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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 03:55 PM
OK, I have had the Tom Dowd mixed Fillmore Concerts for a while... I recently replaced the original Fillmore (from vinyl, which honestly I hadn't played in years) with the single CD as I wanted the pure original too. Listening to the "Concerts" vs the original there are more differences than I realized..... different versions, like Trouble No More, Stormy Monday a minute and a half longer, etc...... so the general impression of the Fillmore Concerts being the original plus additional stuff is far from the way it is..... Now we are getting a "new" one, which is cool by me, I like Midnight Rider being added.

BUT! Anyone know what mixes or versions are being used? Will we have yet another variation on the original? I am glad I got the original.... it is what my mind remembers of playing way back when, but the new and different versions is cool also.... just has my pea brain confused.

Anyone have more lowdown on any of this, Tom Dowds version also? The book is pretty vague on some specifics, like which are new (as in different) versions. Am I being too hard-core here??

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 03:58 PM
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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 04:05 PM
All of the songs on the new Fillmore release are currently available either on Dowd's remix or Duane's Anthology 1 or 2 I forget right now....the only difference (that I can see) of the new Fillmore vs. Tom Dowd's remixed version is the addition of Midnight Rider and the switching of a few songs around to be more like a regular ABB set at the Fillmore....

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 04:15 PM
I'm more interested in the mixes. I have "The Fillmore Concerts" and can't stand the mix (well, at least compared to "AFE"). Can't hear B.O. as well, the fade-ins and fade-outs. What I want to know is if this new "Deluxe Edition" of "AFE" has B.O. back up in the mix like the original, and whether it's the same versions of the songs as was on the original "AFE". I don't want to go out and buy it just to find out that it's the same damn thing as "The Fillmore Concerts" with just a 3:20 version of Midnight Rider added.

By the way, of all the re-issues and re-masters of "AFE" under Polydor, Polygram, Capricorn and Mercury......has a consensus been reached as to the "definitive" CD-version of "AFE"?

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 04:30 PM
You guys have read my mind...cause I have the same questions as the rest of you.

Yes, I agree the mix is VERY important to me as well...I NEED to hear Berry if its gonna be worth buying! The Fillmore Concerts have no botton end at all, even the drums sound a little puny to me. ...and I doubt if these songs will be different versions than the ones already released on F.E. and Fillmore concerts. If that was the case I'm sure it would be advertised that way.

I mean we certainly don't need The Brothers turning into The Beatles or Hendrix where they keep
re-releasing, re-mixing, re-packaging similar material.

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 04:31 PM
In the same vein as the "AFE" issue, what is the deal with all the re-issues? I know the ABB doesn't see any of the money, so I'm all for just getting the best versions and being done with it. Has that been settled yet? I need to go pick up Brothers and Sisters and Eat A Peach on CD, as well as AFE, so it would be nice to know what versions I should be searching out. Borders and Barnes & Noble both seem to carry the '97 Polydor re-issues, but I thought Capricorn slapped their name on a re-issue a couple years back. Anyone remember which is which? Which versions sound best?

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 05:13 PM
If I have half of my allotted space for storing music taken up by AFE alone, and I need to read a history book to see which one has this :15 ending taken off or this :02 added and this fan screaming this or that fan screaming that, well, I may just say 'I am the owner of a cd of live ABB recorded at the Fillmore'. And leave it at that. In fact, I do think that day has arrived . It's the greatest live album, I think. I just don't need 78 versions of it.
 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 05:18 PM
Zambi, for my money, the Capricorn "re-issue" sounds the best of the AFE .....

I play that way more than "Filmore Concerts" .....

just don't like the idea of different performances, spliced together ..... my .02 ...

 

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  posted on 9/23/2003 at 02:09 AM
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In the same vein as the "AFE" issue, what is the deal with all the re-issues? I know the ABB doesn't see any of the money, so I'm all for just getting the best versions and being done with it. Has that been settled yet? I need to go pick up Brothers and Sisters and Eat A Peach on CD, as well as AFE, so it would be nice to know what versions I should be searching out. Borders and Barnes & Noble both seem to carry the '97 Polydor re-issues, but I thought Capricorn slapped their name on a re-issue a couple years back. Anyone remember which is which? Which versions sound best?


I add more to the confusion... I donīt really know how B&S sounds as the latest re-mastered re-issue, but IMO AFE & Eat A Peach are disappoitments as Capricorn Classics re-issues. Their sound is too mid-rangey which makes them sound a little bit choked and dynamics are poor. Dennis M. Drake, who remastered Dreams box set did a very good job on Polydor remasters at the end of the 1980s and f. ex. ABBs first album sounds better as Polydor release than latest Capricorn issue. Wait until the new 2 cd set of At Fillmore East comes out and get that. I have high expectations for it, maybe too high...

 

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  posted on 9/23/2003 at 02:41 AM
I think Zambi & EddieP hit the nail on the the head - to my ears, and with the very greatest respect to the late Tom Dowd, Fillmore Concerts is NOT the best-sounding live album. Whilst good things were done with some parts of the mix (such as Gregg's vocals, the cymbals and a general "live vibe" - the record has fantastic presence), this appeared to have been done at the expense of the bottom-range of the frequency spectrum - BO does appear to be mostly M.I.A., and there is very little bottom-end to the drums.

I suspect this is mostly a fashion thing - record production seems to go through trend cycles, much like everything else, and the fact seems to be that, with the availability of really top-end high frequency detail in the late 80's/early 90's, the production team went for it in a big way (many records I have & have heard from this period exhibit this problem).

My hope is that the new version honours the sound-stage that Dowd et al created for the Fillmore Concerts version (as I say, the ambience is amazing), whilst going for a more true & balanced frequency mix. It wouldn't hurt if they put back in the chat we know & love from the original AFE, either!!

 
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  posted on 9/23/2003 at 09:50 AM
The Fillmore East Deluxe Edition will indeed use the original mixes, as confirmed in an article in ICE Magazine.

By adding "Midnight Rider," they've found a way to induce suckers like me who've bought it four times already (MoFi, remaster, Fillmore Concerts and DTS surround disc) to buy it again.

Do I have to re-buy it? No, but "Rider" is one of my favorite songs, so...


 

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  posted on 9/23/2003 at 09:54 AM
It's looking like this delux edition is going to be a "must buy"

and I was actually going to hold off on buying it....

 

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  posted on 9/23/2003 at 10:11 AM
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The Fillmore East Deluxe Edition will indeed use the original mixes, as confirmed in an article in ICE Magazine.


Are we saying that these are the 1971 mixes then, as opposed to the "improved" 1992 mix? I guess that's so much for progress, then...

 
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  posted on 9/23/2003 at 10:26 AM
ACK, you just made my day, thanks! I feel pretty good about buying it then, kind of the best of all if done right.... the ears will tell..... this all is interesting.... I have heard things on Fillmore Concerts like everyone has said.... a greater depth to the sound and some of the drum stuff is crisper.... but my ear likes the original best of the two... maybe this new one will give us a real treat in one package and be the be all and end all of Fillmore releases... NAH!

Press Release 01/17/2005 (AP)
Found A Dollar Productions announces the triumphant release of the Allman Brothers new Super Expanded Titanium Premium Deluxe Master Mixed On A Full Moon Series edition of the Live At The Fillmore Series, tentatively titled "The Be All End All Of Fillmore Remixes, with bonus material".

The great new bonus material, to add to the "being there" experience are many:
The Official Red Dog and Crew Setting up, Cussing, and Hitting on Chicks Sessions (44:07).
The Official Fillmore Tuning Sessions (21:11)
The Official Fillmore Sound Test Sessions (18:09)
The Official Fillmore Bill Graham Rant Sessions, 3 from every night (33:04)
The Official newly discovered Barking Dog Interviews, and new 28 second audio of the mutt really going at it (31:28)

Butch Trucks states that he loves the new mix, as all the other mixes tended to totally have the drums drowned out. "This baby is thunderous" he says. "I always liked the mix on the Fleetwood Mac song Tusk, so we aimed for that".

Marc Quinones is a happy man also. He thinks the percussion overdubs (recorded last year) are the one thing the original Fillmore was lacking in. "It truly is perfecto now!".

Jaimoe had an unusual contribution. He had a graphic artist modify the CD cover to picture him in the attire he wishes he wore that day. It really is a much better cover now with Jaimoe in those red and white striped baggy shorts and the blue shoes.

Gregg Allman also says that replacing the "Bad Guitar" from the original with the Warren Haynes recent overdubbed guitar parts makes this the "best album we've done since Eat A Peach"!

So look forward to this one in stores!

 

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  posted on 9/23/2003 at 11:35 AM
Great post Bird 72 !!!
We share the same sence of humor.


Although i've heard that there are already plans for yet another
definite ("the Mother of all Live At Fillmore East" re-issues) in 2006.
A 5 cd set with the legendary Holy Grail of ABB concerts: the 06/26/'71 show added on the cd's 3,4, and 5.
Unfortunally the plans to release the legendary closing jam on cd 6 were aborted.
Has the upcoming 40th anniversary in 2009 got something to do with that?

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  posted on 9/23/2003 at 12:27 PM
I just listened to the Deluxe version. It's just remasters of the original mixes. The remastering is excellent, they sound better than the last remaster. I also like the order of the songs better than any other version. (except I don't like where "Midnight Rider" is) But I think I still prefer the FILLMORE CONCERTS cd. #1) The mix is broader and more even, #2) I like how it is presented in a concert form, no gaps between songs. For some reason, that really bothers me. That's my only complaint about AN EVENING WITH THE ABB & the 2ND SET albums. - Anyway, with the original mix of the FILLMORE album, I think people prefer it because that's the way they first heard it. The drums sound clearer to me on FILLMORE CONCERTS and the guitars seem more balanced, Dickey sounded louder than Duane on the original, at parts. Also, to me, there is some more depth to the FILLMORE CONCERTS, however that mix needs some remastering now! hee hee. Maybe they should just remaster EVERY cd every 5 years! (like I have the money to keep rebuying this stuff!)
 

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  posted on 9/23/2003 at 04:39 PM
Tony, that is a peachie for next years awards ..... I spit iced tea all over my computer screen .....

"goin for that Tusk sound .... too damn funny ...

 

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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 04:48 PM
I listened to the Deluxe Edition today, & my opinion differs from Paulie G's in regards to the Fillmore Concerts. The first so called difference I noticed was in Thom Doucette. His harmonica really "breathes" on this mix. It was kinda like hearing Butterfield's remastered albums, & the difference was really noticeable.

I really like how Berry sounds on this edition, as well as Duane. He isn't as overwhelming perhaps as in past editions, but I can now CLEARLY hear what he was doing, & his playing seems to have more "life" in it. I like the TONE of all three guitars on this one. I don't know who or what did the mixing for this project, but I really dig it. And this is coming from a skeptical consumer who has bought one too many Fillmore East albums.

The problem I had with the Fillmore Concerts was in, everything I thought they did "right", they did just as much "wrong". I don't get the impression like that from this release. It actually sounds pretty damn good to be honest with ya. The packaging is top notch, with some photos I have never seen before. It may be overkill for MANY of us, but I'd recommend it.

 

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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 06:37 PM
Finsky, Good points. I agree with "as much that they did right, they did wrong on Fillmore Concerts" statement as well. And it's very true. - I did notice on a second listen to the new remaster, that I was hearing things I have not noticed before, always a good sign. But then again, as I elluded to before, I think a remastering of the Fillmore Concerts could have that effect to. I still feel some of the balance is off in this remaster, which by the way, are the original mixes remastered. I guess in reality, a new mix would be best. And for those consumers who care, the Deluxe is the best one to get, because you get more music as well as the most recent remastering. - I should also note, to anyone else reading, I think I'm probably in the minority on regards to liking FILLMORE CONCERTS best anyway.
 

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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 07:16 PM
Are the versions of the songs the same as original Fillmore album and Eat A Peach? saying they are from the original masters still could mean song version substitutions. Fillmore Concerts has a different Trouble No More, I believe, than the original... I have a problem with substituting versions..... Do different nights version of the song as a bonus or alternate track at the end..... but leave the original as it appeared in 71/72....

 

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  posted on 9/24/2003 at 08:57 PM
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Don't forget Mobile Fidelity Soundlabs is releasing it on half speed mastered 180 gram
vinyl in November.

I have it ordered.

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 02:17 AM
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ACK, you just made my day, thanks! I feel pretty good about buying it then, kind of the best of all if done right.... the ears will tell..... this all is interesting.... I have heard things on Fillmore Concerts like everyone has said.... a greater depth to the sound and some of the drum stuff is crisper.... but my ear likes the original best of the two... maybe this new one will give us a real treat in one package and be the be all and end all of Fillmore releases... NAH!

Press Release 01/17/2005 (AP)
Found A Dollar Productions announces the triumphant release of the Allman Brothers new Super Expanded Titanium Premium Deluxe Master Mixed On A Full Moon Series edition of the Live At The Fillmore Series, tentatively titled "The Be All End All Of Fillmore Remixes, with bonus material".

The great new bonus material, to add to the "being there" experience are many:
The Official Red Dog and Crew Setting up, Cussing, and Hitting on Chicks Sessions (44:07).
The Official Fillmore Tuning Sessions (21:11)
The Official Fillmore Sound Test Sessions (18:09)
The Official Fillmore Bill Graham Rant Sessions, 3 from every night (33:04)
The Official newly discovered Barking Dog Interviews, and new 28 second audio of the mutt really going at it (31:28)

Butch Trucks states that he loves the new mix, as all the other mixes tended to totally have the drums drowned out. "This baby is thunderous" he says. "I always liked the mix on the Fleetwood Mac song Tusk, so we aimed for that".

Marc Quinones is a happy man also. He thinks the percussion overdubs (recorded last year) are the one thing the original Fillmore was lacking in. "It truly is perfecto now!".

Jaimoe had an unusual contribution. He had a graphic artist modify the CD cover to picture him in the attire he wishes he wore that day. It really is a much better cover now with Jaimoe in those red and white striped baggy shorts and the blue shoes.

Gregg Allman also says that replacing the "Bad Guitar" from the original with the Warren Haynes recent overdubbed guitar parts makes this the "best album we've done since Eat A Peach"!

So look forward to this one in stores!


Great one! ILMAO!

 

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 07:58 AM
*And for those consumers who care, the Deluxe is the best one to get, because you get more music as well as the most recent remastering. *

PauliG, I agree with ya, & definitely would recommend this as the first purchase in the FE "series". I like the flow of the songs, except for OWO & Midnight Rider. I personally LOVE the way Duane's slide sounds on this edition. It slashes, howls, & purrs. I definitely heard some things I wasn't aware of before. Seems like all the songs are versions from the FE & EAP albums.....

It is cool that Statesboro goes right into TNM, just like they used to do it. And obviously, there is something really cool about the WP>Mountain Jam....

I think it coincides nicely with Duane's #2 ranking in the RS, for what it's worth.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 09:00 AM
Thanks for the run-down on the new FE...looks like I will go pick up a copy of this version. This is in the stores now right?

I'm about to need a second mortgage with all the releases that have been coming out

 

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  posted on 9/25/2003 at 09:15 AM
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Yes It is in stores. Tower had 5 or so copies when I picked up the Beacon DVD.

I'm waiting to see what is on the vinyl edition before I get the Deluxe CD.

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