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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 04:43 PM


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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 04:58 PM
How else do you bankrupt a country? Give the Turtles and Otters $5 million dollars. Brilliant. We might as well follow the way of California and totally bankrupt the nation.

Of course I don't have a problem with it if we had a surplus? I gues the fed can just print more, right!

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:04 PM
I don't think the problem in this country is spending $5,000,000 on research to protect wildlife. I think the damage inflicted on the citizens of this country by speculators, Wall Street, the mortgage industry and the auto industry is the real problem. Also all the crooked politicians that look to their own personal benbefit instead of seving their constituents !!
 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:14 PM
What's $5 million amongst friends, right? How much of this crap is going on? Do you really think this is being fiscally responsible? Get a clue! You can't save the planet, species die everyday, let them go with dignity.

George Carlin: Saving the Planet. LOL. Too funny!
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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:18 PM
If someone doesn't see the need to protect our fragile ecosystem, nothing we can say will make a difference. If we're going to destroy their enviroment we can at least try to protect tthe turtles and otters.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:20 PM
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What's $5 million amongst friends, right? How much of this crap is going on? Do you really think this is being fiscally responsible? Get a clue! You can't save the planet, species die everyday, let them go with dignity.
Are you suggesting that we, as guests on this planet, have no responsibility towards trying to keep it healthy and living?
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causes of high sea otter mortality, which are thought to include malnutrition, shark attacks, entanglement in fishing gear, boat strikes, shooting and proliferation of harmful algae.
Doesn't sound dignified to me.

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:20 PM
I think the presence of these animals will return at least that in tourist dollars.
 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:23 PM
I've been doing beaver research for years and ain't been paid chit.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:25 PM
Critics Worry Measure to Save Wild Horses Is Taxpayer Drain

A bill that would save wild horses and burros in the western United States from controlled killings and set aside millions of acres for them is heading to the Senate after being passed in the House of Representatives this month.
By William Lajeunesse

Taxpayers could be on the hook for $700 million if a measure to put wild horses back home on the range passes Congress.

A bill that would save wild horses and burros in the western United States from controlled killings and set aside millions of acres for them is heading to the Senate after passing the House of Representatives this month.

But the price tag, at a time of economic recession and gaping deficits, has some lawmakers champing at the bit to bridle the movement to finance and save these symbols of the American West.

"People have lost their jobs. They can't keep their homes. And the answer to people losing their homes is -- let's go spend $700 million for homes and welfare for wild horses," said Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas.

"The leaders of this Congress have more concern for creating a home for horses than jobs for Americans," said Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah.

Wild mustangs and burros have been under federal protection for nearly 40 years, but the fast-growing population has become unmanageable.

Under the Restore Our American Mustangs Act, the number of acres that the estimated 36,000 wild horses roam would increase from 33 million to 53 million -- an area larger than New York and New England put together, or about 10 square miles per horse.

Horse lovers have been adopting the animals to save them from being put down, but in this economy, such adoptions have dramatically declined.

Advocates of the bill say it could actually save money by reducing the amount spent on keeping the horses in pens.

"It's not good for the horses and it's wasting money, frankly," said Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va.

Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., called the current program "terribly ineffective."

But foes see the plan as a clear drain on taxpayer dollars. The new bill would provide millions for contraception, rounding up thousands of animals each year for castration and even birth control pills. The Congressional Budget Office estimated it would cost about $200 million over the next five years, and up to $500 million after 2013 to secure the additional land.

"This is bad environmental policy. It's bad grass policy," said Rep. Cynthia Lummis, R-Wyo.

This is all very laughable with the economic state of our country. Do you reallly think you can go around saving species like it is your "job" to do it? Are you god? Species die every day and it is NOT the responsiblilty of humans to play god and try to "save" them all.


 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:29 PM
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I think the presence of these animals will return at least that in tourist dollars.


That's like saying the new health care bill will save us money in the long run?

Yeah, for my next vacation, I am going out to see the Sea Otters and the Turtles? LOL>

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:34 PM
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This is all very laughable with the economic state of our country. Do you reallly think you can go around saving species like it is your "job" to do it? Are you god? Species die every day and it is NOT the responsiblilty of humans to play god and try to "save" them all.
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causes of high sea otter mortality, which are thought to include malnutrition, shark attacks, entanglement in fishing gear, boat strikes, shooting and proliferation of harmful algae.
If a species annihilation is due to human intervention I think we do have some responsibility for trying to change things. Your comments sound like you feel this is natural selection. How is it 'playing God' to try to help save the planet but not when participating in it's destruction?

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:41 PM
keep drinking that kool-aid lola, it seems to suit you quite nicely. If you don't understand that we are BROKE as a nation and don't have any money than I can't help you.

I am not saying it isn't a noble cause, now is just not the time to be spending $710 MILLION dollars on animals, that's all.

There is a reason California is broke and writing IOU's.


Becuase you can't bankrupt a country overnight, it takes time, and your kids money!

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:44 PM
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I am not saying it isn't a noble cause,
Sure sounded like it...
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Do you reallly think you can go around saving species like it is your "job" to do it? Are you god? Species die every day and it is NOT the responsiblilty of humans to play god and try to "save" them all.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 05:50 PM
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I think the presence of these animals will return at least that in tourist dollars.


That's like saying the new health care bill will save us money in the long run?

Yeah, for my next vacation, I am going out to see the Sea Otters and the Turtles? LOL>



No, scuba divers and wildlife lovers never go on vacation. I guess all the whale watching trips that leave with full loads of tourists paying big money will still go out even if there is no wildlife to see. Heck, Belize has built an entire tourist industry around ecotourism. But I guess you don't know anything about Belize.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 08:15 PM
Sorry, this is not a reasonable long term investment with zero return. Brilliant. Spend Spend Spend. Don't you guys understand we have to borrow the money from China to fund these projects? The interest alone is staggering.
 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 08:17 PM
And yet, since the program started under another administration why is it a problem only now?

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 08:30 PM
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I've been doing beaver research for years and ain't been paid chit.


LMAO! But you got those fringe benefits...

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 08:31 PM
To be fair, otters are shrewd investors and turtles believe in slow growth monetary policies so they should yield very good returns. Horses, on the other hand, have been causing havoc in the money markets for years , so screw 'em. Of course horses have been conspiring to destroy this country one race at a time. I think that the return on investments from turtlesa and otters will offset the money that the horses will lose, so it's a wash. Plus, horses are touting bullion as an investment, so that pretty much tells you where they stand. Turtles are unanimous in their belief that the US economy will not melt down by September. My conclusion is that jpb is pushing the horse's economic policy. I just wonder which end your getting your advice from.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 08:39 PM
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I've been doing beaver research for years and ain't been paid chit.

That's because they have sugar daddies in Brazil

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 09:10 PM
How can you argue with some poor defenseless animal,you crazy right wing radicals?

Doesn't it make you feel bad?

This is an emotional issue that transcends country, money or ideology.

Isn't that enough?

Stop the insanity.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 10:16 PM
I remember an Earl Nightengale story about leadership during tough times, and the sea captain who's ship was taking on water halfway across the ocean. In the old days when a ship crossing the Atlantic was taking on water, the captain had some tough choices to make, deciding what to throw overboard to keep from sinking. And that he did. Everything that was not absolutely essential to the success of the voyage started hitting the drink, often every bit of the precious cargo they were carrying, and everything down to personal items.

Today, the lack of leadership in Washington and the unwillingness to make tough choices begs the question of whether the ship will even make it to the destination. Not only is nothing getting thrown overboard, but it would appear we're docking with other ships and taking on more needless cargo. It's too late to do anything once the ship hits the bottom of the ocean.

The sea captain (leader) realized that, above all, it was his responsibility to make sure the passage was a success. Everything else was secondary. It might not have been as comfortable as it could have been but at least they saved the ship and made it across alive. At least they didn't founder.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 10:24 PM
I think you hit the nail on the head. No one in office today is willing to make the difficult decisions to jettison the 'cargo' to lighten the load. Sort of like everyone wants tax reform but they don't want to lose their personal deductions. We either all need to tighten our belts and hurt a little bit to get through this or we're all going to go down together.....well, at least those without the golden parachutes.

 

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I remember an Earl Nightengale story about leadership during tough times, and the sea captain who's ship was taking on water halfway across the ocean. In the old days when a ship crossing the Atlantic was taking on water, the captain had some tough choices to make, deciding what to throw overboard to keep from sinking. And that he did. Everything that was not absolutely essential to the success of the voyage started hitting the drink, often every bit of the precious cargo they were carrying, and everything down to personal items.

Today, the lack of leadership in Washington and the unwillingness to make tough choices begs the question of whether the ship will even make it to the destination. Not only is nothing getting thrown overboard, but it would appear we're docking with other ships and taking on more needless cargo. It's too late to do anything once the ship hits the bottom of the ocean.

The sea captain (leader) realized that, above all, it was his responsibility to make sure the passage was a success. Everything else was secondary. It might not have been as comfortable as it could have been but at least they saved the ship and made it across alive. At least they didn't founder.


Outstanding analogy. And without taking political sides and downgrading opposing viewpoints.

 

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I remember an Earl Nightengale story about leadership during tough times, and the sea captain who's ship was taking on water halfway across the ocean. In the old days when a ship crossing the Atlantic was taking on water, the captain had some tough choices to make, deciding what to throw overboard to keep from sinking. And that he did. Everything that was not absolutely essential to the success of the voyage started hitting the drink, often every bit of the precious cargo they were carrying, and everything down to personal items.

Today, the lack of leadership in Washington and the unwillingness to make tough choices begs the question of whether the ship will even make it to the destination. Not only is nothing getting thrown overboard, but it would appear we're docking with other ships and taking on more needless cargo. It's too late to do anything once the ship hits the bottom of the ocean.

The sea captain (leader) realized that, above all, it was his responsibility to make sure the passage was a success. Everything else was secondary. It might not have been as comfortable as it could have been but at least they saved the ship and made it across alive. At least they didn't founder.


Outstanding analogy. And without taking political sides and downgrading opposing viewpoints.


Thank you, Rich.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 07:09 AM
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What's $5 million amongst friends, right? How much of this crap is going on? Do you really think this is being fiscally responsible? Get a clue! You can't save the planet, species die everyday, let them go with dignity.


When are you going?

 

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