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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 09:25 AM


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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 09:26 AM
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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 09:32 AM
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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 09:37 AM
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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 09:44 AM
Yes, let's talk about expansion of government.

The Department of Homeland Security was established in November of 2002. It has 208,000 employees (yes, that's 208,000) and an annual budget of $52 billion.

Agencies under the Department:

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services Processes citizenship, residency, and asylum requests from foreigners
U.S. Customs and Border Protection Staff border checkpoints, collect tariffs, and patrol the border
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Long-term investigations of border violations
Federal Protective Service Security for federal buildings and properties
Transportation Security Administration Responsible for aviation security (domestic and international, most notably conducting passenger screenings at airports), as well as land and water transportation security
United States Coast Guard Marine and inland waterway patrol, part of the United States Navy during times of war
Federal Emergency Management Agency Disaster preparedness, response, and recovery
United States Secret Service Protective services for important officials and protection of the U.S. currency

Advisory groups:

Homeland Security Advisory Council State and local government, first responders, private sector, and academics
National Infrastructure Advisory Council Advises on security of public and private information systems
Homeland Security Science and Technology Advisory Committee Advise the Under Secretary for Science and Technology.
Critical Infrastructure Partnership Advisory Council Coordinate infrastructure protection with private sector and other levels of government
Interagency Coordinating Council on Emergency Preparedness and Individuals with Disabilities
Task Force on New Americans "An inter-agency effort to help immigrants learn English, embrace the common core of American civic culture, and become fully American."

Other components:
Domestic Nuclear Detection Office Develop nuclear threat detection capabilities at all levels of government and in the private sector
Federal Law Enforcement Training Center Interagency law enforcement training facility
National Protection and Programs Directorate - risk-reduction, encompassing both physical and virtual threats and their associated human elements
National Communications System
Directorate for Science and Technology Research and development
Directorate for Management Responsible for internal budgets, accounting, performance monitoring, and human resources
Office of Policy Long-range policy planning and coordination
Office of Immigration Statistics
Office of Health Affairs Medical preparedness
Office of Intelligence and Analysis Identify and assess threats based on intelligence from various agencies
Office of Operations Coordination Monitor domestic security situation on a daily basis, coordinate activities with state and local authorities and private sector infrastructure
Office of the Secretary includes the Privacy Office, Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, Office of Inspector General, Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman, Office of Legislative Affairs, Office of the General Counsel, Office of Public Affairs, Office of Counternarcotics Enforcement (CNE), Office of the Executive Secretariat (ESEC), and the Military Advisor's Office.
National Cyber Security Center




Massive, massive in scale. I'd also like to point out that the use of the word "Directorate," a common name used by the Soviets, was established by the previous Administration.

Granted, some agencies were folded into DHS, but tons of new ones were created.

When DHS was created, many of the people who are telling us to be terrified of Obama and his quest to take over the country for his own evil bidding were the exact same people who accepted the DHS as a needed agency under the gise of protecting us and believed that we should happily forfeit things like privacy and liberty because, after all, the government needs to protect us. Now, in a short time, people are terrified that they may lose things that they were happy to give up just a few years ago.

Let's say for example that Obama were to announce the establishishment of the new Department of Anything and said that it would have 200,000 employees. If that were to happen, Rush Limbaugh would be reduced to a drooling idiot, the Drudge Report server would crash permanently, JPB would be banned by youtube for using too much bandwidth, the Secret Service would have to inform Dick Cheney that "Sir, you are a private citizen now and you can't keep a rocket launcher in your yard," President Bush would be on the line to Obama recommending a horse show lawyer to run the biggest parts of the agency, conservatives everywhere would no longer be on the internet as their computer desks would be covered in grey matter from all the cerebral explosions, and Ann Coulter would simply implode into another dimension.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 09:56 AM
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If that were to happen, Rush Limbaugh would be reduced to a drooling idiot, the Drudge Report server would crash permanently, JPB would be banned by youtube for using too much bandwidth, the Secret Service would have to inform Dick Cheney that "Sir, you are a private citizen now and you can't keep a rocket launcher in your yard," President Bush would be on the line to Obama recommending a horse show lawyer to run the biggest parts of the agency, conservatives everywhere would no longer be on the internet as their computer desks would be covered in grey matter from all the cerebral explosions, and Ann Coulter would simply implode into another dimension.


I dont really see a downside to any of this. Whats your point?

 

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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 10:46 AM
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Massive, massive in scale. I'd also like to point out that the use of the word "Directorate," a common name used by the Soviets, was established by the previous Administration.


Bush was the BAD cop and Obama is the GOOD cop. They are both on the same team!

Wake Up! They are brilliant at divide and conquer. Why do you keep falling for it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGF1oeAU4io



 

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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 11:08 AM
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There are 32 of them now. I know it is tough becuase we don't elect these guys and they answer only to Palpatine. So let's see how many we can name....Go!
idiot.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 11:14 AM
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Bush was the BAD cop and Obama is the GOOD cop. They are both on the same team!

Wake Up! They are brilliant at divide and conquer. Why do you keep falling for it?



I've told you once and I'll tell you again. In the daytime I can't view youtube because I am at work. Kiss my a$$ for inferring that I need to "wake up" when you can't articulate or communicate your opinions without a video clip to do it for you.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 11:42 AM
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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 11:22 PM
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Butch Trucks


OBJECTION!

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 12:31 AM
" Rush Limbaugh would be reduced to a drooling idiot".....this has been a reality for many years now. Or at least when he was Doctor shopping to feed his Oxycontin habit.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2009 at 07:24 AM
By Eric Cantor The Washington Post

August 01, 2009 - 12:00 am

"The biggest problems that we're facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that's what I intend to reverse when I'm president of the United States."

- Sen. Barack Obama, March 31, 2008


To say President Obama failed to follow through on this promise is an understatement. By appointing a virtual army of "czars" - each wholly unaccountable to Congress yet tasked with spearheading major policy efforts for the White House - the president has made an end-run around the legislative branch of historic proportions.

To be sure, the appointment of a few special officers to play a constructive role in an administration is nothing new. What is new is the elevation of so many czars, with so much authority on endless policy fronts. Vesting such broad authority in the hands of people not subjected to Senate confirmation and congressional oversight poses a grave threat to our system of checks and balances.

At last count, there were at least 32 active czars - more czars than Imperial Russia.

The administration has a Mideast peace czar (not to be confused with the Mideast policy czar), a Sudan czar and a Guantanamo closure czar. There's the green jobs czar, sometimes in conflict with the energy czar, who talks to the technology czar, who sometimes crosses paths with the urban affairs czar. We mustn't forget the Great Lakes czar or the WMD czar, who no doubt works hand in hand with the terrorism czar. The stimulus accountability czar is going through a rough time right now, as is the TARP czar - but thankfully they have to answer to the government performance czar.

The Constitution mandates that the Senate confirm Cabinet-level department heads and other appointees in positions of authority. This gives Congress - elected by the people - the power to compel executive decision-makers to testify and be held accountable by someone other than the president. It also ensures that key appointees cannot claim executive privilege when subpoenaed to come before Congress.

Proper oversight of the czars is essential. From orchestrating bailouts to making industrial policies to moving toward government-run national health care, Washington is sailing into uncharted waters - and czars are often steering the ship.

The car czar, who stepped down amid controversy over his former firm's role in a scandal, had been managing government's recent takeover of a huge swath of the domestic auto industry and making decisions for auto companies. The pay czar can reject or accept any current and future compensation for the top 100 earners at companies that received money from the Troubled Assets Relief Program. In the coming months he will decide the fate of $235 million in pending retention bonuses at AIG. The health czar, meanwhile, has become as influential as perhaps anyone in the Obama administration. She will play a key role in determining which medicines, treatments and cures are deemed necessary for the public.

The point is not that Obama's reliance on czars is illegal. Nor are these czars bad people. It's that we have not been able to vet them, and we have no idea what they're doing. Obama made a pledge to keep Congress in the light. Yet six months after his inauguration, he appears intent to keep Congress more and more in the dark. Dozens of czars at a time.



 

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  posted on 8/2/2009 at 01:17 PM
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Let's play "Name that Czar
Let's not.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2009 at 01:26 PM
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" Rush Limbaugh would be reduced to a drooling idiot".....this has been a reality for many years now. Or at least when he was Doctor shopping to feed his Oxycontin habit.




roflmao... i was going to say "reduced?"

sounds more like a promotion

 

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  posted on 8/2/2009 at 01:33 PM
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The pay czar can reject or accept any current and future compensation for the top 100 earners at companies that received money from the Troubled Assets Relief Program. In the coming months he will decide the fate of $235 million in pending retention bonuses at AIG.


how much taxpayer bailout dollars did these "earners" receive? and do we really want to "retain" the people that ran a company who cost taxpayers so much?

I will await your answer with open mind, but not while holding my breath

 

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  posted on 8/2/2009 at 01:33 PM
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At last count, there were at least 32 active czars - more czars than Imperial Russia.



That is truly awesome. What does it mean?

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