Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread ><<  1    2    3  >>Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Some Obama Voters Start to Express Regret

Ultimate Peach





Posts: 3106
(3106 all sites)
Registered: 5/16/2008
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 07:17 PM
Well this is what's happening in my "neck of the woods", and I can only imagine that "down the road" in the 2010 Congressional elections, that a similiar effect willl be happening. Truth is, the honeymoon with "Obama" is over, and Democrats running for office are going to be put in a position of how much or how little they embrace Obama's positions. Have to say, at this point, many people who orginally supported Obama are somewhat disappointed with him.

quote:
Some Obama Voters Start to Express Regret
By Sandhya Somashekhar
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 4, 2009; 7:04 PM

The coffee was still brewing when Chris Ann Cleland got her first reminder of the day that voting for Barack Obama might have been a mistake.

The Prince William County real estate agent was sitting at a long wooden table covered with paperwork. Her clients, a young couple who had brought their 2-week-old baby, were finalizing a short sale on a townhouse that they were anxious to unload, even if it meant ruining their credit, because they had maxed out their credit cards trying to make the payments.

For Cleland, it was another example -- one of many this day -- of the broken promises of a president who she thought would be different. Obama pledged to change a Washington culture that favored corporations and the connected and lift families such as the one sitting next to Cleland out of their economic funk. Instead, she said, Obama handed billions of dollars to banks that continue to "act like they're broke" and started the country down a path that Cleland said she thinks will lead to more grief for the middle class.

"He's just not as advertised," she said. "Nothing's changed for the common guy. I feel like I've been punked."

There is no empirical evidence at this point in Virginia's race for governor showing that huge numbers of voters think like Cleland and will respond by sending a message to Washington. But Obama's policies are nonetheless having immediate consequences in the campaign, as the candidates adjust their strategies to account for the president's controversial domestic agenda, which has overshadowed many state issues.

The president will make his first appearance in the campaign Thursday, when he headlines a fundraiser for R. Creigh Deeds (D) in McLean, in part to try to help the state senator from Bath County win over wavering Democrats such as Cleland.

But Obama's entry into the race presents a challenge for Deeds: How does he continue the momentum created by Obama, the first Democratic presidential candidate in more than four decades to carry Virginia, without being saddled with the baggage the president now carries?

His answer has largely been to distance himself from the president's policies despite attempts by Republican Robert F. McDonnell to force him to take positions on issues such as unions, climate change and health care.

Deeds has declined to take firm stands, commending the administration's intentions to limit greenhouse gas emissions and expand health care but objecting generally to actions that would strain small businesses and families. He has also accused McDonnell of focusing too heavily on federal issues, declaring in a recent debate that "I'm not running for Congress." And he skipped two health-care town halls hosted by Obama in Virginia in recent weeks, saying it would be inappropriate to mix campaigning with White House policy initiatives.

Supporters of the president say his efforts will pay off for Deeds. But Republicans are gambling that many of Virginia's middle-of-the road voters, who have backed Democrats in recent races, will be up for grabs as people grow more skeptical of Democratic leadership.

"The mood is becoming just as lousy for the Democrats as it has been for us the last couple of years," said J. Kenneth Klinge, a longtime Virginia GOP strategist. "It's evening the playing field."

According to a Gallup poll last week, about 52 percent of Americans approved of Obama's job as president, the lowest number of his tenure. That number rose to 56 percent in the most recent poll but was down from an average of 61 percent early last month and 69 percent immediately after he took office in January

Stephanie Slater, 44, a neighbor of Cleland's who leans Republican, voted for Obama on the strength of his character and because of his positions on education, energy and health care. She recalled brimming with confidence after Obama's historic inaugural address.

"When he gave that speech that day, I was in awe. I was really inspired and thought, 'Wow, this is a guy who can do it,' " said Slater, a medical transcriptionist and mother of three.

But she has been disturbed by the large Wall Street bonuses that Obama doesn't seem to be able to halt and his inability to rein in credit card companies that raise rates even on those with good credit. Although she is trying to be patient, she said she is losing faith in the Democrats running Washington.

"Honestly, at this point, I have to say I'm worried. I haven't come across one person that seems to have been helped," she said. "If I don't see a spark, a light at the end of the tunnel, I may be voting Republican [for governor]."

Cleland, 39, is not so generous. Obama was supposed to help the everyman but instead he helped the banks and General Motors, she said. He was supposed to help homeowners keep their houses, but the primary federal effort in that direction, called Hope for Homeowners, has stalled. She said she has grown uneasy as government spending has seemingly grown out of control.

Despite voting for Democrats in the past three statewide elections, she is undecided about the governor's race.

Her disappointment with Obama persists when she returns home to her neighborhood, Tartan Hills Village, outside Manassas, where about 400 houses are arranged in neat rows along landscaped lanes with a Scottish theme -- Bonnykelly, Woolen Kilt, Rob Roy Way. Cleland said that under Obama's leadership, little has improved for struggling residents in this upper-middle-class enclave.

As president of the Tartan Hills homeowner's association, she has heard from many neighbors seeking a reprieve from their $100-a-month homeowner's dues because of job losses, skyrocketing mortgage payments and other problems. But Cleland tries to explain that, without the money, the pool contract would lapse, the cul-de-sac circles overflowing with crape myrtles and azaleas would brown and wither, and the grass would eclipse the footpath.

The most stark evidence of Obama's failure, as Cleland sees it, is at her job at Long and Foster. Her workload consists of short sales, an arduous and often unsuccessful real estate maneuver that makes her feel less like a salesman and more like a social worker or lawyer.

Too often, she said, she has seen banks turn down perfectly good offers. Each time, she researches the bank to find out how much its executives have made in bonuses, and each time she calls the offices of Sen. James Webb (D) or Sen. Mark Warner (D) to ask them for help. Sometimes she gets it; most times she doesn't.

"Frankly, business has never been better," she said. "But these banks, they're given leeway that we as citizens are not."

She offers the example of Amy VanMeter, 29, whose story is familiar in this era of foreclosures. VanMeter, a cancer researcher at George Mason University, said she had impeccable credit until a couple of years ago, when she bought a house with an adjustable-rate mortgage at the urging of an unscrupulous broker.

The area wasn't ideal, but she tried to make the townhouse her own, VanMeter said while dropping by Cleland's office to sign some papers. She gutted the bathrooms and updated the kitchen. She brightened the living room with a coat of sage green paint. But despite her pleas to her lender to freeze her interest rate, the payments ballooned to $2,700 a month, double what a similar place would cost to rent and an impossibly high sum even with two roommates.

VanMeter, who stopped making her payments and moved out, is hoping to cut her losses by pursuing a short sale, but every day she edges closer to foreclosure -- a word that brings tears to her eyes.

Unlike Cleland, however, she cheers a little when Obama's name is mentioned. She blames her troubles on the bank and the broker, not on the president whom she helped elect in a groundswell of goodwill.

"He has a tough job ahead of him, but I think he has the passion to make it happen," she said of Obama. "It seems like he tried to make changes really quickly, and maybe that wasn't realistic. I think with time we'll see things change."

VanMeter has not tuned in to the governor's race, but she expects that she will vote for the Democrat.

For Cleland's part, however, she's seen enough of Obama's leadership to know that she is open to voting for a Republican this fall. "We really needed something different," she said, "but instead we are doing the same things over and over and over."



 
Replies:

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 27533
(27822 all sites)
Registered: 2/18/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 07:47 PM
I'm not sorry. Don't plan on ever being sorry.

 

____________________
Sometimes we can't choose the music life gives us - but we damn sure can choose how we dance!


 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3106
(3106 all sites)
Registered: 5/16/2008
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 08:09 PM
Tell me Ann, what has Obama "delivered" so far? Hell he's got a Democratic Congress, what more does he need? Obama's problem is he's more popular than his policies. Of course, his policies are eventually going to catch up with him, and when that happen his numbers are going to drop real fast. Btw, his numbes are already starting to drop. Unless Obama can have a major political victory (and I think Obamacare is going to be way "watered down" before it passes) then he's well on his way to be a "one term" President. Truth is, Obama was/is much to "inexperienced" to be POTUS, and that "inexperience" is starting to catch up with him. Too bad, he couldn't wait until 2012 or 2016, by then he would have a "well seasoned' politician, wise in the ways of Washington, and been in a better position to be a POTUS. Of course, America didn't have any real choices in the last election, did we? Between McCain and Obama, wasn't much of a choice. Of course, I voted for Barr.

[Edited on 8/5/2009 by sibwlkr]

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16174
(16174 all sites)
Registered: 10/6/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 08:16 PM
quote:
Tell me Ann, what has Obama "delivered" so far?


Obviously Im not Ann, but I want to play too... What he has 'delivered' is open for interpretation. At this point I would say not much, but then I would say the same thing about anyone who has only been on the job a scant 7 months. Some expected miracles day one. Others are more realistic.

quote:
Hell he's got a Democratic Congress, what more does he need?


The fact that you asked that shows how little you apparently understand about the current state of politics.

quote:
Obama's problem is he's more popular than his policies. Of course, his policies are eventually going to catch up with him, and when that happen his numbers are going to drop real fast.


Keep hoping.

quote:
Btw, his numbes are already starting to drop.


They go up and they go down. So?

quote:
Unless Obama can have a major political victory (and I think Obamacare is going to be way "watered down" before it passes) then he's well on his way to be a "one term" President. Truth is, Obama was/is much to "inexperienced" to be POTUS, and that "inexperience" is starting to catch up with him. Too bad, he couldn't wait until 2012 or 2016, by then he would have a "well seasoned' politician, wise in the ways of Washington, and been in a better position to be a POTUS.


Well from what Ive seen so far, he is handling things quite well. I realize you arent going to give him one lick of credit for anything, but at least be honest.

quote:
Of course, America didn't have any real choices in the last election, did we? Between McCain and Obama, wasn't much of a choice. Of course, I voted for Barr.

[Edited on 8/5/2009 by sibwlkr]


So you threw away your vote on someone that wasnt even running in the actual election? What makes you think you should be commenting at all at this point? Your horse never made it to the gate.

 

____________________
Missing- 245 spines. If found, please send one to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and the rest to the Capitol building care of the Democratic Party.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16174
(16174 all sites)
Registered: 10/6/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 08:20 PM
quote:
No. He (like me) are part of a rapidly growing group of people who are sick and tired of seeing crooks abuse the system. What's wrong with being somebody who is capable of individual thought?


How can you be sick and tired of anything just since January?

 

____________________
Missing- 245 spines. If found, please send one to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and the rest to the Capitol building care of the Democratic Party.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 27533
(27822 all sites)
Registered: 2/18/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 08:23 PM
I agree with ST.....not enough time to even know what's going to happen. But I'll tell you why I'm not sorry.

Obama isn't a republican, his vice-president isn't Cheney, he's not McCain, his running mate wasn't Palin, he didn't turn Blackwater loose on a whole country for a religious crusade, he didn't work for Halliburton make a fortune off of them......shall I go on?

 

____________________
Sometimes we can't choose the music life gives us - but we damn sure can choose how we dance!


 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3106
(3106 all sites)
Registered: 5/16/2008
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 08:37 PM
quote:
So you threw away your vote on someone that wasnt even running in the actual election? What makes you think you should be commenting at all at this point? Your horse never made it to the gate.


Squatch,

I didn't throw away my vote. I voted for a person that I felt offered some better ideas that the "same old, same old' that both the Democrats and Republicans offer up. If American politics are going to change for the better, it going to come through "third party" movement, and not through the "Democratic/Republican -"we've sold our souls to the highest bidder"" mainstream. Truth is, I think people like you are the ones wasting your votes, thinking "your horse" is actually going to change anything. Truth is, he ain't no different than the rest of "sell out" crowd that inhabits Washington.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16491
(16491 all sites)
Registered: 6/4/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 09:09 PM
When do the credit cards expire 11/10?

 

____________________


R.I.P. Hugh Duty


 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 27533
(27822 all sites)
Registered: 2/18/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 09:10 PM
December 21, 2012....at least according to the doomsday movement.

 

____________________
Sometimes we can't choose the music life gives us - but we damn sure can choose how we dance!


 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16174
(16174 all sites)
Registered: 10/6/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 11:11 PM
quote:
Squatch,

I didn't throw away my vote. I voted for a person that I felt offered some better ideas that the "same old, same old' that both the Democrats and Republicans offer up. If American politics are going to change for the better, it going to come through "third party" movement, and not through the "Democratic/Republican -"we've sold our souls to the highest bidder"" mainstream.


I was actually just yanking your chain. I also think a third party is (probably) the solution, but until we get one, we have what we have. If you vote, hold them accountable.

quote:
Truth is, I think people like you are the ones wasting your votes, thinking "your horse" is actually going to change anything. Truth is, he ain't no different than the rest of "sell out" crowd that inhabits Washington.


Well, speaking for myself, I believe Obama is vastly different than McCain, which is why I voted for him.

 

____________________
Missing- 245 spines. If found, please send one to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and the rest to the Capitol building care of the Democratic Party.

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 11157
(11157 all sites)
Registered: 9/17/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 11:12 PM
I started thinking sometime after 2004 that Presidential polls could be equated to an idiot barometer. All the people that voted for Bush would suddenly change from month to month to like, then dislike, then like, then dislike. The delta between the high and the low months indicated the percentage number of idiots that voted for Bush in 2004. Now I think we have a situation where the number of 2004 Bush voters that voted for Obama in 2008 are skewing the Obama Presidential polls. Just a theory..now go ahead and flame me.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 27533
(27822 all sites)
Registered: 2/18/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/4/2009 at 11:16 PM
You could be on to something there.

 

____________________
Sometimes we can't choose the music life gives us - but we damn sure can choose how we dance!


 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16576
(16858 all sites)
Registered: 12/24/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 03:13 AM
I voted for Obama and I don't regret it even a little.
But then I didn't think he would be a miracle worker.
The best the GOP could put up was McCain/Palin and
I think we would be in even worse shape had those
two been elected. Obama will make a big difference
and the country will be much better off by 2012. I
believe in him.

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3106
(3106 all sites)
Registered: 5/16/2008
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 04:43 AM
quote:
I voted for Obama and I don't regret it even a little.



quote:
Obama will make a big difference
and the country will be much better off by 2012. I
believe in him



ruthelane.

Well you believe in Obama, but what about how his polices?

Is "cap and trade" a good idea? I just a got letter yesterday from the electical co-op that I'm a member of, that is asking it's members to contact our Senators (Webb and Warner) as certain part of Obama's "cap and trade" agreement are going to adversely effect the cost of electricty. You might want to remember that when shortly down the road, your electric/gas bills shoots through the roof.

And what about Obamacare? What parts of that do you like and dislike? Do you even know what all is going to be contained in this bill? Do you agree with it's end run around the Hyde Admendment? Basically if Obamacare is enacted "as is" American taxpayers WILL BE paying for abortions on demand. Now I don't know your feelings on that, but I know many "pro-life" people who are going to very upset if that provision get enacted in the bill, and they're going to take it out on whatever Congressman or Senator that voted for the bill the next time that Congressman or Senator is up for election. And Congressmen and Senator know this fact, very and very well, which is one of the many reasons why, many of the Democrat are starting to try and distance themselves from Obama's polices.

Once again, this is where the disconnect is happening. Obama the man is still popular, but unfortunately for him, his policies aren't enjoying the same level of popularity. Especially when more and more gets known about the various details and implications of these policies. In time, all Presidents get judged on their polices and how well they are received and how effectively they work.

The 2010 Congressional Elections should prove to be very interesting, and Democrats are beginning to get somewhat worried, that they won't have quite the same majority as they have now.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16576
(16858 all sites)
Registered: 12/24/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 05:18 AM
You are not going to make everybody happy and you will
rarely get all the Democrats in Congress to agree on an issue.

You asked, " Do you even know what all is going to be contained in this bill?"
I do resent your tone here. I don't know all the details, but what I do know
is Obama has set a plan in motion that would help people get healthcare that
is better than a lot of them have now, which is "nada'. I know his plan has flaws
and by the time the House and Senate get through with it, it will not be perfect,
but it will be something.

Should people be forced into bankruptcy, lose their life savings because they don't
have insurance? Should very sick people not get treatments or medicines they need
to stay alive.

I do not regret voting for Obama. At least he is trying to do something to help people
when it comes to healthcare. What do you think McCain would have done in the area of healthcare?

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 23373
(23372 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2005
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 05:53 AM
quote:
Tell me Ann, what has Obama "delivered" so far? Hell he's got a Democratic Congress, what more does he need?


I think you've answered your own question there, Fred. If the Democrats in Congress are good at anything it's shooting themselves in the foot. They've proved it time and time again. Even when they have a charismatic leader that they can get behind (Clinton, Obama) they still go off their own way.

I'm a Democrat and Congress always frustrates me. Obama can only do so much.

Getting back the first part of the story you posted I think Chris Ann Cleland would have been in that kitchen regardless of who was in office, Bob Barr included.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16491
(16491 all sites)
Registered: 6/4/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 05:56 AM


Not to mention -- the anti-Obama propaganda is difficult to avoid these days as the GOP scrambles to regain a position and millions of Americans seething at the thought of a black president with a young, progressive mindset.

[Edited on 8/5/2009 by WannabeDerek]


The last part of this statement is based upon your opinion, right? it's not based on any type of study or report. If it is your opinion, your insight into the minds of millions of people is astounding.

 

____________________


R.I.P. Hugh Duty


 

Sublime Peach



Karma:
Posts: 7260
(7342 all sites)
Registered: 11/29/2001
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 06:53 AM
Ya know, Obama came in to office facing the worst situation this country has faced since the Great Depression. An enormous hole had been blown in the economy, decades of this country moving to the right finally caught up with itself and in almost every area you can think of the middle class had been thoroughly beaten. Now we have a moderate democrat in office and people are calling him socialist, fascist, etc...and yes there is a huge racist aspect to this whole dynamic. It has ever been thus.

Obama gets elected, and is handed a shovel to start filling up the Grand Canyon a shovelful at the time, and not only are people saying he is not shoveling fast enough, they are putting obstacles in front of him, slowing the process even more. Programs that are propping up cities and states and businesses are attacked viciously and at the same time the very congress critters attacking are going home and taking credit for jobs that they voted against. The incoherency in almost every right wing talking point is striking and very disturbing. The fearmongering going on will keep confidence low for no good reason, at a time when demand is so low that is causing the whole world problems. Then you have others saying demand is bad, demand got us into this problem, essentially blaming working class people for the malfeasance perpetrated by the financial community and other corporate/political monsters. Incoherence. Now, how the hell can you get an economy functioning when demand is low, thousands are losing their jobs each week, and any attempt to stimulate demand is met with fear and loathing that is off the charts whacky?

I am by no means pleased with everything Obama has done as he eases us back toward the center. I think he has done a fine job so far though, in extremely difficult circumstances. We just came out of one of the most insane and reckless administrations ever, culminating decades of class warfare and irresponsible governance that has gotten us to this rotten place. Now sanity is returning, in tiny steps, a shovelful at the time, and the uproar is incredible. These teabagging idiots like their insanity and are fighting for all they are worth to ensure the country fails. Geezus.

 

____________________
I have an idea: let's pretend we're real human beings.

 
E-Mail User

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 12493
(12483 all sites)
Registered: 4/4/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 07:19 AM
quote:
Ya know, Obama came in to office facing the worst situation this country has faced since the Great Depression. An enormous hole had been blown in the economy, decades of this country moving to the right finally caught up with itself and in almost every area you can think of the middle class had been thoroughly beaten. Now we have a moderate democrat in office and people are calling him socialist, fascist, etc...and yes there is a huge racist aspect to this whole dynamic. It has ever been thus.

Obama gets elected, and is handed a shovel to start filling up the Grand Canyon a shovelful at the time, and not only are people saying he is not shoveling fast enough, they are putting obstacles in front of him, slowing the process even more. Programs that are propping up cities and states and businesses are attacked viciously and at the same time the very congress critters attacking are going home and taking credit for jobs that they voted against. The incoherency in almost every right wing talking point is striking and very disturbing. The fearmongering going on will keep confidence low for no good reason, at a time when demand is so low that is causing the whole world problems. Then you have others saying demand is bad, demand got us into this problem, essentially blaming working class people for the malfeasance perpetrated by the financial community and other corporate/political monsters. Incoherence. Now, how the hell can you get an economy functioning when demand is low, thousands are losing their jobs each week, and any attempt to stimulate demand is met with fear and loathing that is off the charts whacky?

I am by no means pleased with everything Obama has done as he eases us back toward the center. I think he has done a fine job so far though, in extremely difficult circumstances. We just came out of one of the most insane and reckless administrations ever, culminating decades of class warfare and irresponsible governance that has gotten us to this rotten place. Now sanity is returning, in tiny steps, a shovelful at the time, and the uproar is incredible. These teabagging idiots like their insanity and are fighting for all they are worth to ensure the country fails. Geezus.


+1

 

____________________
I pledge and support the elimination of the derogatory use of the r-word from everyday speech and promote the acceptance and inclusion of people with intellectual disabilities. http://www.r-word.org/

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3106
(3106 all sites)
Registered: 5/16/2008
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 07:55 AM
quote:
Obama came in to office facing the worst situation this country has faced since the Great Depression. An enormous hole had been blown in the economy, decades of this country moving to the right finally caught up with itself and in almost every area you can think of the middle class had been thoroughly beaten


Yes Obama got handed a "raw deal" especially with the economy, but he asked for the job and he got it. Now instead of trying to fill this economic hole, he's digging an even bigger one. Obama BIG MISTAKE is trying to do many things all at once, and not doing any of them very well. But then again, when you try rush something through without a lot of thought and discussion, and without paying much attention to the DETAILS, then you'e generally going to get a poorly written and costly piece of legislation that by and large will be unworkable. But then again Obama has struck me as not much of a "Details" person. But unfortunately, if you don't pay attention to the details, then they'll come around and bite you in the ass at some point. George W. certainly found that out in regards to Iraq, and I believe Obama is going to find out the same thing, in regards to his Health Care Plan. Bottom line, is how in hell "realistically" is this thing going to be paid for? Here's an interesting quote from Ruth Marcus

quote:
Obama wants a government that is bigger than the revenue it generates, but he is unwilling to acknowledge the implications of that stance. It is politically easier to pretend that the entire problem can be solved on the backs of corporations and wealthy individuals. I'm all for a tax code that is heavily progressive and free of loopholes, but the arithmetic won't allow all the balancing to be done on a sliver of the population.


Obama REALLY NEEDS to stay completely focused on getting the economy straighten out and Americans back at work, before he jumps on "Obamacare" and all these other costly, but not very well thought out programs that HE wants so badly.

 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2988
(2989 all sites)
Registered: 5/23/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 08:19 AM
quote:
quote:
Obama came in to office facing the worst situation this country has faced since the Great Depression. An enormous hole had been blown in the economy, decades of this country moving to the right finally caught up with itself and in almost every area you can think of the middle class had been thoroughly beaten


Yes Obama got handed a "raw deal" especially with the economy, but he asked for the job and he got it. Now instead of trying to fill this economic hole, he's digging an even bigger one. Obama BIG MISTAKE is trying to do many things all at once, and not doing any of them very well. But then again, when you try rush something through without a lot of thought and discussion, and without paying much attention to the DETAILS, then you'e generally going to get a poorly written and costly piece of legislation that by and large will be unworkable. But then again Obama has struck me as not much of a "Details" person. But unfortunately, if you don't pay attention to the details, then they'll come around and bite you in the ass at some point. George W. certainly found that out in regards to Iraq, and I believe Obama is going to find out the same thing, in regards to his Health Care Plan. Bottom line, is how in hell "realistically" is this thing going to be paid for? Here's an interesting quote from Ruth Marcus

quote:
Obama wants a government that is bigger than the revenue it generates, but he is unwilling to acknowledge the implications of that stance. It is politically easier to pretend that the entire problem can be solved on the backs of corporations and wealthy individuals. I'm all for a tax code that is heavily progressive and free of loopholes, but the arithmetic won't allow all the balancing to be done on a sliver of the population.


Obama REALLY NEEDS to stay completely focused on getting the economy straighten out and Americans back at work, before he jumps on "Obamacare" and all these other costly, but not very well thought out programs that HE wants so badly.
Sometimes I wonder if his feigned urgency reflects an awareness that he has a limited time to force his agenda on America. As a growing number of people seem to be questioning his programs, support seems to be dwindling. Will he be the Golden Boy in 2010 that he is now? It's looking less likely than it did a few months ago. He might wind up being a lame duck midway through his first term.



Billastro

[Edited on 8/5/2009 by Billastro]

 

____________________
Canis Major: The Original Skydog

https://www.davidmalin.com/fujii/source/CMa.html

"I can't say as ever I was lost, but I was bewildered once for three days."

—Daniel Boone

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 67537
(67898 all sites)
Registered: 11/28/2001
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 08:38 AM
I guess 'cap and trade' depends on where you live - I live in a state that has ample nuclear power and has green power initiatives and targets. The states that have relied on dirty coal fired plants are going to finally have to pay the piper for the decisions they've made. There will be winners and losers as with any compromise. So yes, you may pay more - ask the co-op what they have been doing to avoid this over the past few years - cap & trade has been on the table or talked about for a long time now - what decisions did they make to prepare for it - just hope that it wouldn't happen?

 

____________________

 

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 8484
(8509 all sites)
Registered: 4/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 08:39 AM
quote:
decades of this country moving to the right finally caught up with itself and in almost every area you can think of the middle class had been thoroughly beaten.


Free trade and outsourcing policies supported by BOTH the left and the right have hurt the middle class.

I thought modern Democrats are supposed to protect jobs? Yet we have Obama's opposing with a "Buy American" clause in the Recovery Act. His appointment of free trading commerce secretaries. The auto task force mandating the closure of car dealerships. Campaign Obama has sure been different than President Obama. The only thing he hasn't contradicted since being in office in this area is he did go forward with the tax "loop holes" that companies foreign operations enjoy. I do support that, although I see Obama's postion more as a cash grab for more tax revenue than one that actually has an effect on jobs. My view is to target companies with offshore operations in which they bring product back to the US for sale, take away the tax advantage and perhaps future companies will keep operations here or even come back. This does put US companies at a competitive disadvantage to foreign companies who import to our country. So the President must go further in this area and make it more expensive for both US and foreign producers to bring product here and reward those making their products here. Only punishing or forcing what the US companies do abroad doesn't go far enough. I wish the President would live up to more of what he said on the campaign trail about trade to get elected rather than this new globalist Obama he now is.

The truth is that most Republicans and Democrats, certainly the "leaders" do not care about individual jobs. With rare exception they care about certain corporate and foreign interests more than the American worker. I don't see Obama as any different here.

 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2988
(2989 all sites)
Registered: 5/23/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 08:40 AM
Wisdom from L. E. Ikenga, whose "Igbo parents came to this great country from Nigeria. They arrived a few years after Nigeria's independence from Great Britain."
quote:
In times like these, it is tempting to focus only on the issue at hand. But if you do, you do so at your own peril. As I watch what is happening to this great country, I find myself just shaking my head more and more while thinking, Mark Twain was absolutely right: "history does not always repeat itself, but it does often rhyme."

My Igbo parents came to this great country from Nigeria. They arrived a few years after Nigeria's independence from Great Britain. In Nigeria, it was a time of unprecedented cultural and political turmoil, which allowed politicians very much like Barack Obama to continue to seep into Nigeria's political system. These politicians all promised a change from the past. And unfortunately, they ended up fulfilling their promises. What these politicians ended up changing was the very fabric of the African societies, which they had been taught to see as unsophisticated and inferior.

I call these men, who appeared all over Africa in the wake of independence, African Colonial politicians (ACP's). They were the direct offspring of the European Imperialists, imposing radical European leftist political theory on tribal cultures. ACP's and their unscrupulous followers were able to almost completely destroy many African cultures.

For the most part, these ACP's were intellectual frauds, completely unworthy of the honors bestowed upon them. But they sounded and looked good; so the people listened to them. With their fancy Oxbridge degrees, grandiloquent speeches given with perfectly accented "Queen's English", finely tailored European suits, and fabled family histories, ACP's took the masses by storm.

ACP's convinced their constituents that they were as dumb as baboons and did not have what it took to make good decisions for themselves and for the future. They made Africans feel embarrassed about their entire histories and conservative values. They persuaded Africans to follow the "European way" of doing things, and assured that this blueprint for progress was one that could not fail.

The people believed them. And so, over the course of many decades, and by means of the standard instruments of cultural indoctrination that included liberal education, elite professional career paths, and new religious and political paradigms, Africans began to consume ideas and theories that implicitly alienated them from their own roots. Today, many of those Africans and their respective cultures are well on their way to being nothing more than topics for discussion at some freshman anthropology seminar at some elite university.

Colonialism in Africa ended but the ACP remained. He is now a touchstone in African political culture -- and so are his imperialist policies. The ACP will never go away. He dominates all politics, all of the time. His presence is ubiquitous. He is being cloned by the thousands everyday at universities in Africa and in other parts of the world. Marxist mentors rear him in his professional and private life. Thus, he has been taught to see himself as a benevolent Pan-Africanist. Instead, he is an uncontrollable cancer, steadily pushing African cultures to the point of extinction.

This all happened because African conservatives lost their way, took their cultures for granted, and underestimated the cupidity of their wanton politicians. They failed to make adjustments that would have helped to preserve their necessary values. The challenge for any culture is knowing when and how to make these adjustments, because if you do not, you die.

Africans allowed themselves to be hoodwinked by smooth-talking elitist charlatans; they are now paying a very dear price for this.

Politically speaking, most of Africa is now the laughingstock of the world with little to show for all of the progress that was once so intensely promised. In his 1947 essay, Path to Nigerian Freedom, Chief Obafemi Awolowo declared that,

"... the educated elite in Nigeria were qualified by natural rights to lead their fellow nationals into higher political development."


Chief Awolowo, where is that development now?

It is a very painful thing to know that something that you hold dear will soon cease to exist. It is even more painful to know that you are only one of a small few who can actually see that it is happening. This is what I am faced with. My Igbo heritage, passed down especially by my mother, has become a very precious thing to me, particularly because it is something that will soon cease to exist. I am sure that my great-grandchildren's children will have to go to some Museum of Natural History to know who I was, and so I continue to fight to make sure that they have something to see.

All of this is because my ancestors did not make the necessary adjustments. And most importantly, they never saw that there was always a large troupe of African colonial politicians, each impatiently waiting in the wings for the chance to audition for the role of a lifetime. (Obama's 2004 DNC speech was an audition.)

The Barack Obamas of the world helped to kill off so many cultures throughout the African continent. He is now here, with his Bacchic attendants, working hard to kill (conservative) American culture. He is killing everything that this country stands for. He is doing it under the guise of altruism. However, there is nothing altruistic about Obama. Instead, what we are witnessing is the greatest comedy of fateful errors that the world has seen in quite some time. The gods must be laughing like crazy.

The move towards the Euro-style imperialist socialism that has taken over this country has been a long time coming. For decades, oblivious youth have been indoctrinated at American universities to sympathize with far-left values; the entertainment industry is filled with leftist blowhards who wear the mask of intellect; liberals of all stripes have become unselfconscious in mocking (Christian) religious customs, and the juggernaut that is the left-stream media has been sealing the deal for years, helping to make this Republic increasingly vulnerable to demagoguery and despotism.

During the campaign, there was a reason why Obama's handlers kept telling him to say, "We are the ones we have been waiting for!" So many are waiting in the wings for their chance to audition. Obama is now the playing the lead role. But new faces will come and take his place when he is done.

This is why our nation is under siege with "all Obama, all the time". They want you to focus on him so that you do not see what is coming. As difficult as it may be to believe, Obama is probably not the worst that this far-left faction will use to win future elections. There will be others who will be more "eloquent", more charismatic, more racially mixed, more (once) oppressed by "the man"...

In closing, I offer a wish list. If I could go back in time and meet some of my ancestors, here are a few things that I would tell them to watch out for and consider. And to my fellow American Conservatives, here are a few things to help us avoid the next Obama:

Brand name market academics: the killers of common sense

I cannot emphasize enough how these types of people continue to destroy cultures throughout the world. I have seen it happen; I am seeing it happen. Most of their ideas are based on book theories and not reality. They cannot relate to everyday people. Bottom line: if someone needs to tell you where they went to school in order to explain why they voted a certain way, change the subject, or better yet, if you can, just walk away.

Spread your message, especially to the young

One of the biggest mistakes that many Igbos continue to make is not teaching their kids about their ancestry and culture. In the West especially, some of those kids do not speak the language, understand any of the traditions, nor do they have the desire to visit the land of their forefathers. By default, these children have become Igbos in name only. A person without knowledge of their history and culture is like a tree without roots-a shell of a thing that can be easily blown away. Ironically, irreverence towards one's culture and history is always part of a tradition that is passed down from one generation to the next. Be the one to put an end to this tradition.

In praise of patriarchs

The whole truth, not half of it. The Igbos are a patriarchal people, and I grew up listening to fantastic tales of how my great forefathers lived impeccable lives. I understand why this was necessary but some of those tales just bordered on the absurd. I might as well have been reading the Aeneid. Patriarchs are people, and it is equally important that we learn from their successes AND their failures. Avoiding talk of their failures leads to a loss of trust from those who really want to learn. The reality is that many Igbo patriarchs made crucial mistakes, which allowed the Imperialists to gain access and power; this must be acknowledged. The American Founders achieved tremendous goals. The United States Constitution is the Crown Jewel of Western civilization. The Founders paved the way for liberty and justice for all; this was no small feat. But mistakes were still made, and the legacy of some of those mistakes still haunt us today. Telling the whole truth is what sets people free.

Intellectual integrity

The Imperialists let the genie out. It is now up to you to put it back in the bottle. The Igbos allowed many things to be redefined for them by Imperialists who then took these new definitions and ran with them in order to make the Africans feel inferior. One of my favorites is how the Imperialists began calling African medicinal herbalists, "witchdoctors". (I always crack up when I hear this word!)

Something similar is starting to happen with the word racism. The far-lefties are now using this word willy-nilly to defame innocent people. Racism, in my opinion, is something very specific: an assault -- of any kind -- that attacks the humanity of a specific ethnic group. A racist is someone who believes in and sees the good in these attacks. And then there is bigotry; and there are bigots. By thoughtlessly throwing around the word racism we truly dishonor the memory of those who, throughout human history, actually went through the real thing. Imperialists and their liberal offspring, have no real intellectual integrity. They will stoop to any low to get their message across. Do not let these fools tell you what is and what isn't.

African Colonial Politicians and Black Liberationist Preachers: Best Friends Forever

This point is more for future African and American generations. ACP's and BLP's go together like peanut butter & jelly. Black Liberation Theology (and all of its strange offshoots) is wreaking havoc in Africa and it will soon do the same here. The pastor and politician work like a tag-team to rob people of their dignity, culture, and political capital. Both teach their congregants/constituents to wear their (imagined) victim status like a badge of honor. By using all sorts of hocus-pocus and mumbo-jumbo techniques, they exact votes, cash, and "AMENS!" from lost and impressionable people. The less of a real history that people have to "cling to" the more they will seek these soothsayer/snake oil sales people out.

Countries like Nigeria most definitely have what I call a "pastor problem", and it looks like America is starting to have one too. As many have already figured out, the Obama-Wright relationship was no chance coincidence. Despite the Showtime at the Apollo theatrics in which they engaged the nation during the election, right now, both are laughing all the way to the bank.

Chukwu duwe anyi (May God be with us).
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/avoiding_the_next_obama.html

Billastro

 

____________________
Canis Major: The Original Skydog

https://www.davidmalin.com/fujii/source/CMa.html

"I can't say as ever I was lost, but I was bewildered once for three days."

—Daniel Boone

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16174
(16174 all sites)
Registered: 10/6/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 8/5/2009 at 08:43 AM
quote:


Not to mention -- the anti-Obama propaganda is difficult to avoid these days as the GOP scrambles to regain a position and millions of Americans seething at the thought of a black president with a young, progressive mindset.

[Edited on 8/5/2009 by WannabeDerek]


The last part of this statement is based upon your opinion, right? it's not based on any type of study or report. If it is your opinion, your insight into the minds of millions of people is astounding.


Aw hell, just take a sample from here. Talk to Mocha Man Fred and he can tell you.

 

____________________
Missing- 245 spines. If found, please send one to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and the rest to the Capitol building care of the Democratic Party.

 
<<  1    2    3  >>  


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software


Privacy | Terms of Service
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com