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Have you seen the MLB ad where a guy Raps Dylan's 'Forever Young"? Take a great song, remove the melody and you've got Rap. The sad part is this is considered the hip thing on Madison Avenue, still today. After 25 years haven't we heard enough Rap?
 
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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 01:10 PM
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The sad part is this is considered the hip thing on Madison Avenue, still today.


Well, they do make buckets o' dough off of it.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 01:13 PM
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Dylan's a pretty good rapper himself. Heard Subterranean Homesick Blues lately?


That was one song 45 years ago. My point was does EVERYTHING have to be Rap?

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 01:27 PM
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The sad part is this is considered the hip thing on Madison Avenue, still today.


Well, they do make buckets o' dough off of it.


"Buckets o' dough"... has little to with credibility.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 01:36 PM
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Have you seen the MLB ad where a guy Raps Dylan's 'Forever Young"? Take a great song, remove the melody and you've got Rap. The sad part is this is considered the hip thing on Madison Avenue, still today. After 25 years haven't we heard enough Rap?


I don't agree with you 100%. The guy obviously pays respect to Dylan. You can see it in his body language. He just uses his own form of expression to do it. I'm not a rap fan, but I really don't have a problem with this.


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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 01:43 PM
I wonder

Since it was a commercial, didn;t Dylan have to
some input into this? Or approval?

If so, then, if it is good enough for the Bard
who cares. Either you like it or you don't.

If he didn't, well, he is usually pretty quick
to jump on someone using his stuff ( not in
a borrowing kind of way) especially since it
was used during the Super Bowl.

That said, I agree about
"Subterranean Homesick Blues"

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 01:47 PM
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Take a great song, remove the melody and you've got Rap.


And I don't think this just pertains to Rap

For instance, take Elmore James vers of "the Sky is Crying"
and compare that to Clapton's lobotomized version on
"There's One In every Crowd"

 

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Dylan's a pretty good rapper himself. Heard Subterranean Homesick Blues lately?


That was one song 45 years ago. My point was does EVERYTHING have to be Rap?


I hear ya, LP. Thing is - they're desperate. They know that their vehicle/product is inferior, so they've got record people telling them to take desperate measures.

Funny how you never see rock groups sampling rap songs.


Members of the Roots have sat in with the Dave Matthews Band, and ?uestlove (their drummer) was one of the three main players in the Bonnaroo Super Jam (along with Ben Harper and John Paul Jones)

Michael Franti began his career as a rapper and still shows some hip-hop tendencies and influences.

Phish has been known to cover rap songs (like Tupac's "California Love")

 

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Dylan's a pretty good rapper himself. Heard Subterranean Homesick Blues lately?


That was one song 45 years ago. My point was does EVERYTHING have to be Rap?


I hear ya, LP. Thing is - they're desperate. They know that their vehicle/product is inferior, so they've got record people telling them to take desperate measures.

Funny how you never see rock groups sampling rap songs.


Members of the Roots have sat in with the Dave Matthews Band, and ?uestlove (their drummer) was one of the three main players in the Bonnaroo Super Jam (along with Ben Harper and John Paul Jones)

Michael Franti began his career as a rapper and still shows some hip-hop tendencies and influences.

Phish has been known to cover rap songs (like Tupac's "California Love")


Yeehaw?


Just making a point - the "sampling" isn't just a one-way street

 

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The sad part is this is considered the hip thing on Madison Avenue, still today.


Well, they do make buckets o' dough off of it.


"Buckets o' dough"... has little to with credibility.


Oh, I know. Twas' but a thought.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 03:01 PM
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But it's not very common.


Speaking of credibility.

Didn't Rowland place YOU in the Playpen?

 

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But it's not very common.


Speaking of credibility.

Didn't Rowland place YOU in the Playpen?


Hmmmm. There seems to be a little gnat that is trying to attach itself to my groin area!

Fabulous!


Didn't Rowland place YOU in the Playpen?

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 03:17 PM
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After 25 years haven't we heard enough Rap?



I respect the right for people to play what they want and listen to what they want.


If I don't want to hear it, I don't listen to it.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 03:21 PM
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After 25 years haven't we heard enough Rap?



I respect the right for people to play what they want and listen to what they want.


If I don't want to hear it, I don't listen to it.


Well said, Kenny

 

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Hmmmm. There seems to be a little gnat that is trying to attach itself to my groin area!

Fabulous!


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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 03:29 PM
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Alot of the comments in this thread remind me of my parent's reaction to my interest in the music I was listening to when I was a kid.


Exactly.

 

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Alot of the comments in this thread remind me of my parent's reaction to my interest in the music I was listening to when I was a kid.


Mine too. But, we listened to Music.

"Rap" is not music

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 03:47 PM
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Sorry, but you don't get to decide what qualifies as music.


Amen to that, when I get to work every morning there is Rap music blasting everday in the drivers area. Then I think about when I was young and would pull up next to some old couple with my windows down and Judas Priest blasting as loud as it would go. Back then I cared less about what people thought of my music. I'm not going to act like some bitter old man now.

Let em have fun.........

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 04:04 PM
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Sorry, but you don't get to decide what qualifies as music.


True, but I'm only expressing an opinion. It's not music to me.

 

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Sorry, but you don't get to decide what qualifies as music.


Music has NOTES. That's what makes it MUSIC. There's a qualifier.

 

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Sorry, but you don't get to decide what qualifies as music.


Music has NOTES. That's what makes it MUSIC. There's a qualifier.


Of course, rap has notes too, just seemingly ones that you don't want to listen to.


If talking has notes I guess you're right. As for Dylan's credibility, that is ancient history.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 04:58 PM
It's kind of funny, but these are a lot of the same comments my parents made to me about the Beatles when I was a kid.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 05:02 PM
Rap is Music and is an Art.

It reflects the culture of a younger generation in music, beat and rhyme.

Just because someone doesn't get it nor care for it will not change these facts.

As long as it is a viable art form for those it represents it will continue to be
the music of that generation.

It has spread to other genre, that include spoken words or rhyme.

metal bands that rap, ect.

They said the music of our generation would die, yet here is the Allman Brothers Band
40 years on.

I always enjoy the "rap" at the end of "Nights in White Satin"

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 05:06 PM
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It's kind of funny, but these are a lot of the same comments my parents made to me about the Beatles when I was a kid.


Mr MacKenzie, circa 19??: "What is that infernal racket coming from Doug's room? It doesn't sound like the Best of John Philip Sousa to me..."

That started about 1964, when I was 8. My dad told me, "I don't want to turn the corner and see my house shaking from all the way at the end of the street because the music is so loud!"
Parents. Sheesh!

 

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