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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 12:18 PM
I was in Office Max this morning and all the Fuji CDr's on spindles were "made in Taiwan"
 
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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 12:52 PM
You are correct sir...Fujis, for now, are actually being made by CMC Magnetics versus TY.

There's another thread on this topic down a few pages...

You can buy TYs on the internet, about $36/100 blanks, plus postage...

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 12:56 PM
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Ive still got about 150 Japanese Fuji's left from the Rite Aid sale.
I'll go the TY route when the time comes.

Question Ive seen "unbranded" TY's on the Internet for .36. Is the unbranded thing a problem??

How about Mitsui?? Are they just re marketed TY's


 
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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 01:12 PM
Another "expert" will have to answer the unbranded TY question - I hate to even post an opinion that might steer folks in the wrong direction.

Mitsui and TY are different things...

Also...I recently encountered a taper/trader that strongly hints that he REALLY prefers Diamond's "silver on silver" - they are unbranded, and the cost is about the same as those unbranded TYs...

...and now for my disclaimer for whenever this sort of topic comes up - I don't personally care what type CDR anyone sends me, except it seems Maxells have a higher percentage of discs that sound "staticy" - but I keep certain stuff around to keep other folks happy (like a certain taper/trader with lots of Bob Dylan - now I'm thinking about getting some Diamond...)

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 01:42 PM
I've found Japanese-made Fujis on 30-disk spindles still in stock at CompUSA for $10.99. All of their 50-disk spindles were made in Taiwan. I'll be using the unbranded TY's when the good Fujis are gone. The Mitsui are just too pricey for me.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 02:25 PM
Jim, do you know if the Diamond CDR's are made by a company called Pioneer. I understand they are a maufacturer using Grade A dye.

A letter I received this week (kind of explains the change in Fuji's):

I've been using Taiyo Yuden discs for years, made in Europe by Sentinel-Belgium and graded A+ with the Japan-origin stamp in the inner frosted circle. Never had a problem with them. Recently they changed they're dye from TY to Acer/Parrot (grade B) and these discs do have a more inferior quality as I could experience. I skipped to German-made Ritek's (graded A or A-) for a while, but they don't have the same quality as TY's do have, so I'm back with silver Taiyo's (made by Sentinel from time to time and therefor hard to find).

The problem with finding good quality discs comes from Taiyo Yuden. They downsized worldwide the amount of dye they deliver to patent-holder manufacturors, so they can have more for they're own factories (to keep up the prices I suppose). Here in Europe it's hard to find branded TY-discs. Sony, TDK, Verbatim, Fuji, ... they all skipped to other dyes and they all have less quality.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 02:48 PM
Denza - the only Diamonds that I have (or know for sure that's what they are) - result in an "unknown" manfacturer when I check them with EAC, so I'm not certain who makes them - I might search on the net for info.

BTW - I believe the recent "made in Taiwan" labeled TDKs I bought at Circuit City were made by Ritek (7.99 for 100 after rebates) - at least that's what EAC says...

This is almost too confusing - who makes what, where and with what dye...

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 02:59 PM
OMG Not Taiwan ohh lord I'll never be able to listen to another recorded show again ohhhhhhhh my what am I going to do Taiwan!!!!!!!!!!! Lord
 
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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 03:21 PM
I know how you feel Bob - I've stopped trading until Fuji starts using TY again...NOT!

Hurt my feelings and made me cry when I got a recent e-mail from someone asking if I always use those "crappy blue-dye made in Taiwan" CDRs (..when they were actually TY made Fujis, and BTW, it pissed me off, really didn't cry - haha!)

So...I went out and got 100 TDKs for dirt cheap (7.99 after rebate) - I checked on the CDR information with EAC and saw they were made by Ritek and of the same dye type as those 'diamond silvers' that cost $36/100 plus $15 shipping...

Again. like I said before, don't matter to me what type gets sent to me (if it plays), and I'm too lazy and slow to be able to figure out who actually made what brand (or unbranded) disc, and what ones I'm supposed to crave...

Of course, I'm happy with the store brand jams and jellys and mayo, too, while my wife only wants Smuckers and Hellmans...

[Edited on 9/20/2003 by Benjamin]

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 03:31 PM
It just boils down to disc longevity...the thought of having to re-burn much of my collection is a mind-boggling thought...

From another letter I got this week:

About the quality aspect on CD-R's:
I have been trading CD-R's for some years now. I recently discovered the first
cases of CD-rot. Luckily I was able to copy the files to my hard drive and reburn them on other discs. My task at the moment is checking 1,500 or so cd-r's on loss of quality.

Why use Taiyo Yuden cd-r's?

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 03:33 PM
BTW, it's good to see you weathered the storm Jim!

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 03:59 PM
there is a site that explains alot about the dyes.. it was either on the Further.net site or Sugar Mags.. alot of great infor for you too make your own decision. I personnaly use Maxell and I know for a fact that the Pro and Black Label Maxell are made in Japan but the issue I have is they only come in Jewel cases. I still have about 100 or so Maxell left and I was actually going to gfo to Fuji just to insure people ARE getting the best possible Medium for the Music we trade.. Anyone ever use Teac???J
 
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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 05:21 PM
I have yet to have a problem with any "name brand" discs (other than Memorex). only the generic Staples, office Max...etc. All the same to me. I try to buy Fuji but if there is a Sony sale or something then....

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 05:46 PM
FWIW my local best buy still has a ton of 50-disc spindles of the blue-top audio Fujis that say "Made in Japan". They also sell two 50-pack spindles bundled together as a 100-pack for $44.99 minus a $5.00 instant rebate.



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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 09:06 PM
I have blue die fugi's that say japan and silvers that say taiwan. I say the cheaper you can get a CD get it. 100 pack imations for 7.99 run to the store. I try and trade FUJI's only because even the anals except them and they have been cheap until of late I think all the CD's prices seem to be going up.


 
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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 09:36 PM
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I have yet to have a problem with any "name brand" discs (other than Memorex). only the generic Staples, office Max...etc. All the same to me. I try to buy Fuji but if there is a Sony sale or something then....


I have two guys who always send me the gold Staples cds when I specify "AUDIO" or "MUSIC" discs only.

Pam is making Halloween Pumpkin decorations with the last batch.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 10:50 PM
I just bought a 50 pack of Fuji's today at Best Buy and they were the made in Japan kind. I guess this will be the last of the japanese ones for me

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 10:56 PM
I guess my only question is this: why use a disc with dye that has a shorter life expectancy, when for pennies more you can have something made to last longer? I just don't see replacing and reburning discs down the line as the cheaper way out.

Again, it's not so much a matter of if you have a problem with it now, but rather chancing a problem a few years down the line. But each to his own, at his own risk.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2003 at 10:57 PM
Gold Staples failed in my pc more than anything else(3 or 4).

 

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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 06:20 AM
good news for everyone. Fuji's made in Taiwan is only a temporary thang.TY was swamped and couldn't fill their order so Fuji had to go elsewhere. TY is the only Japanese manufacturer of CD-R so if it says made in Japan your gonna be all set. just bought two 100 packs at Best Buy that were TY. just make sure you read the label and let the masses buy out the Taiwanese discs and everything should be back to normal soon.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 08:26 AM
Someone just sent me Maxells in a trade. It says they are made in Japan???? Thought they were all Taiwan.....So I am assuming they are TY??? They also have the "cloudy" inner ring.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 12:55 PM
TY has made discs for Maxell, as well as an occasional OEM for Sony, TDK, Imation, Memorex, and others.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 01:08 PM
I've had my fair share of problems with Maxell and Memorex discs. But those Japan Maxell's seem to be pretty good discs. The Carolina Blue Fuji's are my favorites.

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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 10:43 PM
I'm going back tpo Hi-Val. I think they are made in Arkansas.

They may die inyour computer but you get 7 for the price of one.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2003 at 11:02 PM
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The Carolina Blue Fuji's are my favorites.

[Edited on 9/21/2003 by billpaff]



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