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  posted on 7/21/2009 at 07:19 PM
When the New York Times gives room to print a piece critical of liberals, something must be up. Step back from the party aspect of this, and it sums up a good bit of what's wrong with Washington: they're out of touch with reality.

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Liberal Suicide March

By DAVID BROOKS
Published: July 20, 2009


It was interesting to watch the Republican Party lose touch with America. You had a party led by conservative Southerners who neither understood nor sympathized with moderates or representatives from swing districts.

They brought in pollsters to their party conferences to persuade their members that the country was fervently behind them. They were supported by their interest groups and cheered on by their activists and the partisan press. They spent federal money in an effort to buy support but ended up disgusting the country instead.

It’s not that interesting to watch the Democrats lose touch with America. That’s because the plotline is exactly the same. The party is led by insular liberals from big cities and the coasts, who neither understand nor sympathize with moderates. They have their own cherry-picking pollsters, their own media and activist cocoon, their own plans to lavishly spend borrowed money to buy votes.

This ideological overreach won’t be any more successful than the last one. A Washington Post-ABC News poll released Monday confirms what other polls have found. Most Americans love Barack Obama personally, but support for Democratic policies is already sliding fast.

Approval of Obama’s handling of health care, for example, has slid from 57 percent to 49 percent since April. Disapproval has risen from 29 percent to 44 percent. As recently as June, voters earning more than $50,000 preferred Obama to the Republicans on health care by a 21-point margin. Now those voters are evenly split.

Most independents now disapprove of Obama’s health care strategy. In March, only 32 percent of Americans thought Obama was an old-style, tax-and-spend liberal. Now 43 percent do.

We’re only in the early stages of the liberal suicide march, but there already have been three phases. First, there was the stimulus package. You would have thought that a stimulus package would be designed to fight unemployment and stimulate the economy during a recession. But Congressional Democrats used it as a pretext to pay for $787 billion worth of pet programs with borrowed money. Only 11 percent of the money will be spent by the end of the fiscal year — a triumph of ideology over pragmatism.

Then there is the budget. Instead of allaying moderate anxieties about the deficits, the budget is expected to increase the government debt by $11 trillion between 2009 and 2019.

Finally, there is health care. Every cliché Ann Coulter throws at the Democrats is gloriously fulfilled by the Democratic health care bills. The bills do almost nothing to control health care inflation. They are modeled on the Massachusetts health reform law that is currently coming apart at the seams precisely because it doesn’t control costs. They do little to reward efficient providers and reform inefficient ones.

The House bill adds $239 billion to the federal deficit during the first 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office. It would pummel small businesses with an 8 percent payroll penalty. It would jack America’s top tax rate above those in Italy and France. Top earners in New York and California would be giving more than 55 percent of earnings to one government entity or another.

Nancy Pelosi has lower approval ratings than Dick Cheney and far lower approval ratings than Sarah Palin. And yet Democrats have allowed her policy values to carry the day — this in an era in which independents dominate the electoral landscape.

Who’s going to stop this leftward surge? Months ago, it seemed as if Obama would lead a center-left coalition. Instead, he has deferred to the Old Bulls on Capitol Hill on issue after issue.

Machiavelli said a leader should be feared as well as loved. Obama is loved by the Democratic chairmen, but he is not feared. On health care, Obama has emphasized cost control. The chairmen flouted his priorities because they don’t fear him. On cap and trade, Obama campaigned against giving away pollution offsets. The chairmen wrote their bill to do precisely that because they don’t fear him. On taxes, Obama promised that top tax rates would not go above Clinton-era levels. The chairmen flouted that promise because they don’t fear him.

Last week, the administration announced a proposal to take Medicare spending decisions away from Congress and lodge the power with technocrats in the executive branch. It’s a good idea, and it might lead to real cost savings. But there’s no reason to think that it will be incorporated into the final law. The chairmen will never surrender power to an administration they can override.

That leaves matters in the hands of the Blue Dog Democrats. These brave moderates are trying to restrain the fiscal explosion. But moderates inherently lack seniority (they are from swing districts). They are usually bought off by leadership at the end of the day.

And so here we are again. Every new majority overinterprets its mandate. We’ve been here before. We’ll be here again.

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  posted on 7/21/2009 at 08:30 PM
"brave moderates"....does anyone else think thats an oxymoron?

Me thinks David Brooks is giving credit where it does not belong.

 

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Those numbers are flawed. Everybody knows that Obama has at least a 90% approval rating right now!

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Heh, I think most everyone knows which party is ruining America and it isn't the Dems, other than those brave blue dogs. When you have the very industries paying water carriers like Brooks to distort and lie about the very system that has brought us to this low point in our history and defending the status quo, well, what can you say? He does have a good argument about how political parties can implode, although at this time, there is not much evidence that the dems are about to become as irrelevant as the reps. It was the republicans, mainly, that dislike government, have no ideas, no interest in governing, and it was their social experiments such as trickle down and deregulation that got us where we are today. It is their failures that are causing the anguish for millions, their policies and experiments that have laid us low. People wanted change, Obama's central issue on the campaign was reform of health care, and we, as a society, agreed. It is just too bad that the republicans failed so badly, left America in ruins, and will be costly to clean up the mess. You can't blame people for wanting to go in a different direction after such a failure. Personally, I worry much more about going bankrupt from getting sick than I do about deficits. Most people do, I would think. But after spending like drunken sailors for years, these same people are now all of a sudden concerned about spending...well they have no credibility at all. How many lies are in this article? Too many. Lies and half truths, that is what the right wing in this country has to offer. It is sad.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2009 at 08:35 AM
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When the New York Times gives room to print a piece critical of liberals, something must be up.


It's not that surprising. It's David Brooks, for pete's sake.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2009 at 08:39 AM
Time and time again, many peole in Congress have "beating the other party" as their number 1 motivation, not doing what is right for the American people(see quote from last week - "this will be Obama's Waterloo"). I think this is in part true for both sides, but see more of it from the GOP. Some of the things they are saying about the proposed health care measures are out and out lies.

Now - I don't agree with everything proposed by the Dems either, but it would seem that working together and exchanging ideas would be a much better way to go than the current BS that is happenin on the Hill.

David Gergen (formerly employed by Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Clinton) said that during the Clinton admin, Dole was ready to strike a deal on health care, but the GOP made him not compromise in the name of "winning". The result was no health care reform, a system that continues to go down the tubes, and, of course, the GOP takeover of the House in 94.
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Seeing everything through a party prism is what's ruining America. They've both been criminally negligent in their management of the nation's business.

Gotta love this part: "social experiments such as trickle down and deregulation that got us where we are today"

Don't like trickle down? Well how is that any different than what we've evolved into under Mr. Hope & Change? If trickle down is a small group of elites getting most of the benefits, with the rest of society hoping to get a piece of the action, then how do you explain what's going on with all this Washington-directed recovery nonsense?

A small group of elites and lobbyists are deciding who gets the public's goodies from the Treasury. And surprise! surprise! - its all their buddies in banks, unions, and powerful Wall St. firms. Small business; screw them! Income tax cuts for the individual, hell no! But $10 billion to Goldman Sachs; yes indeedie! Use taxpayer money to let a foreign firm and the UAW could buy Chrysler - no problem! There's plenty more here if you need it, good buddy - as long as you keep voting for me.

You cite and damn one economic model and don't even realize you're living the exact same thing, only managed by liberals this time. It's called "Trickle Down Recovery" now. But is the shiny new liberal trickle down, so there's nothing to be concerned about.

The difference is that we're not playing just with tax breaks or incentives on current economic activity. We're racking up debt on future generations faster than ever imagined to fulfill some Keynesian utopia. Oh, there's another difference: in order to succeed in this model, you've got kowtow to the current political powers and philosophy. Say goodbye to any of the concepts of liberty that Americans believed in for generations. If you don't like the trickle that Washington let's you have, you're SOL.

 

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Seeing everything through a party prism is what's ruining America. They've both been criminally negligent in their management of the nation's business.



 

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Seeing everything through a party prism is what's ruining America. They've both been criminally negligent in their management of the nation's business.

Gotta love this part: "social experiments such as trickle down and deregulation that got us where we are today"

Don't like trickle down? Well how is that any different than what we've evolved into under Mr. Hope & Change? If trickle down is a small group of elites getting most of the benefits, with the rest of society hoping to get a piece of the action, then how do you explain what's going on with all this Washington-directed recovery nonsense?

A small group of elites and lobbyists are deciding who gets the public's goodies from the Treasury. And surprise! surprise! - its all their buddies in banks, unions, and powerful Wall St. firms. Small business; screw them! Income tax cuts for the individual, hell no! But $10 billion to Goldman Sachs; yes indeedie! Use taxpayer money to let a foreign firm and the UAW could buy Chrysler - no problem! There's plenty more here if you need it, good buddy - as long as you keep voting for me.

You cite and damn one economic model and don't even realize you're living the exact same thing, only managed by liberals this time. It's called "Trickle Down Recovery" now. But is the shiny new liberal trickle down, so there's nothing to be concerned about.

The difference is that we're not playing just with tax breaks or incentives on current economic activity. We're racking up debt on future generations faster than ever imagined to fulfill some Keynesian utopia. Oh, there's another difference: in order to succeed in this model, you've got kowtow to the current political powers and philosophy. Say goodbye to any of the concepts of liberty that Americans believed in for generations. If you don't like the trickle that Washington let's you have, you're SOL.


I agree with much you say here. I will point out that it was not Keynesian economics that brought about this recent collapse. It is the only way to get us out of the mess, though, unless you don't mind a ten or twenty year stretch of most people suffering horribly. Whether the current congress can help this situation or not reamins to be seen, what is not in doubt is the philosophy that got us here.

 

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  posted on 7/22/2009 at 01:00 PM
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out a bunch of pointy-headed, left wing elitists would demonstrate how drastically out of touch with America they are in such a short amount of time. Hell, democrats have been promoting their delusions of Utopia for years, ALWAYS over reaching. History merely repeats.

 

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Heh, I think most everyone knows which party is ruining America and it isn't the Dems, other than those brave blue dogs. When you have the very industries paying water carriers like Brooks to distort and lie about the very system that has brought us to this low point in our history and defending the status quo, well, what can you say? He does have a good argument about how political parties can implode, although at this time, there is not much evidence that the dems are about to become as irrelevant as the reps. It was the republicans, mainly, that dislike government, have no ideas, no interest in governing, and it was their social experiments such as trickle down and deregulation that got us where we are today. It is their failures that are causing the anguish for millions, their policies and experiments that have laid us low. People wanted change, Obama's central issue on the campaign was reform of health care, and we, as a society, agreed. It is just too bad that the republicans failed so badly, left America in ruins, and will be costly to clean up the mess. You can't blame people for wanting to go in a different direction after such a failure. Personally, I worry much more about going bankrupt from getting sick than I do about deficits. Most people do, I would think. But after spending like drunken sailors for years, these same people are now all of a sudden concerned about spending...well they have no credibility at all. How many lies are in this article? Too many. Lies and half truths, that is what the right wing in this country has to offer. It is sad.


Yes, things were just awful during those dreaded GOP years. Positive GDP growth, 5% unemployment, deficit 1/4 the size of it is now, DJIA hitting 14,161. What a mess! How did we make it through all that? Much better numbers now.

 

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Heh, I think most everyone knows which party is ruining America and it isn't the Dems, other than those brave blue dogs. When you have the very industries paying water carriers like Brooks to distort and lie about the very system that has brought us to this low point in our history and defending the status quo, well, what can you say? He does have a good argument about how political parties can implode, although at this time, there is not much evidence that the dems are about to become as irrelevant as the reps. It was the republicans, mainly, that dislike government, have no ideas, no interest in governing, and it was their social experiments such as trickle down and deregulation that got us where we are today. It is their failures that are causing the anguish for millions, their policies and experiments that have laid us low. People wanted change, Obama's central issue on the campaign was reform of health care, and we, as a society, agreed. It is just too bad that the republicans failed so badly, left America in ruins, and will be costly to clean up the mess. You can't blame people for wanting to go in a different direction after such a failure. Personally, I worry much more about going bankrupt from getting sick than I do about deficits. Most people do, I would think. But after spending like drunken sailors for years, these same people are now all of a sudden concerned about spending...well they have no credibility at all. How many lies are in this article? Too many. Lies and half truths, that is what the right wing in this country has to offer. It is sad.


Yes, things were just awful during those dreaded GOP years. Positive GDP growth, 5% unemployment, deficit 1/4 the size of it is now, DJIA hitting 14,161. What a mess! How did we make it through all that? Much better numbers now.


Yes, it was all BS and it all fell apart, and it didn't fall apart on January 20th.

But, I'm talking to the Perfect. I keep forgetting.

 

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Heh, I think most everyone knows which party is ruining America and it isn't the Dems, other than those brave blue dogs. When you have the very industries paying water carriers like Brooks to distort and lie about the very system that has brought us to this low point in our history and defending the status quo, well, what can you say? He does have a good argument about how political parties can implode, although at this time, there is not much evidence that the dems are about to become as irrelevant as the reps. It was the republicans, mainly, that dislike government, have no ideas, no interest in governing, and it was their social experiments such as trickle down and deregulation that got us where we are today. It is their failures that are causing the anguish for millions, their policies and experiments that have laid us low. People wanted change, Obama's central issue on the campaign was reform of health care, and we, as a society, agreed. It is just too bad that the republicans failed so badly, left America in ruins, and will be costly to clean up the mess. You can't blame people for wanting to go in a different direction after such a failure. Personally, I worry much more about going bankrupt from getting sick than I do about deficits. Most people do, I would think. But after spending like drunken sailors for years, these same people are now all of a sudden concerned about spending...well they have no credibility at all. How many lies are in this article? Too many. Lies and half truths, that is what the right wing in this country has to offer. It is sad.


Yes, things were just awful during those dreaded GOP years. Positive GDP growth, 5% unemployment, deficit 1/4 the size of it is now, DJIA hitting 14,161. What a mess! How did we make it through all that? Much better numbers now.


Yes, it was all BS and it all fell apart, and it didn't fall apart on January 20th.

But, I'm talking to the Perfect. I keep forgetting.


C'mon Hawk, just needling a bit. Goliath made me do it!

I guess it falls flat with those who blame all our problems on one party or the other.

 

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Heh, I think most everyone knows which party is ruining America and it isn't the Dems, other than those brave blue dogs. When you have the very industries paying water carriers like Brooks to distort and lie about the very system that has brought us to this low point in our history and defending the status quo, well, what can you say? He does have a good argument about how political parties can implode, although at this time, there is not much evidence that the dems are about to become as irrelevant as the reps. It was the republicans, mainly, that dislike government, have no ideas, no interest in governing, and it was their social experiments such as trickle down and deregulation that got us where we are today. It is their failures that are causing the anguish for millions, their policies and experiments that have laid us low. People wanted change, Obama's central issue on the campaign was reform of health care, and we, as a society, agreed. It is just too bad that the republicans failed so badly, left America in ruins, and will be costly to clean up the mess. You can't blame people for wanting to go in a different direction after such a failure. Personally, I worry much more about going bankrupt from getting sick than I do about deficits. Most people do, I would think. But after spending like drunken sailors for years, these same people are now all of a sudden concerned about spending...well they have no credibility at all. How many lies are in this article? Too many. Lies and half truths, that is what the right wing in this country has to offer. It is sad.


Yes, things were just awful during those dreaded GOP years. Positive GDP growth, 5% unemployment, deficit 1/4 the size of it is now, DJIA hitting 14,161. What a mess! How did we make it through all that? Much better numbers now.


Yes, it was all BS and it all fell apart, and it didn't fall apart on January 20th.

But, I'm talking to the Perfect. I keep forgetting.


C'mon Hawk, just needling a bit. Goliath made me do it!

I guess it falls flat with those who blame all our problems on one party or the other.


I blame the Democratic Party for all kinds of things. I have no problem saying that. That's the difference between me and my Republican counterparts.

 

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Heh, I think most everyone knows which party is ruining America and it isn't the Dems, other than those brave blue dogs. When you have the very industries paying water carriers like Brooks to distort and lie about the very system that has brought us to this low point in our history and defending the status quo, well, what can you say? He does have a good argument about how political parties can implode, although at this time, there is not much evidence that the dems are about to become as irrelevant as the reps. It was the republicans, mainly, that dislike government, have no ideas, no interest in governing, and it was their social experiments such as trickle down and deregulation that got us where we are today. It is their failures that are causing the anguish for millions, their policies and experiments that have laid us low. People wanted change, Obama's central issue on the campaign was reform of health care, and we, as a society, agreed. It is just too bad that the republicans failed so badly, left America in ruins, and will be costly to clean up the mess. You can't blame people for wanting to go in a different direction after such a failure. Personally, I worry much more about going bankrupt from getting sick than I do about deficits. Most people do, I would think. But after spending like drunken sailors for years, these same people are now all of a sudden concerned about spending...well they have no credibility at all. How many lies are in this article? Too many. Lies and half truths, that is what the right wing in this country has to offer. It is sad.


Yes, things were just awful during those dreaded GOP years. Positive GDP growth, 5% unemployment, deficit 1/4 the size of it is now, DJIA hitting 14,161. What a mess! How did we make it through all that? Much better numbers now.


It did all blow up, indicating a need to, first, acknowledge failure, and two, how to go about rebuilding a better and stronger society. The things that were tried in the last couple of decades need to be called out as destructive and not in the best interests of the whole country. It is a time for new ideas and a new direction as well as level headed solutions to the very real problems that good governance can provide. This is the very reason why we are screwed, LOL.

Seriuosly, the last two national elections at least show that most people recognize failure and want something done about it, regardless of whether any real reform is enacted by congress., Say what you will about the democrats, but they are bringing ideas to the table addressing the issues facing us, and all the repubs (including the repubs known as blue dog demss..) are doing is trying to keep the status quo intact by hook or by crook and with the same old 'policies' as their counter. Essentially asking people to support the very ideas that drove America into a collossal dung heap to start with...oy.

 

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all the repubs (including the repubs known as blue dog demss..) are doing is trying to keep the status quo intact by hook or by crook and with the same old 'policies' as their counter


Actually, in the President's press conference tonight he said the republicans had a lot of good ideas. Then again, they are all really the same.

 

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Heh, I think most everyone knows which party is ruining America and it isn't the Dems, other than those brave blue dogs. When you have the very industries paying water carriers like Brooks to distort and lie about the very system that has brought us to this low point in our history and defending the status quo, well, what can you say? He does have a good argument about how political parties can implode, although at this time, there is not much evidence that the dems are about to become as irrelevant as the reps. It was the republicans, mainly, that dislike government, have no ideas, no interest in governing, and it was their social experiments such as trickle down and deregulation that got us where we are today. It is their failures that are causing the anguish for millions, their policies and experiments that have laid us low. People wanted change, Obama's central issue on the campaign was reform of health care, and we, as a society, agreed. It is just too bad that the republicans failed so badly, left America in ruins, and will be costly to clean up the mess. You can't blame people for wanting to go in a different direction after such a failure. Personally, I worry much more about going bankrupt from getting sick than I do about deficits. Most people do, I would think. But after spending like drunken sailors for years, these same people are now all of a sudden concerned about spending...well they have no credibility at all. How many lies are in this article? Too many. Lies and half truths, that is what the right wing in this country has to offer. It is sad.


Yes, things were just awful during those dreaded GOP years. Positive GDP growth, 5% unemployment, deficit 1/4 the size of it is now, DJIA hitting 14,161. What a mess! How did we make it through all that? Much better numbers now.


Yes, it was all BS and it all fell apart, and it didn't fall apart on January 20th.

But, I'm talking to the Perfect. I keep forgetting.


C'mon Hawk, just needling a bit. Goliath made me do it!

I guess it falls flat with those who blame all our problems on one party or the other.


I blame the Democratic Party for all kinds of things. I have no problem saying that. That's the difference between me and my Republican counterparts.


Yes, and many here were blaming dems and Obama when the DJIA was backsliding in January just as he was taking office. Six months later the DJIA is above 9k for the first time since then and none of those same people are even bringing it up. Shocking.

 

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Look at it clear-eyed:

BarryO has the Presidency and his party runs both houses of Congress. He has all the democrat votes he needs to pass this disaster but it it isn't happening. That's hardly the fault of the minority Republicans nor is it the fault of the democrats who won't sign off on the POS. The fault lies entirely with BarryO and his apparatchiks. They have >>>FAILED<<< to present a viable plan. Hence they are FAILURES.

 

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Look at it clear-eyed:

BarryO has the Presidency and his party runs both houses of Congress. He has all the democrat votes he needs to pass this disaster but it it isn't happening.


You and Derek dont seem to understand the issue at all with regard to "60". Not every bill being voted on is going to get complete support from the sponsoring party. Do you understand that?

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That's hardly the fault of the minority Republicans nor is it the fault of the democrats who won't sign off on the POS. The fault lies entirely with BarryO and his apparatchiks. They have >>>FAILED<<< to present a viable plan. Hence they are FAILURES.


And the plan presented by the Republicans is where?

 

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RBK has >>>FAILED<<< to present a viable position on anything. Hence he is a FAILURE.


Agreed.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 01:33 PM
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And the plan presented by the Republicans is where?


The Republicans are irrelevant. The Republicans run nothing. They are in charge of nothing. Any plan they would present would be ignored out of hand by the democrats and the media anyway. The BarryO and the democrats own this entire fiasco, lock, stock and barrel. They get ALL the credit for the success (if there ever is any) and ALL the credit for the failure which we are seeing manifest itself at lightning speed.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 02:10 PM
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out a bunch of pointy-headed, left wing elitists would demonstrate how drastically out of touch with America they are in such a short amount of time.
Have to laugh because aside from the left-wing part this exactly describes how I picture/view you based on your posts, RBK ... pointy headed, elitist, out of touch.... funny stuff!

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 02:19 PM
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The Republicans are irrelevant.


See, it is statements like this that show your complete ignorance for, well, everything.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 02:24 PM
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The Republicans are irrelevant.


See, it is statements like this that show your complete ignorance for, well, everything.


I just wonder - if they are so irrelevant then why is he a Republican?

 

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  posted on 7/23/2009 at 02:30 PM
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The Republicans are irrelevant.
See, it is statements like this that show your complete ignorance for, well, everything.
I just wonder - if they are so irrelevant then why is he a Republican?
In his case appears to have something to do with relevancy... or lack there-of.

 

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