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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 09:43 AM
hey guys, there's a poll on the home page about this. i'm wonderin' what's up? can someone tell me what's going on with this, or give me a link that i can find out about it? are they live recordings of the show you attended, is it from the board, are they tradable, untradeable, and what's the general vibe from us traders about them.

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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 10:47 AM
Not tradeable, but that doesn't mean they aren't traded.

Still have a few let to sell, then they will be open game.

Only 3 ABB shows were taped for the instat live

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Instant Live just completed a three show tour with The Allman Brothers. On August 3, The Allman Brothers were in Hartford, CT, on August 9, in Charlotte, NC, and on August 10, in Raleigh, NC. Fans had the opportunity to pick up limited edition copies of each concert as soon as the show ended.


http://www.instantliveconcerts.com/

 

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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 05:49 PM
Is Layla on the Instant Live CD's?
I heard that for the Instant Live CD's that the dead put out this summer
all of the Bob Dylan cover songs weren't included on the CD's.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 05:55 PM
Layla is on the Instant Live Charlotte show.

Dylan wouldn't allow any of the performances that he participated in to be released. Dylan songs that the Dead performed without Dylan actually appearing on were ok'ed.

[Edited on 9/21/2003 by billpaff]

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 07:14 AM
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Layla is on the Instant Live Charlotte show.

Dylan wouldn't allow any of the performances that he participated in to be released. Dylan songs that the Dead performed without Dylan actually appearing on were ok'ed.

[Edited on 9/21/2003 by billpaff]

Why is Dylan so weird about taping his shows or even being recorded with the dead?

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 07:33 AM
I wonder that too - but it's amazing how good some Dylan shows can sound, even when recorded with mics hidden in a hat!
Makes for interesting source data (unknown mics hidden in Fedora>DAT>CDR, location - moving around to escape detection and to get away from crowd noise)

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 07:50 AM
I'm surprised the ABB isn't doing any more Instant Live CDs on the west coast swing. All the CDs were sold at the 3 shows they were offered. I went to Hartford and got the discs, they sound awesome, better than the Dead series, of which I have 8. Instant Live told me in an email that they are not selling any past shows online, but that the ABB could sell them, and to check with them. So far, I have seen nothing on this on this site. 7/13 Mansfield, Mass. was recorded as a test but no CDs were made, according to the Boston Globe. Other tests were done with regional bands in Boston clubs, I think funksters Bombsquad was one. So far, you could only buy these at the show. If the ABB do not offer these for sale, should we be able to trade them? If there is no way to get these shows, what is the harm in trading (NOT selling) these shows?

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 07:52 AM
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Layla is on the Instant Live Charlotte show.


Hmmm, I guess this casts some doubt of the speculation that it was licensing issues that kept it off the Beacon DVD/CD. Unless of course it has to do with how the recording is marketed/sold (at venue only vs. mass marketed). I wonder if this is why the "extras" have not shown up for sale through Kid Glove (or anyplace else) yet?

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 08:08 AM
The only artist not on the Dead CDs is Dylan. Dylan dislikes tapers, but he can't stop them. He is one of the most often bootlegged. I can get tons of Dylan shows, and I have all the shows I have attended, mostly through trades. He was dumb in not allowing his songs on the Dead discs, though. The four Winwood shows came off great, and the CDs make Winwood sound better than the sound was live. Also Willie Nelson is on 4-6 songs from the 2 shows he did in Jersey. The Dead should have told Dylan that if he wasn't on the CD not to bother coming out to play with them. The Dead should have put the Robert Hunter set on the CD to fill out the time, the people who pre-ordered the Dead shows with Dylan got robbed and did not get their money's worth, IMHO.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 10:16 AM
Sorry Bob,

Have to take issue with your comments above. THE DEAD invited DYLAN to come and and play for the audience that PAID to see them perform. Not to be part of a on-going recording experiment. I am 100% sure that anyone who likes DYLAN and was at the DEAD shows that he play; had a huge rush having him come out and jam a bunch of songs.

He chose not to be part of the official recordings. 100% his right. The other Artists that participated saw things differently, thus they are on the official recordings.

PS: Have to chime in my $ 0.02 about the Instant Live CDs:

The tour is now over.
Why can't I buy a copy of any of the shows?
If they do not become available for sale - Poorest business decision in the past long while (My $0.02)

[Edited on 9/22/2003 by Billy_Kain]

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 11:06 AM
My 2 cents on Layla not being on the DVD. Flame me if you must but I doubt Clapton had any problem with it at all. I think that the Brothers tore Layla up on 3/21/ & 3/29 and the version played the night they were taping (3/26?) just didn't make the cut. I am not saying it is a bad version just not as good. My hats off to them if they chose not to include it because they knew they could and had done better. The instant live you get the whole show and you don't get to go back and pick & choose what to leave in or what to leave out unless of course there are copyright issues.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 11:08 AM
Billy, I agree with you on the Instant Live discs, but remember the ABB has missed the boat on their bootleg series, which is finally starting to take off! It took the Dead to release the first one from their vault or this ABB concert series might never have happened. I see your point about Dylan, but if you were more involved with this Dead tour the problem was the way Dylan refused, at the very last minute. You can believe Dead tapers did some stealth taping and not only can you get the Dylan tunes with the Dead, you can also get his opening set, too. It's not like Dylan is putting out any recent live material. Putting out England 1965,Rolling Thunder 1975 and Carnegie Hall 1964 is nice, but it is 2003.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 11:26 AM
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My 2 cents on Layla not being on the DVD. Flame me if you must but I doubt Clapton had any problem with it at all. I think that the Brothers tore Layla up on 3/21/ & 3/29 and the version played the night they were taping (3/26?) just didn't make the cut. I am not saying it is a bad version just not as good. My hats off to them if they chose not to include it because they knew they could and had done better. The instant live you get the whole show and you don't get to go back and pick & choose what to leave in or what to leave out unless of course there are copyright issues.



I'm guessing this is the reason for it not being on the dvd....'course, unless it was a real train wreck (which I don't think it was), they could probably have fixed some of the mistakes in the mixing for the dvd....or would that not be possible?

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 11:36 AM
It all boils down to the Almighty dollar-- Record companies own an artist- if the don't allow it as a courtesy, as did steve winwood's label-- then it is omitted. More about the artist and current contracts than about actual songs and royalties. Not sure who owns Layla, or why it wasn't on the dvd

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 11:43 AM
Steve Winwood started his own label, as have a growing list of artists. That is the way to go!
The bottom line is the people who bought Dead CDs didn't know that Dylan wouldn't be on them and they were ripped off, no matter whose fault it is. As far as Layla, the ABB didn't put it out because they didn't want to, not because they would have to pay Clapton, IMO.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 01:46 PM
Someone who was at the 25th or the 26th gig should chime in on how the song came out perfromance wise ?

Again, it is NOT about paying Eric Clapton; you have to pay the holder of the copyright to the composition (NOT THE WRITERS)....

I believe that Layla is published by Polygram Publishing/Universal Music Group....To sell a song on a DVD/CD you must have the publisher's permission (not the Artist). 100% sure that EC does not own the publishing to Layla (UMG does).....

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  posted on 9/22/2003 at 06:43 PM
Very true. A royalty was not likely the problem. I posted this idea elsehwere, but I'm sure that the band didn't want it on there, either because they didn't like the performance or some other unknown reason. They likely didn't do much, if any, fix-ups for the DVD. Although it is extremely common to do that, the ABB probably didn't see the need to do it, after that would mean more time in the studio. Not to mention, they are such an incredible live band, they have their material down. So much of it is improvisation, that you rely on what you play to make the performance. Fixing it up defeats the purpose. Plus if you've heard the audience recordings for the two shows, there's little need for it. If there is ANYTHING, it would probably be just as easy to fix it in the mixing process via editing or simply mixing out the mistake. I guess if there was a really hot song musically and Gregg or Warren were unhappy with their vocal, they may fix that. It's cheap quick and easy...
 

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  posted on 10/7/2003 at 03:51 PM
ok, i found this old thread and dug it up.

yurtle says that the clear channel shows are untradeable. my question is:

if i can't buy it, why can't i trade for it? i went to the discography on the ABB website and these shows aren't listed there, so i'm questioning if it is an "official release".

i went to the instant live website and i cannot buy the shows there either. and you guys say the august 03 shows are the **** .

are there any extras of these for sale?

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  posted on 10/7/2003 at 07:31 PM

Look for an exciting announcement about the Instant Live CDs very soon!

 

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  posted on 10/7/2003 at 09:02 PM
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What a week for getting music in the mail. The ABB DVD, Mule's Deepest, today Atlanta Pop... I'd OD if the clear channel discs were available!

I sure could have used them a month or so ago. I wish I could buy ABB shows and download them the next night like Phish offers.

The sooner the music is available the more connected to the scene I feel.

 

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  posted on 10/8/2003 at 07:50 AM
Wanna hear something funny......I got my Atlanta Pop Fest poster 3 days ago, but no CD yet. The poster is cool, too bad I don't have any music to listen to when I'm looking at it!
I hope the ABB get their act together and offer the Instant Live for sale and start putting out live shows every 3-4 months like the Dead series. I wonder why they didn't do any Instant Live on the West Coast leg of the tour?

 

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  posted on 10/8/2003 at 07:57 AM
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I wonder why they didn't do any Instant Live on the West Coast leg of the tour?


Instant Live is a Clear Channel thing so they only do it in the venues they own (not sure if they own any of the West Coast venues that ABB played or not).

 

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  posted on 10/8/2003 at 08:14 AM
Clear Channel runs most of the venues. They run the Greek in Berkeley, Shoreline, I'm sure some of the venues ABB played. If the Instant Live is such a success (according to the press and their own PR), I don't understand it.

 

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  posted on 10/8/2003 at 09:47 AM
Is it really a success so far? I haven't seen any numbers, but I would presume they have been made available. It may be early in the game for this process, and they may be choosing to take baby steps with it so as not to oversaturate it at first...
 
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