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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 12:53 PM


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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 12:57 PM
he couldn't find a youtube vid

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 01:00 PM
It's not so much who "owns" it, but rather who makes the key decisions. The concept of a central bank that is kinda-sorta-not really controlled by the government it finances came from the Rothschild family in the mid to late 1800s, and a lot of other old money families have influence as well.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 01:04 PM
lol. That link is from the Federal Reserve. It does not answer who the owners truly are? Who makes the interest on the dollar? It isn't the United States? Who owns the World Bank and who owns the IMF?

I found that youtube clip. Thanks for the tip!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWKlz2Z4Nlo

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 01:09 PM
That is weird because the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers are the same people that run the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, etc. It is finally becoming clear as to who is really calling the shots and who truly runs this country. I am sure they have the citizens best interest at heart. Surely this isn't just about control and making money. I wonder if Obama was thier candidate hand picked and that Hillary lost on purpose and McCain tanked it as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing is fixed.
 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 01:11 PM
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I wonder if Obama was thier candidate hand picked and that Hillary lost on purpose and McCain tanked it as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing is fixed.

LMAO!!! Is it scary in your head?

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 01:12 PM
It turns out that the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers also own the World Bank and the IMF! That explains alot. I can see where they would benefit from a one world currency and why Russia and China are on board with this idea.
 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 01:29 PM
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It turns out that the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers also own the World Bank and the IMF! That explains alot. I can see where they would benefit from a one world currency and why Russia and China are on board with this idea.


So does that mean Ethan Hunt work's for them? Cool.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 01:55 PM
It's probably better to think of it as a club. If you're a member, you get a voice in how monetary policy is decided. How much money should we print and have in circulation? What kind of interest rates should be charged? How much leverage should we permit banks to use on their investments?

The cumulative effect of these decisions is that you can adjust much of how a society functions (or doesn't) by controlling the currency and money rules.

Since the members mostly represent large banking and investment concerns, they are essentially setting the rules from which they can best profit. Its kind of like walking into a casino and having the power to change the key rules of the game to favor yourself, any time you like. Almost a no-lose proposition.

Given that the dollar has been the world's reserve currency for a number of decades now, membership in the Fed means that you're in control of the world's biggest money game. But as the US declines, the interest shifts to seeing how power can be extended further. Hence the idea of a world financial system.

The conspiracy theorists among us would say that the recent bailouts and the less-well-known, but far larger, Fed commitments to financial institutions and other central banks are a means of pumping the remaining wealth of the nation into the bankers coffers (in other words: theirs!). In this way, they are preparing themselves with the assets necessary fashion whatever comes next. True? Who knows. But the fact that credit still remains frozen for many only fuels the suspicion.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 03:36 PM
Study up on the Rothchild's involvement in world affairs since the seventeen hundereds and how they influenced history. Very interesting reading and pertains to this topic.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 03:40 PM
We pay interest on every dollar that the fed prints, who gets that interest? Someone is cashing in, and it's not us.
 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 04:33 PM
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Just curious. I know it isn't owned by our government. So who is the real owners? Why can't we audit the fed? And when congress talks of passing such a bill, the fed threatens us with higher interest rates? So who are the real owners of the dollar?


...sigh... This issue is so crazy that we are all dumber for having read it. The Fed has been audited many times.

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/flaherty6.html

http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/fedpoint/fed35.html

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 06:22 PM
When was the fed audited by the US Government?

HR1027 The Federal Reserve Transparency Act (2009)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PC9fkLMZmo&feature=related

Bernanke says auditing the fed would be dangerous to the economy? What?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjULF_Xg6Ps

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 10:31 PM
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Just curious. I know it isn't owned by our government. So who is the real owners? Why can't we audit the fed? And when congress talks of passing such a bill, the fed threatens us with higher interest rates? So who are the real owners of the dollar?
...sigh... This issue is so crazy that we are all dumber for having read it. The Fed has been audited many times.
From one of your links Squatch -

"Internal audits are conducted by a permanent audit staff at each Reserve Bank. Each audit staff is headed by a general auditor who reports directly to the Bank's board of directors. In addition, a private CPA firm conducts an annual examination of each Reserve Bank and its branches on behalf of the Federal Reserve Board. External audits were instituted in recent years in place of annual examinations by the Board of Governors to ensure total independence in this process.

Operations at each Federal Reserve Bank also are subject to review by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the audit arm of the U.S. Congress. However, GAO auditors are restricted by law from reviewing monetary policy operations and transactions carried out by the Federal Reserve on behalf of foreign central banks. This restriction was imposed by Congress to assure the independence of the Federal Reserve from political influence."

Essentially, the Fed audits itself, hires CPA's to certify its process, but doesn't reveal any details. Not exactly transparent. All the important stuff like reviewing monetary policy and letting the taxpayers know where the Fed has committed their money is completely hidden. Notice the phrase "subject to review by the GAO". That doesn't mean GAO is doing any reviewing, which would be worthless if they did because all the important stuff is restricted.

The only dumbing going on is the citizens who don't understand that this institution has caused them to lose the value of their earnings via inflation and is responsible for the cycles of boom and bust as they manipulate monetary policy.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2009 at 09:22 AM
"However, GAO auditors are restricted by law from reviewing monetary policy operations and transactions carried out by the Federal Reserve on behalf of foreign central banks. This restriction was imposed by Congress to assure the independence of the Federal Reserve from political influence."

I'm curious if Ron Paul's proposed legislation addresses this specific issue. I also wonder if both these internal and external audits conducted by the Reserve itself are available for review by outside parties, i.e. the citizen tax payers? And besides, audit's are only as good as those conducting them. In other words, if the Federal Reserve is controlling them, they can "cook" them anyway they wish.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2009 at 09:55 AM
You were looking at the NY Federal Reserve link. I posted that for just some additional information. If you look at:

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/flaherty6.html

You should see that the US Federal Reserve is indeed audited and there are numerous citations at the bottom of the information.

This is simply more conspiracy garbage.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2009 at 10:10 AM
but it wasn't available in a youtube vid

 

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  posted on 7/24/2009 at 10:32 AM
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I wonder if Obama was thier candidate hand picked and that Hillary lost on purpose and McCain tanked it as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing is fixed.

LMAO!!! Is it scary in your head?


LOL

 

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  posted on 7/24/2009 at 11:03 AM
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We pay interest on every dollar that the fed prints, who gets that interest? Someone is cashing in, and it's not us.


OK. I'll admit it.

It's me.

There.


20 years ago in college I was recruited by the CFR to take part in their nefarious
schemes. Something that would mess all the conspiracy theorists out there.

Anyway, I was given Double Top Secret and a hand shake cleareance into the
Fed data processing central CPU.

After being a dyed in the wool "Superman III" addict, I wrote my own version
of a Salami slicing app.

Since then I modified it so the dark co-conspirators got most of everything.
I get a modest 2% at this point.

So there it is.

However, the latest Minimum Wage increase, I may be out a of job soon.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2009 at 11:18 AM
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You were looking at the NY Federal Reserve link. I posted that for just some additional information. If you look at:

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/flaherty/flaherty6.html

You should see that the US Federal Reserve is indeed audited and there are numerous citations at the bottom of the information.

This is simply more conspiracy garbage.
Being someone who tries hard to find facts, historic example, or authoritative opinion to back up any debate point, I greatly admire others who do the same. So I appreciate the links Squatch.

But to say the Fed is audited simply doesn't put the subject to rest. What parts were/are audited? There are certainly many activities that are open and reported on, as your links indicate. There are also many that are not. And for the most part, those are the some of the most important ones.

How else do we end up with testimony where congressional members are asking Fed representatives questions about how trillions get added to their balance sheet (and off-balance sheet) lately, and where did this money go, only to receive answers that the information is secret. The famous Rep. Grayson exchange is a great example -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJqM2tFOxLQ&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj0JAfq4esk&feature=channel

Take away the conspiracy theory stuff of NWO, etc. These guys are making commitments with our money and won't tell us a thing about what they're doing. These activities are not being audited or publicly exposed in any way. When trillions are being tossed around in secret dealings, its pretty natural for some to suspect nefarious intent, wouldn't you say?


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  posted on 7/24/2009 at 11:56 AM
Ron Paul is the last true hope for our country.
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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 10:40 AM
This seems very appropriate for this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmxpf4CRiwM


Kinda surprisng for this to be on MSNBC

 

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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 12:00 PM
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Take away the conspiracy theory stuff of NWO, etc.


Boy I'll say. I just spent my lunchtime reading about the Denver airport.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 12:33 PM
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Boy I'll say. I just spent my lunchtime reading about the Denver airport.


As long as you didn't spend it reading about Bob Weir and Newt Gingrich running around in their underwear listening to Walter Cronkite narrate some crazy story in the woods of Northern California....I've already forgotten the name of that place...Bohemian Grove, that's it. Just came to me.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2009 at 12:38 PM
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Boy I'll say. I just spent my lunchtime reading about the Denver airport.


As long as you didn't spend it reading about Bob Weir and Newt Gingrich running around in their underwear listening to Walter Cronkite narrate some crazy story in the woods of Northern California....I've already forgotten the name of that place...Bohemian Grove, that's it. Just came to me.


Oh, that place is more than just those two. Pretty much every important Republican in the last 70 years or so has been a member, including every Republican President since 1923. (Some Democrats, too!)

 

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