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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 05:01 PM
In this age of remaster overkill, some of them really deserve praise, although many don't as well. I haven't gotten or listened to all the Dylan releases yet, but hearing the new "Another Side of Bob Dylan" was simply awesome. It really sounds like he is playing right there in front of ya. Haven't heard good things about John Wesley Harding though.

I wish the Gregg Allman releases & Highway Call had this much care when they re-released it a few years ago. I don't think anything was done to the original tapes at all.

Other new "remasters" include the Hendrix Berkeley gig (2nd show), which sounds VERY good over the cdrs we have. There is also a new Roy Buchanan 74 live album called American Axe. This one also sounds better than the Ebbett's Field cdrs some of us may own. Believe it or not, Buchanan's Live in Japan appears headed our way in cd format as well in a few weeks.

And finally, the cd remaster Gods must've listening to my pleas, b/c Mayall's Hard Road is finally available as a remastered import. I've only been waiting for years to hear "The Supernatural" blow up my stereo system, rather than the muddy muck that was available. Now only if they do Then Play On..... oh joy.


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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 05:47 PM
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And, can we finally figure out what Mayall is whispering at the first part of "Someday After a While"

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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 06:24 PM
You know, speaking of all this. Why can't anyone do anything the right way with the Beatles catalog? That drives me crazy. They are pretty much considered the biggest band of all time, right? But their cd's were mastered poorly when they came out in 1987 and they haven't been remastered since? And here's the sad part, I have a feeling that they just won't do it right when they finally do get around to it. There are millions of HUGE Beatles fans who want the same things and they just to give it to us. - It's funny how many different times certain albums have been remastered (Dark Side of the Moon) or how many bands, significant or otherwise, have reissued albums with unreleased bonus tracks or remixed from original tapes (the Who, the Monkees), but we're still listening to 80's mastering of Beatles albums, with terrible artwork. Everyone could make so much money. But unfortunately, I know why it's the way it is... Sadly... Sorry about the rant.
 

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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 06:37 PM
Let us know if "Blues from Laurel Canyon" gets the treatment .....

 

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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 06:50 PM
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but hearing the new "Another Side of Bob Dylan" was simply awesome.


wait a minute. this is commercial now? yet another one i guess i gotta remove from my list. studio outtakes ALWAYS seem to turn up commerical sooner or later.

 

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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 06:52 PM
of course, this probably falls into the category of "don't look a gift horse in the mouth"

 

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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 08:31 PM
You can't really consider the new Experience Hendrix release a remaster, because it has never been released before (bootleg maybe).

I do agree with you though about some sounding great and some not so good. Listen to the Chicago and Grand Funk remasters that have been coming out throughout the last year. CTA is full of clipping and distortion due to extreme level boost. Chicago 3 sounds awesome, you can even hear some analog hiss. Grand Funk's Phoenix and Born To Die sound nice and clear, while American Band and Red Album are unlistenable due to high level boost, no head room, and music running together due to loudness effect.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 08:06 AM
Carlos,

I am hoping for some outtakes or unreleased cuts from this session, although the well may be dried up. And yes, Mayall does seem to "mumble" alot there. But it does seem like Mayall's catalogue is being redone.... albeit very slowly. The Mick Taylor era may see the time of day as well. Pretty cool.

*wait a minute. this is commercial now? yet another one i guess i gotta remove from my list. studio outtakes ALWAYS seem to turn up commerical sooner or later. *

Hmm... Linnie, "Another Side of Bob Dylan" was one of his earlier albums (pre Highway 61), not a bootleg or anything. They did a similar rehaul of his albums like they did with the Stones. I don't know about them all, but this one in particular is outstanding.

PauliG, interesting regarding the Beatles' back catalog. Wasn't one of the big stinks with collectors.... the whole mono vs. stereo? I remember when Neil Young was working on the Buffalo Springfield box set, he had a real beef with the stereo mix. He was complaining that, their albums weren't meant to be heard in stereo.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 08:08 AM
*You can't really consider the new Experience Hendrix release a remaster, because it has never been released before (bootleg maybe).*

True, but this release definitely sounds better than my cdr. Glad to see that someone out there worked on it. The Berkeley dvd is out now as well.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 08:29 AM
I don't understand about "Another Side of Bob Dylan". It was his second release I believe. If you have studio outtakes from that, I'm sure they would fit the definition of tradable. I'd love to hear some of that.
 
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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 09:39 AM
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PauliG, interesting regarding the Beatles' back catalog. Wasn't one of the big stinks with collectors.... the whole mono vs. stereo? I remember when Neil Young was working on the Buffalo Springfield box set, he had a real beef with the stereo mix. He was complaining that, their albums weren't meant to be heard in stereo.


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Yes. That's a big issue with collectors because all of the Beatles albums through the Whtie Album were mixed separately for mono & stereo, and believe it or not the mono mixes were the prominent ones. Most of the mixes, even on some of the older songs are quite different. So I'm not really sure why they can't remaster both mixes and put them out. Nonetheless, if they could just remaster, SOMETHING! hee hee. And really when it comes down to it, all the albums through REVOLVER are short enough to put both the mono and stereo mixes on 1 cd each. - Maybe someday - To be honest, and I think a lot of Beatle purists would totally disagree with this, I'd love to hear everything completely remixed. Some of the Beatles stereo mixes are just awful. I pretty much only listen to the mono Rubber Soul album. - If there are any Beatles fans who haven't heard the remixed YELLOW SUBMARINE SONGTRACK from a few years back, you should check it out...

 

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 09:52 AM
I really like the remixes on the Yellow Submarine songtrack too: Think For Yourself (a Rubber Soul song - need we say more about the original mix??) came out great. Star of the show though, is Only A Northern Song - previously restricted to a sh*tty pseudo-stereo mix (anyone who's read Mark Lewisohn's Beatles sessions book will understand why a "true" stereo mix could not be done in 1968), this one just comes alive with the deconstruction/reconstruction job done on it.

I must attach one caveat, however - the remix of It's All Too Much (a real slice of SF-style acid-rock, unlike anything else in the Beatles catalogue) is terrific, EXCEPT FOR the inexplicable decision to turn down the feedback guitar to near-inaudible levels; what once filled the room with an ear-splitting howl (followed by that swelling, ominous hum) in the original mono mix, has now disappeared into the far distance...

PauliG - what are your thoughts?

 
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I really like the remixes on the Yellow Submarine songtrack too: Think For Yourself (a Rubber Soul song - need we say more about the original mix??) came out great. Star of the show though, is Only A Northern Song - previously restricted to a sh*tty pseudo-stereo mix (anyone who's read Mark Lewisohn's Beatles sessions book will understand why a "true" stereo mix could not be done in 1968), this one just comes alive with the deconstruction/reconstruction job done on it.

I must attach one caveat, however - the remix of It's All Too Much (a real slice of SF-style acid-rock, unlike anything else in the Beatles catalogue) is terrific, EXCEPT FOR the inexplicable decision to turn down the feedback guitar to near-inaudible levels; what once filled the room with an ear-splitting howl (followed by that swelling, ominous hum) in the original mono mix, has now disappeared into the far distance...

PauliG - what are your thoughts?


Paul, great great. I couldn't agree more. I'm glad there is someone else here who knows all the details on these little things! Yes, "Only a Northern Song" blew me away, finally nice to hear a stereo mix, and what a mix too! "Think For Yourself" & "Nowhere Man" both just verify my idea that they need to remix everything. - I agree about "It's All Too Much". Which is also brings me to my small complaint, I really felt like they should've released the complete version of that song. Have you heard the full 8:10 version? It's unofficially available in it's unedited mono mix in excellent quality. They should've not followed the editing done on the original mix. Likewise, although the remixing is excellent on all of the other songs, they seemed to have followed the fading of the original stereo mixes, which in some cases ("Baby, You're a Rich Man") is about 10 seconds shorter than the original mono, which wouldn't be that big of a deal, except that I really like the adlibbing you hear in that last 10 seconds! - Again this are minor point, because if they redid the whole catalog this way, I'd just be happy to get SOMETHING! Great post Paul. Thanks

 

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 12:12 PM
And now that I think about... "It's All Too Much" is a good example of an under-rated song by a big band. A tie to another thread...
 

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 02:25 PM
Tonight PauliG, we are of one mind!

I hadn't really noticed that Baby You're A Rich Man thing - must get my MMT album out & check (love that song, and some of the adlibs on Beatles stuff are the best bits of the song!)

No idea why they've sat on the long version of All Too Much - annoying, ain't it? Ah well, back to my old Beatle boots then...


 
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  posted on 11/16/2003 at 04:55 AM
The Peter Gabriel remasters sound great. I'm not too keen on switching up the order of the original tracks.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2003 at 09:38 PM
Another good remaster was the Greatful Dead Europe 72 remaster from about
a year or so ago. It's in HDCD (20bit) and sounds really good. HDCD
plays on regular CD also.

And the Dead stuff (Working Man's and American Beauty)
on DVD-audio is great also. Micky Hart produced them.

I just replaced a DVD player with one that does SACD also.
Any recomendations on SACD remasters (either stereo or mulitchannel)??

I already have the Filmore on DTS. But I understand some of the Dylan
titles on SACD are pretty good. I need to replace "Hard Rain" as I wore
that vinyl out.

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  posted on 11/16/2003 at 11:40 PM
just saw this....The Beatles Let It Be...."Let it be as it was meant to be.Brand new release featuring the band's cut from the original sessions...plus a Fly on the wall disc-a unique insight into the Beatles at work". Sounds interesting

 

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