks pushing the propoganda, you can easily pull a fast one over on the American public. I am pretty sure Obamas polling numbers are already lower than what Bushs were at this same time in his Presidency. Obama is losing control of the message and people are starting to think for themselves and aren't listening to the Networks anymore either. The propoganda machine is losing its punch.


August 3, 2009
Obama Job Approval Edges Up to 56%Rating up from administration low point of 52% early last weekby Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- President Barack Obama's job approval rating, after hitting his administration low point of 52% in the middle of last week, has edged back up, and is 56% for the latest three-day period, July 31-Aug. 2.

Gallup measures Obama's job approval rating on a daily basis, and reports three-day rolling averages consisting of approximately 1,500 interviews. Obama's three-day average was 61% as recently as July 17-19 but began to drop thereafter, reaching the aforementioned low point of 52% from July 27-29, Monday through Wednesday of last week. The high point for Obama was the 69% average that was measured in late January, just after he took office.

Obama's current 56% rating is about average for the job approval ratings of all presidents Gallup has measured since 1945, and is roughly equal to the approval rating of his immediate predecessor, George W. Bush, in early August 2001 -- Bush's first year in office. Comparisons of Obama's current standing to that of other recent presidents in the summer of their first year in office are mixed. Obama is well above where Bill Clinton was at about the same time in the summer of his first year, but he is at least a few points behind the positions of George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Jimmy Carter at comparable times in their first year in the White House.

Obama has been prominent in news coverage of a number of different high-profile issues in recent days. Most visible has been Obama's full-court press on healthcare reform, in which he and his surrogates have taken every opportunity to make their case to the public -- actions that of course have been countered by strong reaction from Republicans and others who are opposed to the proposed massive changes in U.S. healthcare laws. Obama has also continued to address the nation's economic downturn and to tout the impact of his stimulus plan. He has been embroiled in controversy surrounding his public comments about the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Gates by the Cambridge, Mass., police. All of these are possible reasons for the decline in Obama's approval rating. Shifts in how these events are playing out to the public -- including the fact that the House Energy and Commerce Committee approved healthcare reform legislation, some more positive economic news, and Obama's "beer summit" with Gates and Cambridge police Sgt. Crowley on the White House lawn -- may help explain why his ratings have edged back up again.

The longer-term significance of the current uptick in Obama's ratings will not be known until it can be looked at in historical perspective. For those closely following day-to-day news cycles, however, the ups and downs in a president's job approval rating can be important indicators of the impact of various specific events on public support for the president. There has been a substantial amount of focus on Obama's job approval slide over the last week. The current data suggest that, at least for the moment, that slide has been arrested.

August will combine the usual downtime of a congressional recess and Obama's planned vacation (reportedly on Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts) with continuing and active politicking on the healthcare reform issue on both sides of the debate. The impact -- if any -- of all of this on Obama's job approval rating remains to be seen.

Survey Methods

Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,591 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted July 31-Aug. 2, 2009, as part of Gallup Poll Daily tracking. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is 3 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.



 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:01 PM
If Palin was still on the tickekt, my bet is that Obama would still win. As for poll numbers....Bush benefited from the Clinton legacy and then his approval rating skyrocketed after 9/11. The details lay in his approval rating when he left office....22 percent. After that Obama would naturally benefit from a hopeful nation looking for a quick fix to the problems that isn't there. Let's wait and see what the poll numbers show when Obama leaves office.

Comparing administrations, especially this early on, reminds me of the story about the runner who broke a speed record held for a long time by another runner. When informed that someone had broken his record, the man replied, 'Not in my shoes he didn't'

There are too many variables. The only way for an administration to be compared with another is if circumstances are identical. So, if Obama's poll numbers aren't the same as Bush's at this point in his presidency, so what. He's not having to run the race in the same shoes.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:05 PM
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What's to spin? These numbers have been the same for quite some time.


This is not new news. Been this way for a long time.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:07 PM
I doubt the people we're talking about even voted for Obama....if they voted at all.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:14 PM
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Will you make up your fecking mind? If the CFR takeover is inevitable, then how can this be? How can Obama lose the message when he's just a puppet? Isn't the CFR message bigger than him?


The CFR own the media, they already elected him? So what's your point. I believe the American people are starting to disregard the network propoganda machine. Just look at how they handled Hillary the other day, it was a misunderstaning? LOL. They own the media, period. They also would love to keep America divided. It is easier for them to get what they want to get done when we aren't united. They even have some at fox in their back pockets. They love the kool-aid drinkers and the sheep. More and more people are starting to wake up! Even democrats are showing discontent for this healthcare reform and are showing up at these town hall meetings. Heck, it's Obamas own party that he can't get on the same page as him, not the Republicans. Not even the media will be able to convince America that this healthcare is going to be cheaper and better than what they have now. But for sure, they are going to try.

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:21 PM
Most people are going on with their lives, and don't really need to or care to watch 24 hour news. It seems only the paranoid looking for something new to be afraid of are watching.....

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:24 PM
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Most people are going on with their lives, and don't really need to or care to watch 24 hour news. It seems only the paranoid looking for something new to be afraid of are watching.....


like I said...

morons.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:29 PM
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I'm sure you were just as far up Bush's butt after 1 month as you are now. In fact - I'll guarantee you that you were. You were too busy crying about your "Gore" not getting in, remember?


Exactly what is the statute of limitations for one to be upset and protest a stolen election?

 

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I'm sure you were just as far up Bush's butt after 1 month as you are now. In fact - I'll guarantee you that you were. You were too busy crying about your "Gore" not getting in, remember?


Exactly what is the statute of limitations for one to be upset and protest a stolen election?


All those ballots are still sitting in a Florida warehouse. Maybe someday someone will actually count all of them.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:40 PM
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What's to spin? These numbers have been the same for quite some time.


This is not new news. Been this way for a long time.


Dutch and I agree. The Earth just shook.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 12:50 PM
After their conscience decision to move far left, MSNBC has been dropped as a free channel by many cable providers and moved to a "pay" tier. This served to further erode what little audience MSNBC already didn't have. Personally I enjoy Olbermann because he's obviously insane. His frustration with reality is amusing to watch as is the terminally self-important Hermaphrodite who follows him.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 01:12 PM
Rachael Maddow is first and foremost an intelligent woman with a doctorate.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 01:22 PM
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Rachael Maddow is first and foremost an intelligent woman with a doctorate.


If Hermaphrodite is so smart, why is it the only jobs she can get are on ratings-less lefty propaganda outlets like MSNBC and Air America?

 

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Probably because she wants to work in those markets. You know, where people don't judge her on her sexuality.....where people respect her intelligence.....where people actually think for themselves.

And calling someone a Hermaphrodite says more about the person saying it than about the person being described.

 

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Probably because she wants to work in those markets.


A choir of 70,000 is a big market.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 01:30 PM
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Rachael Maddow is first and foremost an intelligent woman with a doctorate.
If Hermaphrodite is so smart, why is it the only jobs she can get are on ratings-less lefty propaganda outlets like MSNBC and Air America?
If RBK is so smart, why can he never seem to get folks names right? (Won't even go into the irony of a bigotted nightclub ad-man questioning the intelligence of a Rhodes scholar with a doctorate )

[Edited on 8/12/2009 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 8/12/2009 at 01:47 PM
I'll debate issues gladly, I'll even go one on one about opinions.....but when a person attacks another person for his or her race, gender or sexuality I have nothing to say and I won't waste a single brain cell on them.

 

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