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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 04:32 PM
Few things bother me more than racism. After the whole blowup this past week over the officer, gates and ultimately, Obama, some questioned whether or not Gates or the officer were letting race play a factor. Now, more than ever, I think Gates probably provoked the whole thing and the officer made the mistake of arresting him on a minor charge rather than letting him stew in his own juices.

Apparently more is coming on Mr. Gates and his views of race in America.

To his eventual embarrassment, he wrote in his Yale application:

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."


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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 04:37 PM
its a sad for professior gates when al sharpton is making more sense than him

 

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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 04:41 PM
It sounds like both parties over-reacted in this situation.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 04:44 PM
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It sounds like both parties over-reacted in this situation.


Sadly, absolutely.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 04:52 PM
Apparently this thing was a little over-blown, as the lady who made the 911 call never said anything about two black men. When asked, she said one appeared to be Hispanic and she couldn't tell about the other.

I think Gates jumped to the conclusion he was being racially profiled, and I don't think he was. He should have kept his cool and thanked the cop for checking on his house.

And the cop should have left when he realized there was no crime committed, no matter what Gates was saying to him. Arresting him only fed fuel to the conflict between police and the black community.

As a side note, when I was in New Orleans, one day I got a knock at my door, and several National Guard troops were standing outside. They said they got a call about a problem at my address. I assured them I had not called, and that I had no problem. They never asked me for ID, never asked to look around, just took my word for it and went and hung out on the neutral ground across the street. I could have been an intruder, with victims in the house, and they'd have never known. I really don't know why they even came to my house. I think they were bored.



[Edited on 7/27/2009 by SantaCruzBluz]

 

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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 07:50 PM
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its a sad for professior gates when al sharpton is making more sense than him


Al Sharpton... now there's one for the ages. He's almost as fast as Jesse "On The Spot" Jackson when the cause suits their needs.

I don't know who this Gates guy is and I don't the issues he's had to face in life. He's probably not a lot of fun to be around at a party. He should "calibrate" his words better like his buddy the President.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 09:11 PM
Enough already!, after becoming "Jacko" TV for weeks! hannity and co. is all over this now 24/7. isnt there more important things going on in the country/world??.

[Edited on 7/28/2009 by pops42]

 

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  posted on 7/28/2009 at 07:37 AM
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It sounds like both parties over-reacted in this situation.


Yes indeed but our so called president reacted like a leftist street agitator, er, community organizer by kneejerkedly remarking that "the police acted stupidly." The teachable moment in all of this is that we, once again, get to see where our Dear Leader's head is at.

 

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  posted on 7/28/2009 at 08:01 AM
I think gates profiled the cop as the typical white cop who was profiling a black man.
 

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  posted on 7/28/2009 at 08:22 AM
Denying that there is a major problem in this country with regards to racism is as irrational as non-rich people voting for republicans. Racism not only exists, but is prevalent in our society. It is sad but true. If you donít acknowledge this and admit that cops are guilty of excessive racial profiling, you must be living in a dream world.
 

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  posted on 7/28/2009 at 08:28 AM
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Denying that there is a major problem in this country with regards to racism is as irrational as non-rich people voting for republicans.


Or as irrational as this statement.

 

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If you donít acknowledge this and admit that cops are guilty of excessive racial profiling, you must be living in a dream world.


And your proof is what again?

 

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  posted on 7/28/2009 at 08:18 PM
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To his eventual embarrassment, he wrote in his Yale application:

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."


http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&pid=0&sid=1725138&page=2


The people you choose to associate with go a long way in defining who a person really is. How many more friends, associates, or mentors is it going to take before Obama fans start to realize all is not right in River City?

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 08:50 AM
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To his eventual embarrassment, he wrote in his Yale application:

"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."


http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&pid=0&sid=1725138&page=2


The people you choose to associate with go a long way in defining who a person really is. How many more friends, associates, or mentors is it going to take before Obama fans start to realize all is not right in River City?


Another judgment based on what you want to see. Yes, a statement on an application written in the late 50s. There was certainly no institutional racism then, was there? How about you, you think the same way you did when you were 18? Are you willing to have someone judge you now on a belief you may have had then?

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 09:16 AM
Glenn Beck said on Fox & Friends yesterday that Obama is a racist. I'm not so sure what is more eyebrow-raising, the fact that Beck said it or the fact that Fox actually made a public "the opinions expressed by guests are not necessarily the opinions of the network" statement.

Beck may have a point. As an American white male, I can say that we've certainly been one oppressed and disadvantaged demographic, yessir.

I wonder if Beck's (and millions of others, I'm sure) belief that Obama is a racist means that Obama hated his mother?

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 10:10 AM
I think its sad with all the social injustices in this country
thats happening this moment


that so much time is wasted on this

 

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As an American white male, I can say that we've certainly been one oppressed and disadvantaged demographic, yessir.



I catch the sarcasm, but just because one is not oppressed and disadvantaged does not mean one cannot be racist. Just ask Marge Schott!! Incidentally, a few months ago on Howard Stern they had guests come on and play their favorite Stern show moments. So Jimmy Kimmel played the shows where Billy West would pretend to be Marge Schott. Now, that was friggin' hilarious.

Some of the post here remind me of the play Avenue Q. Anyone see that? Its quite funny. Think Muppets for adults. Great part in the play called Everyone's A Little Bit Racist:

Princeton:
Say, Kate, can I ask you a question?

Kate Monster:
Sure!

Princeton:
Well, you know Trekkie Monster upstairs?

Kate Monster:
Uh huh.

Princeton:
Well, he's Trekkie Monster, and you're Kate Monster.

Kate Monster:
Right.

Princeton:
You're both Monsters.

Kate Monster:
Yeah.

Princeton:
Are you two related?

Kate Monster:
What?! Princeton, I'm surprised at you! I find that racist!

Princeton:
Oh, well, I'm sorry! I was just asking!

Kate Monster:
Well, it's a touchy subject.
No, not all Monsters are related.
What are you trying say, huh?
That we all look the same to you?
Huh, huh, huh?

Princeton:
No, no, no, not at all. I'm sorry,
I guess that was a little racist.

Kate Monster:
I should say so. You should be much more
careful when you're talking about the
sensitive subject of race.

Princeton:
Well, look who's talking!

Kate Monster:
What do you mean?

Princeton:
What about that special Monster School you told me about?

Kate Monster:
What about it?

Princeton:
Could someone like me go there?

Kate Monster:
No, we don't want people like you-

Princeton:
Ha ha! You see?!

You're a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:
Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:
I guess we're both a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:
Admitting it is not an easy thing to do...

Princeton:
But I guess it's true.

Kate Monster:
Between me and you,
I think

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Sometimes.
Doesn't mean we go
Around committing hate crimes.
Look around and you will find
No one's really color blind.
Maybe it's a fact
We all should face:
Everyone makes judgments
Based on race.

Princeton:
Now not big judgments, like who to hire
or who to buy a newspaper from -

Kate Monster:
No!

Princeton:
No, just little judgments like thinking that Mexican
busboys should learn to speak goddamn English!

Kate Monster:
Right!

Both:
Everyone's a little bit racist
Today.
So, everyone's a little bit racist.
Okay!
Ethinic jokes might be uncouth,
But you laugh because
They're based on truth.
Don't take them as
Personal attacks.
Everyone enjoys them -
So relax!

Princeton:
All right, stop me if you've heard this one.

Kate Monster:
Okay!

Princeton:
Alright, there's a plan going down and there's only
one paracute. And there's a rabbi, a priest...

Kate Monster:
And a black guy!

Gary Coleman:
Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Kate?

Kate Monster:
Uh...

Gary Coleman:
You were telling a black joke!

Princeton:
Well, sure, Gary, but lots of people tell black jokes.

Gary Coleman:
I don't.

Princeton:
Well, of course you don't - you're black!
But I bet you tell Polack jokes, right?

Gary Coleman:
Well, sure I do. Those stupid Polacks!

Princeton:
Now, don't you think that's a little racist?

Gary Coleman:
Well, damn, I guess you're right.

Kate Monster:
You're a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:
Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:
We're all a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:
I think that I would
Have to agree with you.

Princeton/Kate Monster:
We're glad you do.

Gary Coleman:
It's sad but true!
Everyone's a little bit racist -

All right!

Kate Monster:
All right!

Princeton:
All right!

Gary Coleman:
All right!
Bigotry has never been
Exclusively white.

All:
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
Even though we all know
That it's wrong,
Maybe it would help us
Get along.

Princeton:
Oh, Christ do I feel good.

Gary Coleman:
Now there was a fine upstanding black man!

Princeton:
Who?

Gary Coleman:
Jesus Christ.

Kate Monster:
But, Gary, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:
No, Jesus was black.

Kate Monster:
No, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:
No, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was black-

Princeton:
Guys, guys...Jesus was Jewish!

Brian:
Hey guys, what are you laughing about?

Gary Coleman:
Racism!

Brian:
Cool.

Christmas Eve:
BRIAN! Come back here!
You take out lecycuraburs!

Princeton:
What's that mean?

Brian:
Um, recyclables.
Hey, don't laugh at her!
How many languages do you speak?

Kate Monster:
Oh, come off it, Brian!

Everyone's a little bit racist.

Brian:
I'm not!

Princeton:
Oh no?

Brian:
Nope!

How many Oriental wives
Have you got?

Christmas Eve:
What? Brian!

Princeton:
Brian, buddy, where you been?
The term is Asian-American!

Christmas Eve:
I know you are no
Intending to be
But calling me Oriental -
Offensive to me!

Brian:
I'm sorry, honey, I love you.

Christmas Eve:
And I love you.

Brian:
But you're racist, too.

Christmas Eve:
Yes, I know.
The Jews have all
The money
And the whites have all
The power.
And I'm always in taxi-cab
With driver who no shower!

Princeton:
Me too!

Kate Monster:
Me too!

Gary Coleman:
I can't even get a taxi!

All:
Everyone's a little bit racist
It's true.
But everyone is just about
As racist as you!
If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
And everyone stopped being
So PC
Maybe we could live in -
Harmony!

Christmas Eve:
Evlyone's a ritter bit lacist!

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 10:57 AM
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I wonder if this is a reflection of that growing distaste.


Growing distaste? In light of the ratings, maybe CNN and CSNBC would be more suitable examples.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 11:13 AM
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To me this just means: we will continue to give Glenn Beck the platform and the opportunity to offer his uniquely-deranged commentary without restraint or fear or repercussion, but just don't blame us for anything he says or does.


to me it means, the almighty dollar overrules ethics, morality, honesty and common sense

"if it makes money it ain't bad"

Capitalism will always measure $ucce$$ via A$$et$

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 11:15 AM
in "other" words...

If you ain't rich or you don't bring in
large sums of revenue...

You're a LIABILTY

regardless of what you think or how you act

 

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I wonder if this is a reflection of that growing distaste.


Growing distaste? In light of the ratings, maybe CNN and CSNBC would be more suitable examples.


Last I checked those weren't Rupert Murdoch properties. Regardless, there's no shame in not winning in the ratings. However, there's lots of shame in giving Glenn Beck a television program.


Would it be possible that "growing distaste" could be reflected in shrinking ratings? It doesn't appear FOX has that problem and Beck's ratings are absolutely not suffering.

 

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  posted on 7/29/2009 at 11:23 AM
If people don't believe there are still things wrong with this country they're sticking their heads in the sand. We still have a subtle degree of class warfare, we still have raging undercurrents of racism and anti-semitism. We have prejudice against over weight people, etc. Until it's all out in the open and people honestly examine their on personal prejudices and make an effort to be more understanding this country will continue to be divided in a number of ways.

 

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If people don't believe there are still things wrong with this country they're sticking their heads in the sand. We still have a subtle degree of class warfare, we still have raging undercurrents of racism and anti-semitism. We have prejudice against over weight people, etc. Until it's all out in the open and people honestly examine their on personal prejudices and make an effort to be more understanding this country will continue to be divided in a number of ways.


That sandbox appears to be bigger than ever.

 

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That sandbox appears to be bigger than ever.


I have a theory that the past eight years allowed people to wallow in their prejudices from a position of authority. Now that things have changed they feel threatened and are becoming vocal in their paranoia and racism. I think there is so much more ugliiness out there that hasn't risen to the surface yet that it's almost scary. People I know around here have said things that have left me speechless a time or two.

 

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I wonder if this is a reflection of that growing distaste.


Growing distaste? In light of the ratings, maybe CNN and CSNBC would be more suitable examples.


Last I checked those weren't Rupert Murdoch properties. Regardless, there's no shame in not winning in the ratings. However, there's lots of shame in giving Glenn Beck a television program.


Would it be possible that "growing distaste" could be reflected in shrinking ratings? It doesn't appear FOX has that problem and Beck's ratings are absolutely not suffering.


No one is talking about ratings, just decency. I don't believe that at this stage in his life Murdoch is concerned with winning a ratings battle at any costs. Regardless, FOX would be winning with or without Glenn Beck because of the slavish devotion of FOX viewers to the brand.

It's quite clear that FOX has a problem with what Beck said, otherwise they wouldn't have issued such a statement, which is 100% out of character for their organization.


I don't think they have a problem with it at all. Kind of like when an attorney says something outrageous during a trial that the judge has stricken. Stricken or not, he still said it. You can erase the paper but you can't erase people's minds.

 

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