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  posted on 6/9/2009 at 03:34 PM
i am starting to realize that i like seeing the dTb better when they are just playing to play and not playing to promote a new album. they are freshest and more energetic when they don't feel obligated to play songs off of a new album. i saw this happen when they toured to promote songlines and now with already free. any thoughts?

 

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  posted on 6/9/2009 at 04:25 PM
all songs are new at one point, then they become old songs when some new ones come out

 

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  posted on 6/9/2009 at 04:38 PM
The recent setlists (other than the last part of the Wanee set with guests) have been pretty much the same from show to show. If you see the band a lot, it gets boring. I never though I would use that word in a thread with the DTB.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2009 at 06:53 PM
Once again, I will agree with both your opinions, Allen and Chris. I can't complain much because any show or setlist still does more for me than seeing any other group, but these sets have had no variations. What I don't understand is why "Don't Don't Bother Me" is hardly played compared to other Already Free songs. Anyway, I think we can all agree that we have soooooooo much to look forward to in the DTB world!
 

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  posted on 6/10/2009 at 09:04 AM
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The recent setlists (other than the last part of the Wanee set with guests) have been pretty much the same from show to show. If you see the band a lot, it gets boring. I never though I would use that word in a thread with the DTB.


Oh, if only we had the chance here in Europe to see the band a lot

 

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  posted on 6/10/2009 at 01:17 PM
I'll second that Ritchie

 

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  posted on 6/10/2009 at 03:18 PM
Caught DTB last night here in Detroit (Royal Oak, actually) and while still a good show, great compared to the rest of the music world, just lacked that other worldly transmorgrifying...oooomph. Been spoiled for to long, I have.


 

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  posted on 6/10/2009 at 03:22 PM
I third the Europe wishes.

Dont forget though that often a new releases equals ability to tour. Not always, I know, but it must sure make it easier.

 

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  posted on 6/10/2009 at 11:19 PM
Hey don't complain, we're sending the band back to Europe in July- that's twice in the same year, and sending his wife too... and we have only three shows within easy driving distance in August.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2009 at 05:50 AM
From what Derek has said in some recent articles, is that he would rather have the band play a set of songs that were really well polished, rather than play a ton of songs half assed. I think he said he wanted to achieve close to what the old R&B bands would do, while still trying to mix it up a little. I personally would rather hear songs that were really tight, and played often, then have a bunch of new stuff all the time, that was sloppy.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2009 at 08:25 AM
I have never seen them play sloppy, no matter what material they do. More than likely they are satisfying Sony who wants to promote the album.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2009 at 10:29 AM
No I haven't seen them play sloppy either, I was just posing a reason for why the band always seems to pick a certain few songs to really dig on each time out. You can deff. tell when the band has only played a song a couple of times though. When a band is that tight, sloppy is a very relative term.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2009 at 07:32 PM
Each night is a blank canvas. The band gets the tools they want to bring and goes on a mission from God. That is the way I see it.
 

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  posted on 6/11/2009 at 07:47 PM
Somebody is always gonna want more setlist diversity. Even if the band changes it up all the time.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2009 at 08:25 PM
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Hey don't complain, we're sending the band back to Europe in July- that's twice in the same year, and sending his wife too... and we have only three shows within easy driving distance in August.


Yeah we don't get them twice in one year here in Canada.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2009 at 06:08 PM
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**** . have you been paying attention to the recent setlists at all? they have played at most 9 of the 12 total songs of off already fee in a single show since AF came out. never anymore than that. and usually an average of *ONLY* 3-4 off of already free as seen from the month of may on dtbsetlists. they played 5 from AF, if i'm counting right, the other night in detroit. 5 of the 12 off off already free ain't that much. if you can cite otherwise then . . . /quote]

well i think that's a little harsh.

have you seen the clips from the SF show with Santana? it was phenom, earth shaking stuff. granted, when santana sits in, the level gets increased naturally. the edge was there.

i just prefer an edgy, chip on their shoulder dTb than a polished, tried and true dTb. i also that has something to do with them "making" it in the past two - three years.

it also has to do with venue selection. i'd like to see them in more "standing up" venues. the show at Spirit in nyc a few years back was great. the sit down theatre shows, you stand up once or twice so you don't block the people behind you.

 

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  posted on 6/13/2009 at 01:13 PM
I think focusing on set lists is missing the point with this band. Rico paints the set list and they all discuss it before the show. They have an idea in mind of what they want to do. 90% of the folks seeing this band are not on tour and each time they see dTb roll through their town, they see something different over a few year period. Set lists from 99, 01, 03, 05, 09: very different stuff. They do not roll up with the same show they played 10 years ago because they have a hit. They strategically plan the tunes they want to play for a year or so (with others mixed in), arrange them the way they want, then take them out to experiment. This is not the Dead from 1977 when everyone is on tour (needing different songs each night). This is a mature bunch of lifetime musicians exploring the depths of their souls, interests, and talents for anyone who wants to show up. If they visit Kansas City once in a year, they do not want those Royals fans to see a practice session. They want them to experience a polished show of great songs played by thoughtful, practiced musicians. This is not a test. It is a real fire and they did not show up for a fire drill. The fact that this band takes time each year to refocus and see where they want to go is a testament to how much they care about music and the audience. They have the utmost respect for both. That does not mean they won't repeat songs over 3 nights in a small geographic area (although I have found they try to mix it up in such a situation) and it does not mean every show will be a "10." However, every show will be an "8" or better and they hit "10" more than any and I've seen (often 11). The set list, however, is not what determines the performance. It is luck, mood, biorhythms, etc. The two best shows Iíve seen: 9/9/01 Hayfork, CA and 4/15/09 SF were only a little better than the worst dTb show Iíve seen and there have been about 60. I donít know the worst: never seen a bad one.
 

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  posted on 6/13/2009 at 07:05 PM
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If you see the band a lot, it gets boring. I never though I would use that word in a thread with the DTB.




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  posted on 6/14/2009 at 01:47 PM
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If you see the band a lot, it gets boring. I never though I would use that word in a thread with the DTB.




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Nope that's me... but the context is important. I could see the DTB every night of the week and love it if they mixed up the tunes more than they have been recently. But the Keswick show WAS boring, partly because of the setlist, partly the performance.

 

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bullshit. have you been paying attention to the recent setlists at all? they have played at most 9 of the 12 total songs of off already fee in a single show since AF came out. never anymore than that. and usually an average of *ONLY* 3-4 off of already free as seen from the month of may on dtbsetlists. they played 5 from AF, if i'm counting right, the other night in detroit. 5 of the 12 off off already free ain't that much. if you can cite otherwise then . . .

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i am starting to realize that i like seeing the dTb better when they are just playing to play and not playing to promote a new album. they are freshest and more energetic when they don't feel obligated to play songs off of a new album. i saw this happen when they toured to promote songlines and now with already free. any thoughts?



It's not bull **** and it's not just a question of only playing Already Free material, they have not been mixing up setlists nearly as much as they normally do. The tempo on a number of songs has been slowed down. At least on 5/29 the band had little energy. Were you there?

 

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  posted on 6/14/2009 at 02:45 PM
they have been playing songs off of AF since last Fall I do believe...at least the two shows that I attended.I hope to hear some different ones off AF this Fall, and also some oldies but goodies. I remember hearing them in Wilmington, NC on 10/29/04, and they played both Memphis Soul Stew and Soul Serenade which was way cool. It will always be too many off of AF for some, and too few for some. But it's ALL GOOD Peace , Brother Bill
 

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  posted on 6/15/2009 at 11:39 AM
Here's what I saw at the Zoo in MN this past Friday:
http://www.archive.org/details/dtb2009-06-12.km184.flac16

The didn't play Down in the Flood, but they did play Down Don't Bother Me. There was an excellent mix of tunes from Songlines, Already Free, and Georgia Theatre (plus a few not found on CD).

The band was excellent! The sound was terrific and they put on a great show. It was packed (over 1,500) and people were going nuts and giving standing ovations for nearly every tune.

 

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  posted on 6/15/2009 at 09:50 PM
I attended the Keswick show and I didn't find it at all "boring". I loved the setlist. Different strokes. I don't really care how many shows somebody sees. It doesn't make opinion fact.
 

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  posted on 6/16/2009 at 07:01 AM
I saw the DTB in April and I felt I was in the presence of divinity. The band Rocked and so did Derek.

Props to Spygirl

 

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  posted on 6/16/2009 at 12:40 PM
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I saw the DTB in April and I felt I was in the presence of divinity. The band Rocked and so did Derek.



that sounds about right~!

they take me higher each time (regardless of setlist) ... it's the performance.

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