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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 08:52 AM
or am I am correct in my opinion that the majority of bands touring just don't measure up and give the fans their moneys worth? I find myself more and more bitching about the length of a show or the actual performance itself ( ZZ Top and Aerosmith flat out sucked Wed. night in Atlanta). What kills me is that most of the shows are pacxed full and the people rave about how the show was awesome! I used to voice my opinion but just shut up these days. It serves no purpose.

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 08:56 AM
I think you and we are all just spoiled by the Allman Brothers Band. Nobody plays long anymore Steely Dan same thing your lucky if you get 90 to 120 minutes. Heck I am spoiled to the point I only want to see the Allman Brothers at the Beacon where I know I Will get the 3 hour show I enjoy. The only thing I am dissapointed with in them is that they do not dig deeply into their catolog and play songs they have recorded but have not played in years. Especially if they are going to slow down this year they should have played High Falls, Temptation is a Gun, Get on With Your Life, Bad Rain, Win Lose Or Draw instead of the same thing we have been hearing for the past several years.

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 08:58 AM
You are not alone. What passes for awesome among the general population is poor to mediocre among the folks here. Like PB said we are spoiled.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:03 AM
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You are not alone. What passes for awesome among the general population is poor to mediocre among the folks here. Like PB said we are spoiled.
Exactly, I saw the Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks tour and was bored except for about 15 minutes of Lindsey Buckingham tearing up his guitar with old early Mac classics. We are fortunate to have the ABB!

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:05 AM
the bands that play thier ass off are still out there..you just have to look harder to find them

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:07 AM
Spoiled - In a good way.

I know exactly what you mean. There are so many posers at these big shows, it makes me want to puke!!!

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:12 AM
Lefty, I hope my post was not taken as a shot at bands grinding it out in clubs and bars. I will take Jimmy Hall, Tinsley Ellis or Tab Benoit any day over the big shed bands ( have not had the pleasure of catching your show YET!). It just kills me when bands that still have something left (Steely Dan for example) play for 1.5 hours.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:18 AM
I was an Allman snob back in the early - mid 70's ... growing
up in Macon I was caught up in the cool. I still listened to older
stuff like Beatles, Cream, RS, ... but I poo-pahed pretty much
any new music unless it was ABB / Macon related somehow.

This eventually caught up with me when the scene withered ... I
had a helluva time finding anything new I could stand to hear. I finally
started listening to Seger and the upstart T. Petty ... eventually SRV
came along.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:20 AM
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Lefty, I hope my post was not taken as a shot at bands grinding it out in clubs and bars. I will take Jimmy Hall, Tinsley Ellis or Tab Benoit any day over the big shed bands ( have not had the pleasure of catching your show YET!). It just kills me when bands that still have something left (Steely Dan for example) play for 1.5 hours.


not at all Tom....my point was that the music is out there...i think in the end it all comes down to the artist...if it is a job, then they probably want to get in and out as fast as they can...if it is a source of joy, then you get a longer set..

we ARE a little spoiled by the family of bands...

support the up and comers ( shameless plug? yep.. )

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:39 AM
I think you have to look at the show in terms of quality over quantity. I saw Steely Dan two years ago And was blown away ! I wasn't thinking , damn they only played 90 minutes. I was thinking what a great show it was. They played a set filled with hits and deep cuts. Look , a lot of the acts have members who are 60 years plus. Be thankful they are still out there playing LIVE music. When my band plays in clubs or bars even out door events , if it's just us we play a 2 hour first set take a 30 minute break and play a 45 minute to one hour second set.
I'm wiped out after that. Hey , I saw Johnny Winter last year ,he played 90 minutes I was home by 10:30 pm. I thought that was pretty cool. I saw a legend of Blues -Rock 30 minutes from my house and was home so early ! Length of the gig isn't that important if the quality is there is all I
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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:49 AM
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the bands that play thier ass off are still out there..you just have to look harder to find them


Lefty I saw Rare Earth this past Saturday in my old hometown Waukegan. They were frickin great. I had no idea they even still played!

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:51 AM
Of the old guys, I'd say you're correct, for the most part.

Obviously Clapton/Winwood put on a hell of a show.

LEVON FREAKING HELM played for about 3 hours in Philly this winter, and the band was absolutely superb. One of the best shows I've ever seen.

And, young hungry guys put on a whale of a show. Back Door Slam played for about 2.5 with no break and tore it up. I saw Jackie Greene a few weeks before the Slam, he was also full of intensity and length.

Greatest Hits acts, to me are often going through the motions. In fact, other than the ABB, I've taken them out of my concert schedule altogether.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:53 AM
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Lefty, I hope my post was not taken as a shot at bands grinding it out in clubs and bars. I will take Jimmy Hall, Tinsley Ellis or Tab Benoit any day over the big shed bands ( have not had the pleasure of catching your show YET!). It just kills me when bands that still have something left (Steely Dan for example) play for 1.5 hours.


Indeed . . . it's guys who can't rest on their laurels. I'll add Sonny Landreth to my previous post of recent awesome intense and long concerts I've seen recently.

Black Keys??? Awesome music, but they made us wait until nearly midnight to come on, and they played for MAYBE 1.5. I don't know if the short concert had to do with the fact that they came on so late -- or if the lateness was their fault. Either way, it was disapppointing.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 09:57 AM
We're spoiled. A 90 minute set used to be considered long. If I get 90 good minutes, I think I got my moneys worth. Anything more than that is gravey. But the band has to work those 90 minutes, and sound good, or than 90 minutes is 90 minutes too long.
 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 10:26 AM
The Allmans do kick @$$ but thanks to the family of bands and off springs that have sprung from the Brothers, its gave us a lot more great music. Plus Warren and Derek's influences have opened my ears to music I would had never heard of or listened too. Throw in Herring, The Col, Tinsley, Bobby Lee Rogers, Lee Boys, Ivan Neville, NMAS, HCR and a nice group of talented musicians off this site and my ears are set for life...........
 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 10:33 AM
I would have to say that I wouldnt judge a concert by length of time but by the value i receive as a connoisseur of music.

Lets take Hill Country Revue - one album release they play for 1 hour in your face yes sure you want more but its one hell of a 60 minute set.

Sure bands Like ABB, RUSH, DMB they can play for 2 1/2-3 hours shows becuase the extensive libraries.

I do agree some bands that can play for longer that dont sure im disappointed but i dont judge my concert expereince by length of a show.

 

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I would have to say that I wouldnt judge a concert by length of time but by the value i receive as a connoisseur of music.

Lets take Hill Country Revue - one album release they play for 1 hour in your face yes sure you want more but its one hell of a 60 minute set.

Sure bands Like ABB, RUSH, DMB they can play for 2 1/2-3 hours shows becuase the extensive libraries.

I do agree some bands that can play for longer that dont sure im disappointed but i dont judge my concert expereince by length of a show.


I basically agree with this.
I do have preconceived notions when I go see a band I really want to see; that is, what I expect out of them and whether my expectations were met. Obviolusy a totally subjective standard.
When I look back upon the huge number of shows I have seen over the years, I only recall several disappointing shows:
1. Aretha Franklin at Radio City. Short show, heard nothing I wanted to hear, she looked like a stuffed sausage in a too tight dress and brought her son out to do 4 "songs" of "christian rap". Felt ripped off.
2. Rolling Stones in Philadelphia. Short show, no encore with horrible sound. Saw it for free but still felt cheated.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 10:45 AM
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the bands that play thier ass off are still out there..you just have to look harder to find them


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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 10:58 AM
We're spoiled in many ways, but someone mentioned judging a show by whether it lived up to your own expectations, and that's important context.

I don't expect the Stones to bring their early '70s game to a show 35 years later, but I've seen the last few tours and enjoyed it.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 11:06 AM
I agree w/ others that the length of the show is not as important as overall quality. With the ABB family bands you generally do get both. I try to shy away from the "big names," since they are getting long in the tooth. Age can kill the intensity and length of the show. RTF, EC/Winwood, James McMurtry and Zappa Plays Zappa, all of which I saw last year, were stupendous, and none ran more than two hours I don't think.

I think I'ver become more a venue snob. Arenas and general admission shows do not often get me out. For that reason, I passed on McCartney at Piedmont and may not go to Mule at the Masquerade. I'm sure they'll both be good, but the hassle leaves me uninspired.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 11:38 AM
I have no reference for comparison. My taste in music has become so limited--spoiled, if you will--that I just don't go to see other bands. If you include Tinsley and Jimmy, and our in-house guys--well, it's intense as it gets. I really don't know what it's like with other bands.
 
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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 11:40 AM
I'm more a Quality over Quantity kind of guy. I would rather see a good, tight 90 minute show, than 2 or 2 1/2 hours of a band "noodling" around. Sometimes, shows CAN be to long. Now if the artists/band is "ON" and can fill the 2 to 2 1/2 hours without a lot of "padding", then so much the better. Also, agree with Brock about being a "venue" and in my case a "crowd" snob. Baically it all has to come together, good band, good show, with a good crowd, in a good venue. After forty plus years of seeing concerts, I've gotten a bit "choosey".
 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 12:07 PM
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I agree with lefty on this one. They are out there, for sure. I'd rather see Lefty or the Jerry Douglas Band or the Steeldrivers or Burnside Exploration or Wet Willie or The Roots or the Red Stick Ramblers or Sonny Moorman or Femi Kuti or Sarah Jarosz or Carolyn Wonderland or William Hoge or the Campbell Brothers or Tony Rice Unit or Jose Alberto "El Canario" or Mountain Heart or The Raconteurs or having some fun with Unknown Hinson and Junior Brown than worrying about Aerosmith, whom I saw back in the 70's when they still rocked.

I continue to be fascinated by the limiting oneself to listening to only 1960's and 70's bands. I just don't get it. I saw a ton of those bands, over 250 by 1976, the first time around and some were great and some sucked. Even back then I never limited myself to the rock genre, much less 30 years later.

Plus, other than way too short shows, the length of a show doesn't always portray how good the performance is. The last Beacon shows by the ABB were amazing. Then again, if I had gone to the Candaiga, NY show of 2008, from the recording I heard, I would not have been happy. Chicago of that year was smoking, on the other hand.

And, there is always the disconnect between what a segment of the fans of the ABB listen to compared to what the actual members of the ABB listen to. Warren and Derek love Dr. Ralph Stanley and Doc Watson. Can you imagine this topic being applied to them? Derek loves the music Pandit Debashish Bhattcharya. Gee, Debashish didn't play for three hours. Huh?? Deba-who?

Even in the 70's I wasn't stuck in the 70's. If you are, you get what you pay for a lot of the time. Meanwhile, what Lefty said.

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 12:20 PM
Support live music!!!!...especially the kind we play down here...
Lots of hard working bands that give all every time they tune it up.
I for one, got 'spoiled' a long time ago with all the great bands that played because they love it and play their hearts out every show.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2009 at 12:26 PM
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Ain't that the truth. I see it like we are a group of people that eat dinner out often, 4 or 5 times a week..at all types of restaurants, featuring all types of food. Then during a conversation, someone who rarely dines out is raving about their "Off the chart meal" at "Friday's" or some other chain like that.

 

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