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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 04:19 AM
What are some favorites of the less favorable years of the ABB? Listening from last.fm I enjoy Leavin' and Things You Used to Do and Heat is On aren't half-bad from Brothers of the Road.

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 05:04 AM
Madness of the West is a catchy instrumental in the league of "Pegasus" and "High Falls."

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 05:23 AM
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Madness of the West is a catchy instrumental in the league of "Pegasus" and "High Falls."


"Madness of the West" is tainted by Lawler's keytar...

Imho, neither of the two ABB albums from the 80's are worth the plastic they are pressed on. I was never in the habit of buying a CD or an album for one or two songs and if I did, I usually traded it in, the ABB are no different... These two records are terrible and sound nothing like the ABB at any other time in their recording career.. there isn't even one good "Blues" tune in the form of a "Stormy Monday" or "Jelly Jelly" on either album..

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 05:49 AM
I love never knew how much a man needed a woman (whatever the real name is) I play it on acoustic and chicks love it

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 05:58 AM
well the albums do suck compared to ABB standards but they aren't devoid of their own good music in their own right, albeit far and in between.

Madness in the west is pretty nice on the whole. Mike Lawler is just a sucky keyboard player, and his choice of timbres is very poor. If he would have used a minimoog instead of the liberation keytar, set a better patch and not bend the notes annoyingly, then it would be sweet.

Bend the notes annoyingly as in that he doesn't bend them soulfully, like a guitarist, he just bends them to bend them. If anyone's heard George Duke w/ Billy Cobham bend some notes on his mini, you'll see how that works.

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 06:52 AM
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Mike Lawler is just a sucky keyboard player, and his choice of timbres is very poor. If he would have used a minimoog instead of the liberation keytar, set a better patch and not bend the notes annoyingly, then it would be sweet.


That's a pretty ..BIG... . "IF"


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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 07:38 AM
I personally don't have a problem with Mike Lawler and the keytar. I don't think he used the keytar that much did he

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 08:53 AM
does anyone know whose idea it was to bring Lawler on board?.
 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 08:53 AM
I really like "The Judgement" from the Brothers album.
 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 09:00 AM
I had the Arista compilation a few years back on cd.

Absolutely hated it. Gave it away in disgust.


 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 09:37 AM
I like em ok...a nice diversion from the usual...remember, during those times, it was all about disco...the 'Bros were trying to survive....with that said, looking back, should have stayed with the blues. I saw some shows from that era and they were really great.

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 09:48 AM
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a nice diversion from the usual...


Tell me you listen to these albums in any type of rotation or regular basis and I'll buy you a "Sham-Wow"....Sh*t, I'll buy you 2 of 'em

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 09:52 AM
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it was all about disco...the 'Bros were trying to survive....with that said, looking back, should have stayed with the blues. I saw some shows from that era and they were really great.


Good point.
The shows I saw were great also during that time.

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 10:00 AM
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it was all about disco...the 'Bros were trying to survive....with that said, looking back, should have stayed with the blues. I saw some shows from that era and they were really great.


Good point.
The shows I saw were great also during that time.


Brings up a cool hypothetical...Maybe they should have canned the studio efforts and just released that material via a 2 record "live set" featuring most of the cuts from the 2 records...

Two birds with one stone

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 10:16 AM
I don't mind most of the Brothers Of The Road album, I happen to like Maybe We Can Go Back To Yesterday and Never Knew How Much I Needed You.

It's not the original Brothers that we all love, but for me at least it's listenable.

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 10:18 AM
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it was all about disco...the 'Bros were trying to survive....with that said, looking back, should have stayed with the blues. I saw some shows from that era and they were really great.


Good point.
The shows I saw were great also during that time.


Brings up a cool hypothetical...Maybe they should have canned the studio efforts and just released that material via a 2 record "live set" featuring most of the cuts from the 2 records...

Two birds with one stone


Probably the best thing that happened to them was that they called it quits...for a while.

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 10:33 AM
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I like em ok...a nice diversion from the usual...remember, during those times, it was all about disco...the 'Bros were trying to survive....with that said, looking back, should have stayed with the blues. I saw some shows from that era and they were really great.



I saw several shows from that period and I have the same opinion

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 11:14 AM
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"does anyone know whose idea it was to bring Lawler on board?."


I've always thought that he was forced on the band by the Arista. (He was also the producer)

The winds of popular music had changed and in order to make more $$$$$ Arista forced the ABB to give Arista some degree of "artistic control".

That way Arista could do to the ABB what record companies had previously done to the Doobie Brothers, the Eagles and Steely Dan.

All 3 of those groups had been "urbanized" to fit with the disco trend.

As others have said, I saw the band live during that period and they were good...*except* when Lawler would go berzerk with the keytar. Then it became very painful.

If he would have just stuck with piano and electric piano like Chuck Leavell did it would have been fine.

A synth solo..............on One Way Out.

WHAT...WERE....THEY...THINKING????????????


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The winds of popular music had changed and in order to make more $$$$$ Arista forced the ABB to give Arista some degree of "artistic control".


Wonder if Duane would have tolerated this "change"...he had already traveled this road in L.A.

Also wondering why no one in the Band just said NO....

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 11:55 AM
The two obvious "bad" albums, underlined the songs I like:

Brothers of the Road

Brothers of the Road 4:00
Leavin' 3:45
Straight from the Heart 3:46
The Heat Is On 4:12
Maybe We Can Go Back to Yesterday 4:42
The Judgment 3:41
Two Rights 3:30
Never Knew How Much (I Needed You) 4:26
Things You Used To Do 3:44
I Beg of You 3:24


Reach For The Sky

Hell & High Water 3:36
Mystery Woman 3:33
From the Madness of the West 6:36
I Got a Right To Be Wrong 3:43
Angeline 3:43
Famous Last Words 2:46
Keep On Keepin' On 4:09
So Long 6:55

Notice that Reach For The Sky I underline none. It also has the most hideous album cover on any ABB release. For some reason that kid looks like something from a horror movie to me, those eyes creep me.....

And lastly:

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Firing Line
High Cost of Low Living
Desdemona
Woman Across the River
Old Before My Time
Who To Believe
Maydell
Rockin' Horse
Heart of Stone
Instrumental Illness
Old Friend

I never play it and only two songs hold up for me. Desdemona is a masterpiece. I dig Who To Believe also for the riffs, not so much the lyrics. The rest ranges from alright to pretty bad (Heart Of Stone)............ Illness is beyond bad.




 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 12:00 PM
If you take the two Arista albums and put 'em together, you come up with a decent little album:

Brothers of the Road
Never Knew How Much
Leavin'
The Things You Used to Do
The Judgement
From the Madness of the West
Angeline
Mystery Woman
So Long
I Got a Right to be Wrong
Famouse Last Words
Maybe We Can Go Back to Yesterday

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 12:36 PM
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Madness of the West is a catchy instrumental in the league of "Pegasus" and "High Falls."


That's my fave from the two Arista albums. I can only listen to about two songs at a time from either album, then I have to put something else on.

 
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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 12:40 PM
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The two obvious "bad" albums, underlined the songs I like:

Brothers of the Road

Brothers of the Road 4:00
Leavin' 3:45
Straight from the Heart 3:46
The Heat Is On 4:12
Maybe We Can Go Back to Yesterday 4:42
The Judgment 3:41
Two Rights 3:30
Never Knew How Much (I Needed You) 4:26
Things You Used To Do 3:44
I Beg of You 3:24


Reach For The Sky

Hell & High Water 3:36
Mystery Woman 3:33
From the Madness of the West 6:36
I Got a Right To Be Wrong 3:43
Angeline 3:43
Famous Last Words 2:46
Keep On Keepin' On 4:09
So Long 6:55

Notice that Reach For The Sky I underline none. It also has the most hideous album cover on any ABB release. For some reason that kid looks like something from a horror movie to me, those eyes creep me.....

And lastly:

Hittin' The Note:

Firing Line
High Cost of Low Living
Desdemona
Woman Across the River
Old Before My Time
Who To Believe
Maydell
Rockin' Horse
Heart of Stone
Instrumental Illness
Old Friend

I never play it and only two songs hold up for me. Desdemona is a masterpiece. I dig Who To Believe also for the riffs, not so much the lyrics. The rest ranges from alright to pretty bad (Heart Of Stone)............ Illness is beyond bad.







Just goes to show that it's all about personal taste. I listened to all of HTN just the other day as I still love it, but, I did skip over Illness.

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 12:55 PM
I actually like the title track to Brothers of the Road. Not as much Lawler influence. The gang chorus isn't very ABB-like but it's the one tune I downloaded after I traded in the CD.

As for HTN, it got strong reviews and I think it has held up as well. I rate it about even with the 1990s albums. High Cost of Low Living is one of my favorite ABB songs. Not sure how ABB fans wouldn't appreciate Old Friend. Old Before My Time didn't translate to the big stage that well, but in the studio it is down right haunting. I agree about Desdemona being a classic. Firing Line is also a strong track and would be stronger if they had not faded it out during the harmony run. I love the middle theme in Illness but it is not one of my favorite ABB instrumentals. Not bad and Marc shines, but I agree it pales in comparison to their classics (wish they had built it off the middle section). The production on the album is amazing. You can hear every layer.

 

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  posted on 8/6/2009 at 01:30 PM
Don't forget WLorD -- a lot of songs on there get dumped on when this topic comes up -- LLMJohn has often been called their worst song ever -- Nevertheless & JALSong not far behind --

the ABB went from the penthouse in 1979 to the outhouse on the turn of a dime in 1980-81, as only the music biz can do it --

it must have Sucked! to apparently have no control over what was put out under their name in the Arista years -- if it was that bad they shouldn't have put out anything at all, if it was going to harm their reputation as much as people think those records did -- alas we all need $$ -- the business side of the music industry takes no prisoners...

 

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