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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 04:13 PM
Every now and then someone implies that fans who are Conservatives somehow betray (pick your synonym) the ABB, who are largely Liberal.

What difference should someone's views make if he likes their music? For example, I think the Beatles made some of the best music of my lifetime, but I vehemently disagree with what John and George promoted philosophically. I still think their music was fantastic, and have since early '64 when my mavericity led me to prefer "I Saw Her Standing There" to "I Want To Hold Your Hand." I don't see this changing.

Likewise, I first heard the ABB in late '69, saw them three times in '71 in the days when I was much more liberal than now. What difference should my politics and views make? Why do some seem to see this as somehow unacceptable?

Just curious.

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[Edited on 8/1/2009 by Billastro]

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 04:17 PM
I long ago learned to seperate the political views and personal behavior of my favorite musicians and actors from their art.

I happen to be a libertarian nationally (lower case)...less so at the local level. So, I tend to disagree with many things musicians like the ABB stand for and probably agree with other positions they have, not that it really matters.

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 04:49 PM
When I called the ABB hotline in the 90s to hear their gig schedule, the person on the recording said "no republicans are invited". Draw your own conclusion.
 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 05:06 PM
Like hotlantatim, I normally could care less what they personally believe. I consider myself a social libertarian and fiscal conservative. If you believe in the true and full meaning of liberty, you accept that others have the same right to their beliefs as you do.

I do get a tad uncomfortable when an artist gives over to strongly preaching their beliefs. I saw CSN&Y on the 2006 tour, and thought they went a bit far. But it wasn't like I was surprised. I knew I'd hear some of that. I still bought the ticket and enjoyed the show immensely anyway.

Most of them are just funny when they speak on the issues, displaying their ignorance and/or limited view. But its their right to talk. If they don't care that they may alienate some folks, then I sure don't.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 05:13 PM
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If you believe in the true and full meaning of liberty, you accept that others have the same right to their beliefs as you do.


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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 05:26 PM
But if a band says that no repiblicans are welcome at their concerts is it OK for a repug to go where they aren't wanted?
 

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But if a band says that no repiblicans are welcome at their concerts is it OK for a repug to go where they aren't wanted?


Sure, as long as they buy a ticket....who do you think keeps the scalpers in business? LOL

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 05:42 PM
I guess I'm not as liberaly minded as FugiRich and others. As much as I like Hank Jr. and Charlie Daniels I would never attend their concerts and be subjected to their crazy ranting.
 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 05:48 PM
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I guess I'm not as liberaly minded as FugiRich and others. As much as I like Hank Jr. and Charlie Daniels I would never attend their concerts and be subjected to their crazy ranting.
I thought the left were the open minded ones?

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I guess I'm not as liberaly minded as FugiRich and others. As much as I like Hank Jr. and Charlie Daniels I would never attend their concerts and be subjected to their crazy ranting.
I thought the left were the open minded ones?

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Hey I'm a HUGE Neil Young and Bruce Springsteen fan but would prefer that they keep politics out of their concerts, even though I happen to agree with them on some issues. The people that don't shouldn't be subjected to boring civics lessons when they paid over $75 for a ticket. Let the rock stars do it on their own time.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 06:01 PM
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I guess I'm not as liberaly minded as FugiRich and others. As much as I like Hank Jr. and Charlie Daniels I would never attend their concerts and be subjected to their crazy ranting.
I thought the left were the open minded ones?

It's on now!

That's part of the left - right media program, Rich. I don't buy it. Why be open minded towards ignorance and hatred?


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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 06:29 PM
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When I called the ABB hotline in the 90s to hear their gig schedule, the person on the recording said "no republicans are invited". Draw your own conclusion.


But of course they'll take our money to buy their tickets and music. Then again, we're the only ones who have any money.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 06:56 PM
Rock and Roll has always had a political connection. My guess is it won't ever change. Did not realize Charlie Daniels and Hank Jr. now rant at their shows. I saw Nugent a few years back and his ranting turned an otherwise enjoyable show into a migraine headache for me.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 07:22 PM
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Rock and Roll has always had a political connection. My guess is it won't ever change. Did not realize Charlie Daniels and Hank Jr. now rant at their shows. I saw Nugent a few years back and his ranting turned an otherwise enjoyable show into a migraine headache for me.


I didn't mean to put Hank and Charlie in the same catagory as Nugent. Just knowing their views is enough for me to skip their shows.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 07:33 PM
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Rock and Roll has always had a political connection. My guess is it won't ever change. Did not realize Charlie Daniels and Hank Jr. now rant at their shows. I saw Nugent a few years back and his ranting turned an otherwise enjoyable show into a migraine headache for me.


Ol' Charlie is now a Born Again Christian who won't sing the verse "I get stoned in the mornin'" from Long Haired Country Boy anymore. But he has no problem whatsoever exhorting our troops to kill those Godless Heathens every chance he gets.....especially Muslims.

I liked him a helluva lot better when he was a stoned, drunken hippie - and a lot less hypocritical.

Never could understand why born-agains were among the most bloodthirsty fanatics - Bush is a perfect example. I guess it's OK if you ignore SOME of the 10 Commandments.

 

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Rock and Roll has always had a political connection. My guess is it won't ever change. Did not realize Charlie Daniels and Hank Jr. now rant at their shows. I saw Nugent a few years back and his ranting turned an otherwise enjoyable show into a migraine headache for me.


I didn't mean to put Hank and Charlie in the same catagory as Nugent. Just knowing their views is enough for me to skip their shows.


I wouldn't go to a Nugent concert if there was a bow and arrow stuck in my back.....and I'll never go to another Hank Jr concert. The first, I can't stand him period, the second, Hank Jr is a rude and rowdy person. I might go to a Charlie Daniels show but I don't think I'd last more than two or three songs. And it hasn't got anything to do with politics. I guess i can separate the two.....or maybe not....maybe that's why I can't stand Nugent. Nevermind.

 

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Rock and Roll has always had a political connection. My guess is it won't ever change. Did not realize Charlie Daniels and Hank Jr. now rant at their shows. I saw Nugent a few years back and his ranting turned an otherwise enjoyable show into a migraine headache for me.


Ol' Charlie is now a Born Again Christian who won't sing the verse "I get stoned in the mornin'" from Long Haired Country Boy anymore. But he has no problem whatsoever exhorting our troops to kill those Godless Heathens every chance he gets.....especially Muslims.

I liked him a helluva lot better when he was a stoned, drunken hippie - and a lot less hypocritical.

Never could understand why born-agains were among the most bloodthirsty fanatics - Bush is a perfect example. I guess it's OK if you ignore SOME of the 10 Commandments.


I used to love seeing the CDB.

I wouldn't go near a show now.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 09:00 PM
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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 09:07 PM
I think it is funny that some would get in a good old knock down dragout with some on this board because of their views, but if the band members have different views, that is ok?

I don't care what political views that the band has. I already know that going in. Just like the Dead. I didn't vote for Palpatine, but I went to the show in Pitt that featured the Dead and the ABB and kicked off the Dead getting back together. I didn't go for the Sith Lord, I went for the music and friends.

When I played Rugby, we would beat the shiit out of the other team out on the playing field (and them to us), but after the game, we would get together over a keg and brats. We played hard out on the field and left it there, it was like we were all good friends at the post game party.

I kinda look at the WP as the playing field and the concerts as the post party. I think some take others views waaay to personal and should let it go. I am going to be in Chicago and would be glad to buy anyone of you a beer and slice of pizza, even Wannabederek (he wouldn't let me at the DTB show in Cinci?, but it was nice to meet him).

I am sure that I am one that take my views too seriously and in the end we are all brothers and sisters, in fact Americans. It would be nice to find a way to get everyone back on the same team. I just don't know if we will ever see it.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 10:34 PM
I don't mind what the ABB political leanings are. As long as they're not up there giving speeches, I'm OK with it. Most people go to rock shows to escape for a few hours and not worry about politics.

 

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Rock and Roll has always had a political connection. My guess is it won't ever change. Did not realize Charlie Daniels and Hank Jr. now rant at their shows. I saw Nugent a few years back and his ranting turned an otherwise enjoyable show into a migraine headache for me.


I didn't mean to put Hank and Charlie in the same catagory as Nugent. Just knowing their views is enough for me to skip their shows.
I saw charlie in 77 they put on a great show but those days are long gone. political views aside, charlie, hank jr. and ted suck musically. Its funny how most of these right wing drum-beaters suck, and most of your great entertainers lean left.

 

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Rock and Roll has always had a political connection. My guess is it won't ever change. Did not realize Charlie Daniels and Hank Jr. now rant at their shows. I saw Nugent a few years back and his ranting turned an otherwise enjoyable show into a migraine headache for me.


I didn't mean to put Hank and Charlie in the same catagory as Nugent. Just knowing their views is enough for me to skip their shows.
I saw charlie in 77 they put on a great show but those days are long gone. political views aside, charlie, hank jr. and ted suck musically. Its funny how most of these right wing drum-beaters suck, and most of your great entertainers lean left.


Perhaps when their careers tank they start catering to the right for an audience. I always thought that was the case with Dennis Miller.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2009 at 12:18 AM
I'd really just prefer musicians keep their political rants for the conventions and not at concerts. If they want to get on TV and spout off, have at it.
I think sharing their personal political views at concerts probably makes some people feel uncomfortable or even angered if they don't agree with whoever the loudmouth happens to be , whether left or right. If they want to sing about it, I'm sure the crowd they want to be in touch with will show up.
I go to concerts to hear music and try to pick up a few tricks. If a musician has to rely on rallying the troops for a battle cry during a concert, he or she has lost touch with the music.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2009 at 12:36 PM
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Every now and then someone implies that fans who are Conservatives somehow betray (pick your synonym) the ABB, who are largely Liberal.

What difference should someone's views make if he likes their music? For example, I think the Beatles made some of the best music of my lifetime, but I vehemently disagree with what John and George promoted philosophically. I still think their music was fantastic, and have since early '64 when my mavericity led me to prefer "I Saw Her Standing There" to "I Want To Hold Your Hand." I don't see this changing.

Likewise, I first heard the ABB in late '69, saw them three times in '71 in the days when I was much more liberal than now. What difference should my politics and views make? Why do some seem to see this as somehow unacceptable?

Just curious.

Billastro

[Edited on 8/1/2009 by Billastro]


I did post something that was vaguely in this topical area. I wrote that the WP is a very accommodating place as there is a high level of tolerance for posters who in some cases very obnoxiously attack the political positions of band members.

I think John Lennon saw the arm of politics as being very broad and manifesting itself negatively in numerous ways. This is very much in line with how liberals view the world. Liberals generally don't see politics as a separate and autonomous sphere apart from economics and social affairs.

At this juncture though I am totally perplexed about why people who attack Obama and minorities the way they do would be drawn to a style of music that has its roots in the black community. How does one listen to any blues and then go on a tirade of minority bashing?

I do have conservative friends but none have the extreme views that are regularly articulated here. It could be there is some relationship between many posters here and el rushbo. The high density of a certain mindset is a bit unusual.



 

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  posted on 8/2/2009 at 12:45 PM
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Perhaps when their careers tank they start catering to the right for an audience. I always thought that was the case with Dennis Miller.


interesting point

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