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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 12:21 PM
How about a lively debate on how much of a problem or non problem this subject really is.

The way i see it i will bet that over 40% of healthcare is now related to this problem, And I for one do not want to help pay doctor bills for those that sit on their A$$'$ and eat a Mickey D's. on the other hand i am more than willing to help those with legit health problems regardless of what they are... your thoughts please...

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 12:33 PM
Johnny's battled his weight on and off for years and it was discovered he's got an malfunctioning thyroid. He's on medication but he still has to watch his diet. Because of this, I have a sensitivity to obesity, it's causes and the health issues involved.

One of the things my mother picked up on years ago is that additives to the food of our meat supply....the ones that plump up the animal.....transfer to the person consuming the food. These need to be outlawed.

Economic conditions dictate what lower income people consume because the more fattening carbohydrates are the least expensive. I don't know exactly what to do about that situation.

There should be more of a focus on how to eat right within a budget....that might help with the above listed problem.

And there should be more focus on physical activity at school and at home. We are a very lazy society.

The people I know who struggle with their weight are aware of what this condition is doing to their overall health and they've all tried more than one diet. Perhaps if our society focused more on 'wellness' and less on 'treatment' we could turn our young people into another direction. That's where it needs to start.

Oh, one more thing....we need to stop glorifying anorexic models as the ideal body shape.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 12:35 PM
I know one problem, people that think the healthcare lobby is big, they should check the size of the agribusiness lobby.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 12:41 PM





[Edited on 7/29/2009 by SquatchTexas]

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 12:44 PM
I watched a few of the Man v. Food shows and was more than a little upset over the gluttony exhibited. All I could think of was those children in Africa I grew up being told about (and you all know what I mean) and they were making a show like that while people elsewhere are starving.

 

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Johnny's battled his weight on and off for years and it was discovered he's got an malfunctioning thyroid. He's on medication but he still has to watch his diet. Because of this, I have a sensitivity to obesity, it's causes and the health issues involved.

One of the things my mother picked up on years ago is that additives to the food of our meat supply....the ones that plump up the animal.....transfer to the person consuming the food. These need to be outlawed.

Economic conditions dictate what lower income people consume because the more fattening carbohydrates are the least expensive. I don't know exactly what to do about that situation.

There should be more of a focus on how to eat right within a budget....that might help with the above listed problem.

And there should be more focus on physical activity at school and at home. We are a very lazy society.

The people I know who struggle with their weight are aware of what this condition is doing to their overall health and they've all tried more than one diet. Perhaps if our society focused more on 'wellness' and less on 'treatment' we could turn our young people into another direction. That's where it needs to start.

Oh, one more thing....we need to stop glorifying anorexic models as the ideal body shape.


Awesome post Ann i agree with you 100% additive to all out foods and especially meats , the growth hormones and antibiotics given to the animals we eat should indeed be outlawed...

I read a article about kids and how far they roam from home today as compared to the 60's it went from a mile to like 300 feet..... parents number one reason scared for their kids wacko's child predators... they should be extinct!

the fast food market along with parents that do not give a hoot and are fat themselves is a big concern it just seems no one cares anymore.

I weighed about 165 most of my life i got up to 190 and my cholesterol went to 270 the doc wanted to put me on lipator i told him to go f--k himself that was not the problem i was so i came home quit eating , cheese, bread,eggs,(once a week now) ice cream , and sweets, i lost 15 lbs in the next 3 weeks then i started running and am up to 5 miles every other day i am almost to my original wt. now and i feel a thousand percent better.. i will get my cholesteral rechecked in 3 weeks i bet it is much lower...

Alot of health problems go away when you get healthy...

 

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I read a article about kids and how far they roam from home today as compared to the 60's it went from a mile to like 300 feet..... parents number one reason scared for their kids wacko's child predators... they should be extinct!



Also no video games, internet or text messaging in the 60s...

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 12:59 PM
There always has to be a villain to shake a finger at. Smokers, insurance companies, guns, SUV's, profits, radio talk show hosts, Wall Street, greedy doctors, stupid cops, oil companies, ect, ect. And the list keeps growing. Personally I'll keep eating, drinking, and smoking what I want.

If I want to keep my living quarters cold enough to hang meat in, I'll continue to do so. I want to be FREE to drive a Hummer to the donut shop if I CHOOSE, but I promise not to shoot holes in the road signs on the way.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 01:03 PM
This is a good piece from Consumer Reports about high fructose corn syrup:

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The whole truth about high-fructose corn syrup

An ad has been making waves lately. It is one of three commercials that the Corn Refiners Association debuted last month to “change the conversation about high-fructose corn syrup.”

In the ad, one mother begins to lecture another about the dangers of high-fructose corn syrup in the “red juice” (as such products were always called in my house) that is being served at a children’s party. The second mother turns the tables and catches the other speechless about what exactly is wrong with the corn-derived sweetener, and finally delivers the Corn Refiners’ message, “It’s made from corn, doesn’t have artificial ingredients, and like sugar, it’s fine in moderation.”

Let’s take the Corn Refiners’ points one by one:

"It’s made from corn." True. High-fructose corn syrup is indeed made from corn. But you won’t get the same beneficial nutrients in it that you would from eating an ear of corn.

"Doesn’t have artificial ingredients." Partly true. The claim about artificial ingredients is a tricky one, since high-fructose corn syrup is processed using artificial agents. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has stated that if the final product has come in contact with synthetic agent glutaraldehyde, then it cannot be called “natural,” which they define as meaning no artificial or synthetic ingredients were added. But if the manufacturer uses the artificial agent in its production, and it does not come in contact with the corn starch, it can be considered a natural product. So its possible that some high-fructose corn syrups may be able to claim “no artificial ingredients,” according to the FDA, while others would not be permitted the phrase. It’s distinctions like these that lead Consumers Union to consider the “natural” label not meaningful.

"Like sugar, it’s fine in moderation." True. Most foods are fine in moderation. It’s too much or too little that causes problems. However, some would probably argue that with high-fructose corn syrup in so many products, to truly enjoy it in moderation you’d probably be better off leaving the “red juice” on the shelf.

So what has happened to “the conversation about high-fructose corn syrup” in the first place that led its manufacturers to want to rehabilitate its reputation?

In 2004, researchers from the Louisiana State University and University of North Carolina published a paper that theorized that high-fructose corn syrup in beverages could play a role in the obesity epidemic. They looked at the correlation between the 1,000 percent increase in high-fructose corn syrup consumption between 1970 and 1990, and a correlating rise in obesity rates. Because of the way the body metabolizes fructose from beverages, the researchers argued, it may play a role in the obesity epidemic.

High fructose corn syrup has become one of the boogeymen of processed foods. The Corn Refiners Association is probably right in noting that it has no known special risk compared to table sugar. While it has been implicated in a rise of Type 2 diabetes, obesity, and other health problems, high-fructose corn syrup and white sugar are almost identical chemically; each is about half fructose and half glucose.

The association between high-fructose corn syrup and obesity may reflect that we consume so much of it. Nearly all sugars add empty calories to our diets. And because high fructose corn syrup is the main sweetener in most soft drinks and a common one in other foods (including breakfast cereals, salad dressings, cheese spreads, yogurts, jams, and peanut butter, among others), many people may just consume more of it then other sugars. But that doesn’t mean that there’s definitely no added risk from fructose in general. A new study of rats by researchers from the University of Florida suggests that a diet high in fructose may lead the body to develop a resistance to a protein called leptin, which helps control appetite. More research is needed to fully understand the relationship.

We do know that Americans can stand to cut back on sugar. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the average American should consume no more than about 40 grams of added sugars a day–added sugars don’t include those that occur naturally in fruit and other foods. But the average American consumed more than three times that in 2000. People who want to limit their overall sugar intake would be wise to cut down on products that have added sugars, including high-fructose corn syrup, listed among the first several ingredients, which are listed by proportional weight on the label. But be aware, sugars can hide under a variety of names. Replacing soft drinks with water has been shown to reduce total calories consumed by kids.

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/health/2008/10/high-fructose-c.html


 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 01:05 PM
Allowing our children to roam the neighborhood like I did in the 50s isn't an option today because of the dangers involved. I spent hours outside playing with the kids in a two block area. Now most of us live in suburbs without sidewalks and people don't know their neighbors.

Also, have any of you had a school lunch lately? I used to eat with our grandson periodically and the food was loaded with carbohydrates.

 

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Allowing our children to roam the neighborhood like I did in the 50s isn't an option today because of the dangers involved. I spent hours outside playing with the kids in a two block area. Now most of us live in suburbs without sidewalks and people don't know their neighbors.

Also, have any of you had a school lunch lately? I used to eat with our grandson periodically and the food was loaded with carbohydrates.


I've got a six year old. How about the grocery store product marketing...





Am I making a statement against mac & cheese? Of course not. I love the stuff. But, we get bombarded with the branding on everything, you could put a lump of mud in a box with SpongeBob on it and the kid would want it!

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 01:15 PM
Watch it....I'm guilty of buying that Spongebob lump of mud! Seriously, you're right....and if you watch any of the cartoons you tend to get the idea they're just shows to fill space between marketing products bad for kids.

However, it's still up to the parents to say no. Can of Spongebob Spaghettios anyone?

 

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Watch it....I'm guilty of buying that Spongebob lump of mud! Seriously, you're right....and if you watch any of the cartoons you tend to get the idea they're just shows to fill space between marketing products bad for kids.

However, it's still up to the parents to say no. Can of Spongebob Spaghettios anyone?


You really have to be careful. I'll tell you a diabetic landmine for kids...fruit juice. Holy crap, check the nutrional info on some of those, it'll blow your mind!

 

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Watch it....I'm guilty of buying that Spongebob lump of mud! Seriously, you're right....and if you watch any of the cartoons you tend to get the idea they're just shows to fill space between marketing products bad for kids.

However, it's still up to the parents to say no. Can of Spongebob Spaghettios anyone?


You really have to be careful. I'll tell you a diabetic landmine for kids...fruit juice. Holy crap, check the nutrional info on some of those, it'll blow your mind!


Very high calorie, indeed.

Same with Gatorade.

 

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Anybody seen Food, Inc?

There are a lot of eye opening things in that movie.

 

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Watch it....I'm guilty of buying that Spongebob lump of mud! Seriously, you're right....and if you watch any of the cartoons you tend to get the idea they're just shows to fill space between marketing products bad for kids.

However, it's still up to the parents to say no. Can of Spongebob Spaghettios anyone?


that is soooo true... there are certain things my 6 year old has in her mind that she doesn't like but then she'll see it in "kid" packaging & has to have it...and thoroughly enjoys it simply because she thinks it's something a kid is supposed to like.

 

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Watch it....I'm guilty of buying that Spongebob lump of mud! Seriously, you're right....and if you watch any of the cartoons you tend to get the idea they're just shows to fill space between marketing products bad for kids.

However, it's still up to the parents to say no. Can of Spongebob Spaghettios anyone?


that is soooo true... there are certain things my 6 year old has in her mind that she doesn't like but then she'll see it in "kid" packaging & has to have it...and thoroughly enjoys it simply because she thinks it's something a kid is supposed to like.


Funny thing is...many of those kid branded things taste absolutely horrid.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 01:36 PM
that damn high fructose corn syrup & corn syrup...ugh~ it's in so many things & even things you may not think they are. i primarily try to follow a southbeach diet lifestyle which eliminates most processed & packaged foods, flour, "bad" carbs, sugars, starches etc. i have become a label reader over the past few years & it amazes me the things that have one or both high fructose corn syrup & corn syrup listed within the first 3 ingredients ~ it's crazy. i actually feel a big difference physically when i stay away from that kind of stuff & stick more with protiens, fruits, vegetables & whole grain stuff although it is a challenge in today's society.

[Edited on 7/29/2009 by peachygurl]

 

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Watch it....I'm guilty of buying that Spongebob lump of mud! Seriously, you're right....and if you watch any of the cartoons you tend to get the idea they're just shows to fill space between marketing products bad for kids.

However, it's still up to the parents to say no. Can of Spongebob Spaghettios anyone?


that is soooo true... there are certain things my 6 year old has in her mind that she doesn't like but then she'll see it in "kid" packaging & has to have it...and thoroughly enjoys it simply because she thinks it's something a kid is supposed to like.


Funny thing is...many of those kid branded things taste absolutely horrid.



yeah, they do, lol! & you pay much more often times too!

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 01:40 PM
Supposedly the more stuff you buy from the outer rim of the grocery store, the healthier you will be. Plus, that's where the beer is.

 

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Supposedly the more stuff you buy from the outer rim of the grocery store, the healthier you will be. Plus, that's where the beer is.


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mmmm, beer









 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 02:02 PM
The new Burger King Steakhouse Burger:



"The Steakhouse Burger is packed with flame-broiled beef, melted cheese, crispy onions, lettuce, and red ripe tomatoes, all smothered in A.1.® Thick & Hearty Steak Sauce. It's the burger that thinks it's a T-bone. A.1.® is registered trademarks of Kraft Foods."

950 calories
59g fat
55g carbs
12g sugar
1950mg sodium





 

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great posts folks, i was a run around kid in the 50's heck we never stood still very long base ball fishing, building forts etc etc and today kids think that stuff is dumb but i tell you the next generation or two better wise up or they will be the sickest generations ever in the history of man. Fast food is convienent yes but it is also a death sentence for inactive kids diabetes, joint and skin troubles and way to much overall fat.

i am lucky (in my way of thinking) i live in a place i could raise my kids like i was raised, now both have their own kids and live in big cities i am worried for them. I see my friends here with kids 12 or 13 and they are 50 lbs overweight i am worried for them as well.. So what can we as voters do about this?

 

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great posts folks, i was a run around kid in the 50's heck we never stood still very long base ball fishing, building forts etc etc and today kids think that stuff is dumb but i tell you the next generation or two better wise up or they will be the sickest generations ever in the history of man. Fast food is convienent yes but it is also a death sentence for inactive kids diabetes, joint and skin troubles and way to much overall fat.

i am lucky (in my way of thinking) i live in a place i could raise my kids like i was raised, now both have their own kids and live in big cities i am worried for them. I see my friends here with kids 12 or 13 and they are 50 lbs overweight i am worried for them as well.. So what can we as voters do about this?


Well, you can't make people eat this or that, but I think a good start would be that any food sold, be it in the grocery store or in restaurants, you have be told exactly what it is you are eating. There are a few large corporate restaurant chains that don't publish nutritional information.

Of course, you could say, yeah, dude, sounds good, but most of the food already has that and people abuse food anyway. Great point. I'd like to figure out why it is that healthy food is so expensive...probably just market forces at work. The smart a$$ in me has always found the word "organic" funny in its use, "Look, organic tomatoes!" Well, is that tomato really organic, or is organic just a neat way to charge $3 for one effing tomato?

It goes back to any concern in a capitalistic society of how you can tell businesses how to do business. Heck, we haven't even talked about portion control...some places are just silly. My wife and I call Cheesecake Factory "Defibrillator Factory."

 

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