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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 09:27 AM
Went to my doc yesterday, he surprised me. He said "I thought of you recently".... "I saw the Allman Brothers at The Gorge, I bought a T shirt, but didn't get a tattoo like you have". Turns out he always liked the Dead and went for that with ABB as a huge bonus.

So his comments, he raved over guitar work, and was amazed Warren played both bands. He said the ABB were really good as a band and he really liked.

His complaint (of sorts):

Nobody in the ABB talks to the audience. They seem indifferent. No attempt to get the crowd going, or have any rapor with crowd. He felt crowds get turned off by that and it makes it seem like the band doesn't care.

me: Besides a huge melody component, another thing that left with Dickey was someone personable with the crowd. Before Dickey, it was Duane... his mike wasn't there mostly for Dimples it was for his extensive crowd dialoge.

I agree with my doc...... it is silly and pompous to act like musical divas and not talk... shows a band with no leader and little friendliness.

Flame away. I know "I am above that, I am here for the music", well, you ain't the average casual ticket buyer, you are an ABB junkie, huge difference.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 09:40 AM
Just because they have enormous musical talent, doesn't mean they don't have some element of being self conscious. While Warren, Gregg and Derek shine "in their element" IMHO, and I'm really just guessing here, since I don't know them, they seem shy too. It's easy to confuse stage presence musically and assume that same person can just banter with the crowd, but improvising music and words are very different talents.

As far as Dickey bantering with the crowd, having seen multiple shows in some years, the fact that his comments always came at similar times, and were basically same, kind of says to me they were scripted and planned, not impromptu. Didn't he say something to the effect of "we have a long time to go this evening" EVERY SHOW?

(But, I agree 100% his melodic playing as a counterpoint to the slide is missed)

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 09:46 AM
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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 09:57 AM
I saw Jeff Beck open for Santana in 1995. the only thing he said was "thank you" right before he walked off stage. his "guitar" did the talking!, and that was fine by me.
 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:07 AM
I can see an outsider's point about their stage presence. One thing about the Allmans, though, is it is about the music when they are on stage. Warren and Derek are the most approachable musicians. They make sure to greet and sign as many autographs before heading on the bus.
 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:10 AM
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Flame away. I know "I am above that, I am here for the music", well, you ain't the average casual ticket buyer, you are an ABB junkie, huge difference.


At this point, with no hit single and no current album, I don't think the "average casual ticket buyer" is a huge factor in the band's shows. I had an extra ticket for the Great Woods show last year and offered it to an acquaintance from work. This fellow plays guitar and keyboard, has a home studio and goes to a lot of concerts. His response to my offer? "They still tour?"

As for audience interaction, I hate it when a band panders to the crowd, "It's great to be here in lovely _______ tonight!" For that matter, if I want to hear a lot of call and response I can go to a hip hop show. If I want to hear strangers sing the Allman Brothers greatest hits I can go to karaoke night for a lot less money.

Sounds like Cowboy Mouth might be a better fit for you

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:13 AM
I think it really depends on the personality on stage. People like BB and Buddy have a great relationship with the audience, it's their schtick, but frankly, the less talk from the Allmans is fine with me. I don't want to hear the history of the next song they are going to play, that kind of banter annoys me, it discredits the audience. The Allmans' tunes need no introduction, least of all from themselves. Yeah, Dickey would talk a little more, usually "this is a song we wrote especially for you" or something like that. All I need is the occasional "what a great crowd" from Gregg and I am set for 2 hours of music. Warren still talks once in a while, but I really appreciate musicians who let the music speak for itself.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:13 AM
So your doc is a dead-head?. I saw the dead a few times from 77-81 and they didn't say a damn thing to the crowd. also they took 10-15 minutes between songs sometimes to tune, and bullsh!t among themselves, Garcia inhaling cigarettes, etc. I thought that was a momentum killer, and lame.
 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:27 AM
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Flame away. I know "I am above that, I am here for the music", well, you ain't the average casual ticket buyer, you are an ABB junkie, huge difference.


At this point, with no hit single and no current album, I don't think the "average casual ticket buyer" is a huge factor in the band's shows. I had an extra ticket for the Great Woods show last year and offered it to an acquaintance from work. This fellow plays guitar and keyboard, has a home studio and goes to a lot of concerts. His response to my offer? "They still tour?"

As for audience interaction, I hate it when a band panders to the crowd, "It's great to be here in lovely _______ tonight!" For that matter, if I want to hear a lot of call and response I can go to a hip hop show. If I want to hear strangers sing the Allman Brothers greatest hits I can go to karaoke night for a lot less money.

Sounds like Cowboy Mouth might be a better fit for you








LOL, yeah tell him to go see Cowboy Mouth, then get back with us in two weeks. He will retract that statement about the Brothers not bantering enough. See you Thursday Bret, we are leaving tonight (Tuesday).....

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:32 AM
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So your doc is a dead-head?. I saw the dead a few times from 77-81 and they didn't say a damn thing to the crowd. also they took 10-15 minutes between songs sometimes to tune, and bullsh!t among themselves, Garcia inhaling cigarettes, etc. I thought that was a momentum killer, and lame.


I saw the dead a number of times and the Jerry garcia band too. I don't ever remember the Dead or Jerry with his own band say 1 word to the audience.

The minny breaks between songs could get a bit long for me too

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:32 AM
Well, I could count on a bunch of dismissive repsonse. Y'all REALLY don't get it. And yes, in Montana, there are people beyond hard core fans that go to shows, and that is true everywhere.

I am not promoting a performance demand on the band. I am conveying the opinion of my doc and his people he went with.

I have much more faith in his credibility than some posters here.

And only hard core fans even catch that responses to the crowd (as DB) can repeat over shows. Only looney fans that go to many shows catch that stuff. Dickey insincere? OK....

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:33 AM
Goldtop, I saw Dead in 7i-72 3 times and Bobby was very personable. So whatever....

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:34 AM
Not to mention Piggy, gee he never got the crowd going, haha. Did you ever see the real Dead?

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:42 AM
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As far as Dickey bantering with the crowd, having seen multiple shows in some years, the fact that his comments always came at similar times, and were basically same, kind of says to me they were scripted and planned, not impromptu. Didn't he say something to the effect of "we have a long time to go this evening" EVERY SHOW?


"How ya'll doin?... We don't get out this way much anymore, so we're gonna be with you tonight for about 3 hours"

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:49 AM
Lets not forget Gregg's favorite........


"Ya'll a great bunch" or is it "Ya'll been a great bunch"............something like that



 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:51 AM
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Lets not forget Gregg's favorite........
"Ya'll a great bunch" or is it "Ya'll been a great bunch"............something like that



I can recall Gregg saying once:

"We got a little bit of tightnin' up to do"

That was memorable

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:53 AM
Its great to be in insert city here .
The night is still young.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 11:14 AM
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Doctor cain't do me no good .... "

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 11:15 AM
Most of the time for me anyhow, when a performer "talks to the audience" I can't hear it nor understand what he/she said...

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 11:24 AM
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Flame away. I know "I am above that, I am here for the music", well, you ain't the average casual ticket buyer, you are an ABB junkie, huge difference.


At this point, with no hit single and no current album, I don't think the "average casual ticket buyer" is a huge factor in the band's shows. I had an extra ticket for the Great Woods show last year and offered it to an acquaintance from work. This fellow plays guitar and keyboard, has a home studio and goes to a lot of concerts. His response to my offer? "They still tour?"

As for audience interaction, I hate it when a band panders to the crowd, "It's great to be here in lovely _______ tonight!" For that matter, if I want to hear a lot of call and response I can go to a hip hop show. If I want to hear strangers sing the Allman Brothers greatest hits I can go to karaoke night for a lot less money.

Sounds like Cowboy Mouth might be a better fit for you








LOL, yeah tell him to go see Cowboy Mouth, then get back with us in two weeks. He will retract that statement about the Brothers not bantering enough. See you Thursday Bret, we are leaving tonight (Tuesday).....




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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 11:29 AM
To claim that anyone in the ABB ever talked to the crowd is a stretch. Duane was the only one who said different things.

I had to laugh at the notion that Dickey used to talk. Then the next post had

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"we have a long time to go this evening"


and I chuckled again because I didn't get to post it myself. This is said after the thirdor fourth song and then they play Blue Sky. I saw this at countless shows and have it on a couple of hundred others. On a good night he might add "sure are a lot of you".

Warren at least says different sentences when he speaks.

This lack of interaction bothers some and not others I guess. Doesn't seem too hard to come up with a new sentence.

I have taken many people that were bothered by this. And also some people don't get the long gaps between songs. Many seem confused at the beginning of shows where it can taken minutes after they appear on stage to play anything. Most are used to the big entrance by most bands.

The argument will be that they are about the music which is partially true but so are many other artists. I think a little talk would be nice. But Dickey was not some spokesman for the band unless you consider that one sentence and introducing the band being their voice.

Add Gregg and Dickey toether and you get

"Y'all a great bunch. Sure is a lot of you. We have a long time to go this evening"

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 11:30 AM
DB from Beacon 7/26 06.. something like, We been down the street , up street.... We're gonna play a good long time for y'all tonight.. Some of them is special .. this is one of them.... Thank You all so much.... right into BWIAB

I may have mixed up some of those comments he made through the evening into ..the one above... Next time I am listening to the CD's I'll correct this..but I think it's pretty close..

Yes, I do like "the talk" to the audience.... not to much , just alittle in between....

 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 12:10 PM
I've always felt they did just the right amount of talking. I usually catch them at the Beacon and it seems Gregg always gives a "How Ya Doin'" or Warren is usually pretty gracious when the fans go nuts for a song; there is usually a "Thank You" or something of the like. To be quite honest though, I feel like whenever band members speak (not just the ABB, but any band), I have a hard time hearing what they are saying, probably because my ears are shot from the volume of the songs. I guess it doesn't matter one way or another to me really. However, the one thing I actually don't like is to be spoken to too much at a show. I went to see U2 a while back and I felt like I was being lectured. That was a first and last for me.
 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 12:12 PM
That was Duane's forte. His comments LAFE are a great part of the album. The best ever tho' is Jerry Lee Lewis on "The Greatest Live Show On Earth" album. "I know we've got some real fine people here tonight. We've got rock and roll people, rhythm and blues type people, ah, a whole mixture. I wonder if we have anybody here that likes good country music? Do we? Well, I'll tell you one thing. You;re lookin at the cat here that'll do a blues tune one minute, then turn right around and do a good country tune. Right now, here's a song that'll never die. A Charlie Rich tune entitled "Who Will The Next Fool Be". (Then after the song) "Thank you very, very much ladies and gentlemen. I hope you enjoyed that great tune, "Who Will The Next Fool Be", I'm sure it'll probably be me, I'll guarantee ya".
 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 12:14 PM
"Scream for me Long Beach"

Oh, wait. Wrong thread ...

 

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