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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 07:10 AM
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End of an era: Kodak retiring Kodachrome film
by The Associated Press
Monday June 22, 2009, 7:10 AM
The Associated PressKodak announced Monday that it is retiring its most senior film -- Kodachrome -- because of declining customer demand in an increasingly digital age.
ROCHESTER, N.Y. -- Eastman Kodak Co. is retiring its most senior film, the iconic Kodachrome, because of declining demand in this digital age.

Kodachrome was introduced in 1935 and became the world's first commercially successful color film. It had its heyday in the 1950s and '60s and Paul Simon immortalized it in song when he crooned "Mama don't take my Kodachrome away" in 1973.

But sales of the unique film are now just a fraction of 1 percent of Kodak's still-picture film sales, and only Dwayne's Photo in Parsons, Kan., still processes it.

Kodak says the decision to discontinue Kodachrome was difficult but necessary. The company says it plans to stay in the film business as long as it can and has introduced several new films in the last few years.



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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 09:20 AM
Just as purists prefer turntables to CD players, most serious photographers are dedicated to real cameras with real film. We also see another example of how new technology does not necessarily result in a better product.

As a long time photography snob, I have a rant that digital photography allows ANYBODY to take fine looking photographs ... at a much lower resolution!

I've got a Canon pocket camera (okay, it actually belongs to Donna - but since she's commandeered my I-Pod and my new car ...) that you can just point and shoot and get Rembrandt-like results. While this sounds good, it just takes the art out of photography.

I guess no chemicals means a safer environment ... that's good, I suppose. But I guess the Ansel Adamses, the Annie Liebovitzes (sp?) and even the Kirk Wests are now dying breeds.

I used to be sent out to shoot for my company's magazine. Nowadays, they just hand a robot camera to anybody attending an event and work with what they get from them.

I guess Ektachrome is still out there, and the color print film is a lot better than it was in years past. From here on out, I guess photography will be on auto-pilot.

Bye-bye Kodachrome!

 

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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 09:29 AM
Shot film for many years.... Impossible to beat the quality especially at medium format, no doubt.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 09:29 AM
Looks like Paul Simon will have to retire that song now, too.
 

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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 09:46 AM
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Looks like Paul Simon will have to retire that song now, too.


Well actually the song is more relevant than ever! Well at least the lyric "Mama don't take my Kodachrome away"

 

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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 10:52 AM
That Kodachrome 64 had the best color. I shot many rolls of that stuff over the years. Reminds me to get the slide projector out.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 11:44 AM
Wow
it does drive the point home doesn't it -- of...progress etc -- hopefully places like Rite Aid/Wal-Mart/brand x stores will still do film reprints

 

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The only film camera I have left is my Mamiya 645.

I haven't used it in several years.

The biggest plus for me with digital is that I can retouch a senior portrait myself and do a better job than when I sent film negs. to the pro lab and paid for the service.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 11:56 AM
When I think back
On all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of education
Hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall

Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away

If you took all the girls I knew
When I was single
And brought them all together for one night
I know they'd never match
my sweet imagination
Everything looks worse in black and white

Kodachrome

 

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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 12:00 PM
Most of the best landscape shots and critical detail stuff is still done on film. Good as digital has become, film is still better in many ways, and will be for some time to come.

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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 12:01 PM
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Looks like Paul Simon will have to retire that song now, too.


Well actually the song is more relevant than ever! Well at least the lyric "Mama don't take my Kodachrome away"
1st thing I thought about when reading the article.

 

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Just as purists prefer turntables to CD players, most serious photographers are dedicated to real cameras with real film. We also see another example of how new technology does not necessarily result in a better product.

As a long time photography snob, I have a rant that digital photography allows ANYBODY to take fine looking photographs ... at a much lower resolution!

I've got a Canon pocket camera (okay, it actually belongs to Donna - but since she's commandeered my I-Pod and my new car ...) that you can just point and shoot and get Rembrandt-like results. While this sounds good, it just takes the art out of photography.

I guess no chemicals means a safer environment ... that's good, I suppose. But I guess the Ansel Adamses, the Annie Liebovitzes (sp?) and even the Kirk Wests are now dying breeds.

I used to be sent out to shoot for my company's magazine. Nowadays, they just hand a robot camera to anybody attending an event and work with what they get from them.

I guess Ektachrome is still out there, and the color print film is a lot better than it was in years past. From here on out, I guess photography will be on auto-pilot.

Bye-bye Kodachrome!


I kind of disagree with this on sevearl stand-points... But one thing to note is that SLRs were nothing more than little computers themselves though the image was still being processed on film. I have no doubt that those film cameras would now be as high-tech and dummy proof as you would like to suggest as digital cameras are now today if digital imaging was non-existant.

Meaning film or no film, I think the technology would be where it is at no matter what and it would just be photography atutopilot on film.

I do all photography in manual mode.... There is no exception. I understand the benifits of Av, Tv, Auto ISO and all that stuff but the camera does not what I want..... I know what I want and I know how to get it, the camera is not smarter than your own eyes and imagination.

 

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  posted on 6/22/2009 at 12:31 PM
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Just as purists prefer turntables to CD players, most serious photographers are dedicated to real cameras with real film. We also see another example of how new technology does not necessarily result in a better product.


right on .. i follow ya so far

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As a long time photography snob, I have a rant that digital photography allows ANYBODY to take fine looking photographs ... at a much lower resolution!


key word: .. fine looking photos

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...that you can just point and shoot and get Rembrandt-like results. While this sounds good, it just takes the art out of photography.


I have to respectfully and amicably (that's my intention) disagree (and this may be more of a semantic argument, but anyhow..) - It cannot take the art out of photography. It enables another hobby that parallels "serious photography". 'Art-photography' is alive and well, IMO.

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I guess no chemicals means a safer environment ... that's good, I suppose. But I guess the Ansel Adamses, the Annie Liebovitzes (sp?) and even the Kirk Wests are now dying breeds.


.. now Kirk may appear old ... j/k ... "Dying breeds" ?? Nah ... No way man, or else i'm not getting your point. I'm almost offended, lol! (and i'm not a photographer, but I am an artist)

Again, their craft is not affected by the photography of folks with their $149 digital cameras ... (o.k., that could be argued, but i mean specifically the Art Photography market-integrity) They may sell fewer photographs, but they nor their craft are "dying".

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Bye-bye Kodachrome!


i hear ya ... How about the Insta-Matic stuff?? Is that available anymore? .. well heck, now i thought i had a 600 (i think) kicking around here -- but can't locate it atm... :|

 

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I do all photography in manual mode.... There is no exception. I understand the benifits of Av, Tv, Auto ISO and all that stuff but the camera does not what I want..... I know what I want and I know how to get it, the camera is not smarter than your own eyes and imagination.


excellent point! I didn't see your post when composing mine - I think you reinforce the argument about the Camera being a tool of the artist .... or, the tool of a hobbyist, etc. ...

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As a long time photography snob, I have a rant that digital photography allows ANYBODY to take fine looking photographs ...


Understandable...it just becomes another lost art.

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The only film camera I have left is my Mamiya 645.

I haven't used it in several years.

The biggest plus for me with digital is that I can retouch a senior portrait myself and do a better job than when I sent film negs. to the pro lab and paid for the service.




I still have my two Nikons, one which sat at the bottom of a submerged canoe once while canoeing. That still makes me sick to my stomach. The other still works fine. I too still have my Mamiya C330 Twin Lens. I love that camera. I used that mostly at photography school.

 

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I have experienced a similar transition in the printing business, which used to be called "graphic arts". When cameras started getting automated (but still using film) you could take train a dummy to do decent work, as long as the original fell into a narrow range of quality. But if the original needed fixing, you could forget about it- the operators did not understand the process and could not fix it.

So now, with everything digital, the "graphic arts" process is accessible to a much wider audience- I can do things for my company literature on my PC that previously would have could me a mint. But the price for that expansion is a dumbing down of the process- anyone can do mediocre work, but few can do the best.

 

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Still have my old Canon AE -1

Haven't shot film in years.

Bought a Canon Rebel several months ago..Love it although I don't like carrying it around to shows (too expensive to get lost)...

Bought a Canon Sure Shot for the road trips and it works good....

But for anyone taking pics...an SLR is the best camera...

 

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As a long time photography snob, I have a rant that digital photography allows ANYBODY to take fine looking photographs ... at a much lower resolution!




How I disagree with this. If you don't have an eye to frame up the shot, lighting, angle etc you will still have a crappy photo.

 

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As a long time photography snob, I have a rant that digital photography allows ANYBODY to take fine looking photographs ... at a much lower resolution!




How I disagree with this. If you don't have an eye to frame up the shot, lighting, angle etc you will still have a crappy photo.
I'm with Bill - a camera ... be it digital or otherwise ... does not have the ability to observe, recognize possibilities, and create art. That would always be the eye behind the camera and that is where the talent in photography lies.

 

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The only film camera I have left is my Mamiya 645.

I haven't used it in several years.

The biggest plus for me with digital is that I can retouch a senior portrait myself and do a better job than when I sent film negs. to the pro lab and paid for the service.




I still have my two Nikons, one which sat at the bottom of a submerged canoe once while canoeing. That still makes me sick to my stomach. The other still works fine. I too still have my Mamiya C330 Twin Lens. I love that camera. I used that mostly at photography school.


I donated my two Nikon film cameras to my local high school art department.

They still have a "wet" darkroom and teach B&W film developing.

Being on a well, I can't even do that.

 

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I'm glad this is all happening since it has made Ron sad.


Bwaaaaaaah.


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  posted on 6/23/2009 at 02:33 PM
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Just as purists prefer turntables to CD players, most serious photographers are dedicated to real cameras with real film. We also see another example of how new technology does not necessarily result in a better product.


right on .. i follow ya so far

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As a long time photography snob, I have a rant that digital photography allows ANYBODY to take fine looking photographs ... at a much lower resolution!


key word: .. fine looking photos

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...that you can just point and shoot and get Rembrandt-like results. While this sounds good, it just takes the art out of photography.


I have to respectfully and amicably (that's my intention) disagree (and this may be more of a semantic argument, but anyhow..) - It cannot take the art out of photography. It enables another hobby that parallels "serious photography". 'Art-photography' is alive and well, IMO.

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I guess no chemicals means a safer environment ... that's good, I suppose. But I guess the Ansel Adamses, the Annie Liebovitzes (sp?) and even the Kirk Wests are now dying breeds.


.. now Kirk may appear old ... j/k ... "Dying breeds" ?? Nah ... No way man, or else i'm not getting your point. I'm almost offended, lol! (and i'm not a photographer, but I am an artist)

Again, their craft is not affected by the photography of folks with their $149 digital cameras ... (o.k., that could be argued, but i mean specifically the Art Photography market-integrity) They may sell fewer photographs, but they nor their craft are "dying".

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Bye-bye Kodachrome!


i hear ya ... How about the Insta-Matic stuff?? Is that available anymore? .. well heck, now i thought i had a 600 (i think) kicking around here -- but can't locate it atm... :|


I agree, it's like saying that the drum machines that started coming into the fold in 70's took the art out of drumming... Not at all, new great drummers are born everyday even now in 2009. It just means to the person making a demo in their home, they have something keeping a beat.

The art of photography will never truly die. It may get overshadowed my less artistic photography at times... but unfortunately isn't that the way of all art forms... always?

 
 


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