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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 12:45 PM


[Edited on 8/20/2009 by jerryphilbob]

 
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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 12:53 PM
Ooohhhh, youtube, what fun.
 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 01:01 PM
The governor and democrats here in Michigan have been talking and talking and talking and talking and talking and talking and talking and talking and talking.. about green jobs for years.

Our unemployment rate is nearing 16%.

If you want to know what BarryO is going to do to the country in the next couple years you have only to look at Michigan now. It ain't pretty, folks.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 01:17 PM
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If you want to know what BarryO is going to do to the country in the next couple years you have only to look at Michigan now. It ain't pretty, folks.




Your living proof of that..

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 01:25 PM
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What would the unemployment rate be in Michigan if Obama hadn't bailed out GM and Chrysler?


No one knows. You can't prove a negative. BarryO can claim all day he's save hundreds of thousands of jobs but he's just blowing hot air. As usual.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 01:30 PM
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What would the unemployment rate be in Michigan if Obama hadn't bailed out GM and Chrysler?


No one knows. You can't prove a negative. BarryO can claim all day he's save hundreds of thousands of jobs but he's just blowing hot air. As usual.


You can't? If GM and Chrysler went under there might have been fewer people unemployed?




Nope, you can't. BarryO can claim he "saved" jobs but it's completely unverifiable. Now, the jobs that were sure to be created by the stimulus, that's another story...

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 01:55 PM
So you think the bailouts were ok? You don't think they would have come out of bankruptcy had they filed like all other american companies should? You think it was OK for Obama to fire CEO's of corporations? You think it was OK to put the bondholders at the back of the line, instead of the front? What kind of fascism do you support? Or is that socialism? No matter, it's not capitalism or the American way.

Because you can't destory a democracy overnight, it takes time, and your kids money!

Now This is a GREEN job!

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 02:53 PM
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Where are all the "Green Jobs" ????

http://www.movingtobelizeguide.com/belize_employment/

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 09:14 PM
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I'm going with what I feel is the logical conclusion that the vast majority of the overall stimulus dollars have yet to be dispersed.


Here's a dilemma they're facing. Only 10% of the stimulus has been spent and the administration wants to say the economy is starting to show signs of improvement, "the stimulus is working." They can't really sell that too aggressively though, because the numbers are still terrible, so that's a problem. On another hand, they still have to try dropping in some positives here and there to guard against people thinking they blew it, as they have been doing. With every week that goes by without some numbers turning north, the seat gets hotter. They need some results. People want their lives back and this thing was supposed to jumpstart the economy.

But, if the economy starts to recover with such a small percentage spent, they can't give the stimulus (and themselves) much credit. And if the economy is starting to recover (mainly on it's own, as it normally does) why is it necessary to spend the remaining $700 Billion? If the economy is recovering, shouldn't we use that remaining money to pay down debt? And many will ask why we borrowed any of it in the first place.

[Edited on 7/31/2009 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 09:25 PM
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I'm going with what I feel is the logical conclusion that the vast majority of the overall stimulus dollars have yet to be dispersed.


Here's a dilemma they're facing. Only 10% of the stimulus has been spent and the administration wants to say the economy is starting to show signs of improvement, "the stimulus is working." They can't really sell that too aggressively though, because the numbers are still terrible, so that's a problem. On another hand, they still have to try dropping in some positives here and there to guard against people thinking they blew it, as they have been doing. With every week that goes by without some numbers turning north, the seat gets hotter. They need some results. People want their lives back and this thing was supposed to jumpstart the economy.

But, if the economy starts to recover with such a small percentage spent, they can't give the stimulus (and themselves) much credit. And if the economy is starting to recover (mainly on it's own, as it normally does) why is it necessary to spend the remaining $700 Billion? If the economy is recovering, shouldn't we use that remaining money to pay down debt? And many will ask why we borrowed any of it in the first place.

[Edited on 7/31/2009 by alloak41]


According to your figuring if the economy starts to recover, Obama had nothing to do with it, but if it doesn't, it's Obama's fault. Gee, I never thought that you would ever be so partisan.


But, I didn't lay out a scenario of if NOT recovering..

It always does.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 09:49 PM
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I'm going with what I feel is the logical conclusion that the vast majority of the overall stimulus dollars have yet to be dispersed.


Here's a dilemma they're facing. Only 10% of the stimulus has been spent and the administration wants to say the economy is starting to show signs of improvement, "the stimulus is working." They can't really sell that too aggressively though, because the numbers are still terrible, so that's a problem. On another hand, they still have to try dropping in some positives here and there to guard against people thinking they blew it, as they have been doing. With every week that goes by without some numbers turning north, the seat gets hotter. They need some results. People want their lives back and this thing was supposed to jumpstart the economy.

But, if the economy starts to recover with such a small percentage spent, they can't give the stimulus (and themselves) much credit. And if the economy is starting to recover (mainly on it's own, as it normally does) why is it necessary to spend the remaining $700 Billion? If the economy is recovering, shouldn't we use that remaining money to pay down debt? And many will ask why we borrowed any of it in the first place.

[Edited on 7/31/2009 by alloak41]


According to your figuring if the economy starts to recover, Obama had nothing to do with it, but if it doesn't, it's Obama's fault. Gee, I never thought that you would ever be so partisan.


But, I didn't lay out a scenario of if NOT recovering..

It always does.


No matter what happens, you wouldn't give Obama any credit. That is obvious.


Time will tell.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 11:00 PM
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What would the unemployment rate be in Michigan if Obama hadn't bailed out GM and Chrysler?


If Bush hadn't used TARP funds for Chrysler and GM in December then Obama might never have got the chance to bail them out. Just wanting to make sure the blame or praise depending on your perspective gets put in the right spot.

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Nope, you can't. BarryO can claim he "saved" jobs but it's completely unverifiable. Now, the jobs that were sure to be created by the stimulus, that's another story...


They can probably point to public sector jobs that would have been lost had it not been for federal stimulus dollars. Like school teachers, firemen, or other government workers who are getting caught up in the budget shortfalls. I hear it all the time locally about having to lay people off if they can't come up with more revenue for budgets. So if the federal government supplies the money then they could probably have an idea the number of jobs that money saved. I'll agree that when it comes to measuring private sector jobs saved it is pretty unverifiable. But eh, who needs private sector jobs, everyone can just work for the government, hey there's an idea!

So maybe the stimulus money bridges the gap. But what if the distance between point A to point B doesn't come back together like they hope? What if the stimulus dollars are just propping things up that can't be supported by the natural process. Then what? The 2nd (or actually 3rd, or would it be 4th) stimulus. Are we to just keep getting stimulated forever...until that green economy with it's 5 million jobs rolls around that is.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2009 at 11:22 PM
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quote: What would the unemployment rate be in Michigan if Obama hadn't bailed out GM and Chrysler?



If Bush hadn't used TARP funds for Chrysler and GM in December then Obama might never have got the chance to bail them out. Just wanting to make sure the blame or praise depending on your perspective gets put in the right spot.



His point was that the unemployment rate is high in Michigan because of Obama. My point was that it would have been higher without Obama's stimulus. He says that's not provable, but if you believe that GM and Chrysler going under would have no effect on the unemployment rate in Michigan, you are being disingenuous.



Oh no, I do agree with the stance you are taking on that. Although technically the bailouts/rescues/loans given to GM and Chrysler weren't part of the stimulus (Recovery and Reinvestment Act) were they?

But then it must also be true that the unemployment in Michigan would have been higher without Bush's rescue.

[Edited on 7/31/2009 by nebish]

 

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I'm going with what I feel is the logical conclusion that the vast majority of the overall stimulus dollars have yet to be dispersed.


Here's a dilemma they're facing. Only 10% of the stimulus has been spent and the administration wants to say the economy is starting to show signs of improvement, "the stimulus is working." They can't really sell that too aggressively though, because the numbers are still terrible, so that's a problem. On another hand, they still have to try dropping in some positives here and there to guard against people thinking they blew it, as they have been doing. With every week that goes by without some numbers turning north, the seat gets hotter. They need some results. People want their lives back and this thing was supposed to jumpstart the economy.

But, if the economy starts to recover with such a small percentage spent, they can't give the stimulus (and themselves) much credit. And if the economy is starting to recover (mainly on it's own, as it normally does) why is it necessary to spend the remaining $700 Billion? If the economy is recovering, shouldn't we use that remaining money to pay down debt? And many will ask why we borrowed any of it in the first place.

[Edited on 7/31/2009 by alloak41]


According to your figuring if the economy starts to recover, Obama had nothing to do with it, but if it doesn't, it's Obama's fault. Gee, I never thought that you would ever be so partisan.


But, I didn't lay out a scenario of if NOT recovering..

It always does.


No matter what happens, you wouldn't give Obama any credit. That is obvious.


Time will tell.


Now you sound like RBK.


Hmmm....Well if I was Barack I think it would be a good time to take a vacation. Maybe work some behind the scenes, but just disappear for a week or two. I think he's gotten overexposed just a bit. I think it would be good to freshen up and re-group a little..

 

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  posted on 7/31/2009 at 12:38 AM
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Probably went along to San Francisco,to fund that horror/porno gig the NEA is backing,that got $25,000 of stimulus money.
Where the f*&^does this jive end or stop ?


actually Luke you are quite right, here in the bay area, ALL OVER CALIFORNIA really,
i see windmills, solar panels, organic food, hybrid vehicles....

Now i can't cite specifically how many jobs that has created but I do know FIRST HAND of many people in my neighborhood who have worked on projects or for companies in the
GREEN INDUSTRIES

and even the 25K for the "ART" you described, will create jobs and tax revenues

 

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