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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 11:15 AM


[Edited on 8/20/2009 by jerryphilbob]

 
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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 11:19 AM
Right wingers definitely have booing down pat......doing pretty good with the boo hooing too.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 11:25 AM
People seem to get upset whent heir government is turning their country into Russia east! You seem to be OK with that.

[Edited on 8/3/2009 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 11:27 AM
Look, under Bush I saw our country actually turning into a dictatorship....ignore it if you want to, but it was happening. I didn't hear the voices from the right objecting. I don't think Obama is coming even close to the damage Bush did.....so, yes, I'm all right with the present course. Maybe later I'll be concerned. But now is not the time.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 11:34 AM
Actually, if we don't stand up NOW!. Our country will be turned into something that you and I won't be able to recognize in 5 years. Keep playing the Bush card, the CFR loves you.






 

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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 11:39 AM
My country was turned into something I didn't recognize about eight years ago. Sorry you're just now figuring that out. Didin't look so bad when it was your guy running it into the ground did it?

 

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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 09:31 PM
Pretty tough crowd -- Good for them!

Democracy in action. Philadelphia is about as blue as you can get so this is pretty telling IMO.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 10:23 PM
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I am sure this is just the beginning of the backlash.
LOL - jpb your head is spinning around on those shoulders faster that Linda Blairs in Exorcist. Based on your posts I don't think you are sure of anything for than a minute or two ... your stories change so.
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Pretty tough crowd -- Good for them!

Democracy in action. Philadelphia is about as blue as you can get so this is pretty telling IMO.




Sorry....these people were bussed in and are part of an organized movement supported by the health care industry. Check it out. Spontaneous democracy my eye!

 

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Pretty tough crowd -- Good for them!

Democracy in action. Philadelphia is about as blue as you can get so this is pretty telling IMO.




Sorry....these people were bussed in and are part of an organized movement supported by the health care industry. Check it out. Spontaneous democracy my eye!



If mass transit was used to bring people in I have no problem with it. And if what you say is true, my response is, "It's about time!" That's the way the game is played and the Left made the rules, as they have been deploying Rent-A-Mobs for years.

Whether true or not, the poll numbers on this issue speak for themselves. Besides that, this could be passed without ONE Republican vote with or without dissent so WTF.

[Edited on 8/4/2009 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 11:11 PM
Are you for real? Please elaborate on that statement that the left has been doing it for years. It's a right wing tactic that's been used every time the thin skinned woosies don't get their greedy way. The right wing feels an outrageous sense of entitlement to run the world, screw over anyone who gets in their way and piss and moan until the wheels of government grind to a halt if they're not rolling their way.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 11:25 PM
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Are you for real? Please elaborate on that statement that the left has been doing it for years.


They have. And they have also been used to bolster "protests" that cannot get a following of their own. Case in point - Cindy Sheehan outside of Bush's ranch in Crawford. Many of those were "pros" that were brought in.

I thought this tactic was pretty common knowledge by now..

 

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  posted on 8/3/2009 at 11:52 PM
It was one protest that drew people from outside. I don't see a parallel here with people who travel around and disrupt meetings.....and picket women's clinics......and threaten people counting ballots in Florida.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 12:11 AM
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It was one protest that drew people from outside. I don't see a parallel here with people who travel around and disrupt meetings.....and picket women's clinics......and threaten people counting ballots in Florida.


Like Code Pink?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scXXs4_2Ako

 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 12:15 AM
No...They would never be disruptive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aAU76bqL4Y&feature=related

 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 12:33 AM
There seems to be a problem differentiating public protest with stealth phony outrage. The examples given were people publically protesting. The people disrupting the town hall meetings are doing so under pretense. If they have a problem, carry a sign and make themselves known....don't pretend to be something they're not. That's the difference.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 11:30 AM
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There seems to be a problem differentiating public protest with stealth phony outrage. The examples given were people publically protesting. The people disrupting the town hall meetings are doing so under pretense. If they have a problem, carry a sign and make themselves known....don't pretend to be something they're not. That's the difference.
Fortunately most members of Congress aren't stupid enough to be fooled into thinking that a dozen screaming fools working at the behest of various conservative special interest groups represent their constituency in any way. It doesn't bode well for the GOP that their sole strategy to date for winning votes is to shout down elected officials in public forums in an effort to bamboozle them into thinking they represent an actual movement.
They're stupid enough to vote for things they haven't read and don't understand. They're stupid enough to criminally mismange the nation's finances towards possible bankruptcy and currency default. They are more than "stupid enough".

On the other hand, a majority of the public are stupid enough to believe them when they say "let us help you". In the race for the stupid prize, I'm not sure who's leading.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 11:35 AM
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There seems to be a problem differentiating public protest with stealth phony outrage. The examples given were people publically protesting. The people disrupting the town hall meetings are doing so under pretense. If they have a problem, carry a sign and make themselves known....don't pretend to be something they're not. That's the difference.


Fortunately most members of Congress aren't stupid enough to be fooled into thinking that a dozen screaming fools working at the behest of various conservative special interest groups


Do you have any proof of this?

 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 11:38 AM
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Fortunately most members of Congress aren't stupid enough to be fooled into thinking that a dozen screaming fools working at the behest of various conservative special interest groups represent their constituency in any way. It doesn't bode well for the GOP that their sole strategy to date for winning votes is to shout down elected officials in public forums in an effort to bamboozle them into thinking they represent an actual movement.


You are truly an idiot.

That's what the left wing nuts tried to say about the "tea parites" when thousands were showing up. It's an old trick used to denegrate the opposition.

Why not actually tell us why this womans views are wrong and she shouldn't be concerned about the new government run healthcare system? Instead you simply attack her as some kind of crazy person shipped in just to give Arlen Specter a hard time?

Did you actually watch the video??? How could you? I am sure your not that dumb?

WAKE THE F@CK UP !!!

 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 11:50 AM
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Posted it yesterday but sure... It's been fairly widely documented.

Here's the memo with specific instructions on how to harass officials at Town Halls (excerpts below):

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/31/recess-harassment-memo/

– Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

– Be Disruptive Early And Often: “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

– Try To “Rattle Him,” Not Have An Intelligent Debate: “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”


Here's the more thorough rundown of the ongoing operation:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/03/doggett-health-care/

And here's some amazing video from a recent town hall:

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/21/castle-townhall/

Funny thing is, as you see in the above clip, they do it to dems as well as moderate reps like Castle. Screaming like lunatics will not convince these people to abandon health care reform.


Just because they're organized to a certain extent still doesn't prove your point. Are you saying that these people don't actually have strong feelings on the subject, and secretly are in favor of a government run system? They seem pretty convincing.

 

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Fortunately most members of Congress aren't stupid enough to be fooled into thinking that a dozen screaming fools working at the behest of various conservative special interest groups represent their constituency in any way. It doesn't bode well for the GOP that their sole strategy to date for winning votes is to shout down elected officials in public forums in an effort to bamboozle them into thinking they represent an actual movement.


You are truly an idiot.

That's what the left wing nuts tried to say about the "tea parites" when thousands were showing up. It's an old trick used to denegrate the opposition.

Why not actually tell us why this womans views are wrong and she shouldn't be concerned about the new government run healthcare system? Instead you simply attack her as some kind of crazy person shipped in just to give Arlen Specter a hard time?

Did you actually watch the video??? How could you? I am sure your not that dumb?

WAKE THE F@CK UP !!!



Jerry, Jerry, Jerry....Do you not see that it's the same gang from the last attempt at health care reform trying (and in your case, apparently succeeding) to scare you? News flash: The government already funds health care to a large extend. Nearly 100 million people between Medicade, Medicare, VA, etc.....Now go out there and sell those Hot tubs, the gov't needs the tax revenue.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 11:58 AM
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Funny thing is, as you see in the above clip, they do it to dems as well as moderate reps like Castle. Screaming like lunatics will not convince these people to abandon health care reform.


So tell me. How is a government that is bankrupting medicaide, medicare, and social security. A government that can't run a DMV or Post office. One that can't pull off a simple rebate program like "cash for clunkers" going to run 1/7th of the economy and the whole healthcare program?

There, not screaming, no lunatics, a simple question, can you answer it? How are they going to take the BEST healthcare in the world and make it BETTER.

The answer is simple, THEY CAN'T.


 

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Pretty tough crowd -- Good for them!

Democracy in action. Philadelphia is about as blue as you can get so this is pretty telling IMO.




Sorry....these people were bussed in and are part of an organized movement supported by the health care industry. Check it out. Spontaneous democracy my eye!



If mass transit was used to bring people in I have no problem with it. And if what you say is true, my response is, "It's about time!" That's the way the game is played and the Left made the rules, as they have been deploying Rent-A-Mobs for years.

Whether true or not, the poll numbers on this issue speak for themselves. Besides that, this could be passed without ONE Republican vote with or without dissent so WTF.

[Edited on 8/4/2009 by alloak41]


The GOP could kill this thing dead if they really want. They have the ability and the resources. If it is all so dangerous and they do legitimately fear the destruction of the country as we know it (after all, they do love the country more than everyone else) then do they not have a choice but to do everything they can to stop it...? It's not going to pass in any major way anyway, so why not at least pick up the political points?

 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 12:05 PM
But you are right about one thing. They don't care what the people want and they are going to do whatever is in their best interest. That is the way it works when there are no checks and balances. Funny though how it is the democrats that are holding this thing up, not the republicans. I am not so sure they will get this done, just like the bailouts though, they don't care what the people want. It is all about them and gaining control over us. Brilliant. For the first time, democrats are starting to fear the next elections and aren't so sure that going along with the CFR is the best way to get re-elected again. I guess they don't own everyone in the house and the congress. Specter might want to start thinking about changing back to the Republican Party, he will have a much better chance of getting re-elected that way.
 

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  posted on 8/4/2009 at 12:11 PM
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Funny thing is, as you see in the above clip, they do it to dems as well as moderate reps like Castle. Screaming like lunatics will not convince these people to abandon health care reform.


So tell me. How is a government that is bankrupting medicaide, medicare, and social security. A government that can't run a DMV or Post office. One that can't pull off a simple rebate program like "cash for clunkers" going to run 1/7th of the economy and the whole healthcare program?

There, not screaming, no lunatics, a simple question, can you answer it? How are they going to take the BEST healthcare in the world and make it BETTER.

The answer is simple, THEY CAN'T.




My DMV runs very smooth, my mail is delivered daily to my mailbox 20 yards from my house and my bills always seem to arrive at their destination on time. I'm pretty sure I'll get some of my money back from Social Security. Both my parents are enjoying their social security and medicaid health insurance. They also have supplemental private insurance (there's another example of how both private and public can work together). My best friend, who's 40 years old, gets his health benefits via the Veteran's Administration office in Syracuse, NY, ranked in the top ten health care providers in New York State two years ago. And the clunkers program is broke because it's out of money due to its popularity amongst consumers. However, maybe the DMV and mail does suck in Belize. Regardless, go out there and sell those hot tubs, the govt. need the tax revenue.

 
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