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I must say, I do get a degree of satisfaction from bitch-slapping the terminally ignorant with reality...

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DEATH OF U.S. HEALTHCARE
By DICK MORRIS

When all of America’s top health insurers and providers met at the White House this week and pledged to save $2 trillion over the next decade in health costs, they were pledging to sabotage our medical care. The blunt truth, which everybody agreed to keep quiet, is that the only way to reduce these costs is to ration healthcare, thereby destroying our system.

Here’s why:

• Essential to any cost reduction is a cut in doctors’ fees. Congress is trying to cut Medicare fees by 21 percent. But cuts in fees and doctors’ incomes will just discourage people from entering the profession and those already in it from practicing. The limited number of doctors and nurses in the United States is the key constraint on the availability of healthcare. Our national inventory of 800,000 doctors is growing at only about 1 percent a year (18,000 med school graduates annually minus retirements), while the nurse population is stagnant at 1.4 million. To stretch these limited resources so that they can treat 50 million more people is possible only through the most severe kind of rationing.

• As in Canada, the best way to cut medical costs is to refrain from using the best drugs to treat cancer and other illnesses, thereby economizing at the expense of patients’ lives. Forty-four percent of the drugs approved by the Canadian health authorities for use in their country are not allowed by the healthcare system due to their high cost. As a result, death rates from cancer are 16 percent higher in Canada than in the United States. We will pay for the attempt to save $2 trillion with our lives. (And remember, one cannot opt out of the Canadian system and pay for the medications out of pocket.)

• The only real way to save money on the scale projected is to ration healthcare services. Optimists say that this can be achieved by increased use of preventive care. But the Canadian experience indicates that when government — or its satellite private insurance providers — ration healthcare, they cut preventive care first. In Canada, colonoscopies are so rationed that the colon cancer rate is 25 percent higher than in the U.S. (even though Canada has a much smaller proportion of poor people, whose frequently bad diets make them more prone to the disease).

Obama’s pretension that nobody will find changes in his or her current health insurance plans except for a magical reduction in their cost by $2,500 a year is a fool’s proposition. Private health insurers will be no more private than TARP-funded banks or government-subsidized car companies are in Obama’s America. They will be controlled by government healthcare planners who will approve treatments, limit drug use, hold down medical incomes and bring their cost-cutting programs to bear. Inevitably, their ax will fall on the oldest and the sickest among us, those least “deserving” of our newly limited and, under Obama’s program, diminishing healthcare resources.

The other radical changes Obama is bringing about in our nation can always be reversed. New taxes can be repealed or lowered. That which was nationalized can be privatized. Government which has grown can be cut. But once the healthcare system is extended to cover everyone, with no commensurate increase in the resources available, the change will be forever. The vicious cycle of cuts in medical resources and in the number of doctors and nurses will doom healthcare in this country. This wanton destruction will not be reversible by any bill or program. A crucial part of our quality of life — the best healthcare in the world — will be gone forever.

Politically, voters will feel the impact of these “reforms” very quickly. When they face rejection or limitation at the hands of the bureaucrats, they will quickly understand that the their options have become limited. Just as in the 1990s, when HMOs first became universal, the patient outrage will create a political force all its own and those who foisted this brave new world on the American people will be in their crosshairs.

 

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Dick Morris, who knew?

 

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Dick Morris, who knew?


Get with the program, Smokey! Even in your condition you can post silly pictures AND send me e-mails asking me to confirm my (your) password change!

 

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Get with the program, Smokey! Even in your condition you can post silly pictures AND send me e-mails asking me to confirm my (your) password change!






Madam, I must say you are even better than the KGB sniffing out the culprit of the Password Gate.....LOL!

 

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This current failed system can't die quick enough as far as I'm concerned. 50 million people with no access to healthcare is unacceptable period. We are the only industrialized nation on earth who doesn't take care of it's own.

 

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Get with the program, Smokey! Even in your condition you can post silly pictures AND send me e-mails asking me to confirm my (your) password change!






Madam, I must say you are even better than the KGB sniffing out the culprit of the Password Gate.....LOL!


Thank you for acknowledging same. It was too easy. Now let's see what the moderators have to say in regards to your affirmation, shall we?

 

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You did it again with yet another honest, hard-hitting update on what is going on in our country! You sir, are a public servant in the truest sense!!

Rich

 

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I must say, I do get a degree of satisfaction from bitch-slapping the terminally ignorant with reality...



I work in a hospital. This article is fraught with nothing but opinion, not all of it factual.

 

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I work in a hospital. This article is fraught with nothing but opinion, not all of it factual.


Why don't enlighten us on the parts YOU consider factual.

 

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I work in a hospital. This article is fraught with nothing but opinion, not all of it factual.


Why don't enlighten us on the parts YOU consider factual.


No.

 

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I must say, I do get a degree of satisfaction from bitch-slapping the terminally ignorant with reality...



I work in a hospital. This article is fraught with nothing but opinion, not all of it factual.


Why don't enlighten us on the parts YOU consider factual.


As if you could. You don't even have an original opinion.
Please provide factual data yourself.

Oh, that's right. You never do.

TROLL

 

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I must say, I do get a degree of satisfaction from bitch-slapping the terminally ignorant with reality...



I work in a hospital. This article is fraught with nothing but opinion, not all of it factual.


Why don't enlighten us on the parts YOU consider factual.


No.


Of course not. We'll just have to take your word for it.

 

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Thank you for acknowledging same. It was too easy. Now let's see what the moderators have to say in regards to your affirmation, shall we?






Here is the thing sister, you keep sending me PM's of the lyrics to "I want to be your Dog" but at some point you must realize that it can never be. I have been told it is good to want things, however in this case it is not good for you to want to be my dog. So if you will stop sending the lyrics I will stop trying to "trick" you into changing your password. LOL!



I Wanna Be Your Dog

Lyrics

So messed up I want you here
In my room I want you here
Now we're gonna be Face-to-face
And I'll lay right down In my favorite place
And now I want to be your dog
Now I want to be your dog
Now I want to be your dog
Well c'mon

Now I'm ready to close my eyes
And now I'm ready to close my mind
And now I'm ready to feel your hand
And lose my heart on the burning sands
And now I want to be your dog
And now I wenna be your dog
Now I want to be your dog
Well c'mon"


 

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Of course not. We'll just have to take your word for it.




Between Bhawk and Dick "lying tax cheat" Morris, I know who I believe. Maybe you can find a source that doesnt have credibility problems?

 

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Thank you for acknowledging same. It was too easy. Now let's see what the moderators have to say in regards to your affirmation, shall we?






Here is the thing sister, you keep sending me PM's of the lyrics to "I want to be your Dog" but at some point you must realize that it can never be. I have been told it is good to want things, however in this case it is not good for you to want to be my dog. So if you will stop sending the lyrics I will stop trying to "trick" you into changing your password. LOL!



I Wanna Be Your Dog

Lyrics

So messed up I want you here
In my room I want you here
Now we're gonna be Face-to-face
And I'll lay right down In my favorite place
And now I want to be your dog
Now I want to be your dog
Now I want to be your dog
Well c'mon

Now I'm ready to close my eyes
And now I'm ready to close my mind
And now I'm ready to feel your hand
And lose my heart on the burning sands
And now I want to be your dog
And now I wenna be your dog
Now I want to be your dog
Well c'mon"





T'wasn't me. you're not worth the trouble. BTW, I saw the ORIGINAL Stooges a half dozen times before I first saw the ABB in 1972. When did you say you saw your first ABB show? Oh yeah... you didn't. Poseur.

 

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T'wasn't me. you're not worth the trouble. BTW, I saw the ORIGINAL Stooges a half dozen times before I first saw the ABB in 1972. When did you say you saw your first ABB show? Oh yeah... you didn't. Poseur.





That's right, I have never seen an ABB show so therefore it would be hard to have a "first time", right?

Of course you saw the Stooges a dozen times, how would I think otherwise with your flair for wigs and gowns. I can totally see you fitting right in at a Stooges show.

Of course it was you don't be shy you know I am worth it, you said so yourself. I was more than worth it when you were seeking my advise on fashion and dieting even though I see based on your photo's that you have yet to put that advise into actual practice but I have not given up hope, yet!

[Edited on 5/15/2009 by PattyG]

 

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You did it again with yet another honest, hard-hitting update on what is going on in our country! You sir, are a public servant in the truest sense!!

Rich
LMAO!!! Hmmm..... Rich/Dick??? .... new account set up at same time a certain member is having problems logging in??? I guess this is one way to get a friendly voice to play with ... comrade...

 

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BTW, I saw the ORIGINAL Stooges a half dozen times before I first saw the ABB in 1972.


That explains a lot.

 

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BTW, I saw the ORIGINAL Stooges a half dozen times before I first saw the ABB in 1972.


That explains a lot.
LMAO!!!

 

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BTW, I saw the ORIGINAL Stooges a half dozen times before I first saw the ABB in 1972.
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That explains a lot.
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LMAO!!!






Yes it is very telling, is it not?

 

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BTW, I saw the ORIGINAL Stooges a half dozen times before I first saw the ABB in 1972.
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That explains a lot.
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LMAO!!!



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Yes it is very telling, is it not?
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Convicted by his own words.

Moe Howard as a role model.





Even after all this being said, RBK still wants "To Be My Dog", can you imagine?

 

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I must say, I do get a degree of satisfaction from bitch-slapping the terminally ignorant with reality...

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DEATH OF U.S. HEALTHCARE
By DICK MORRIS

When all of America’s top health insurers and providers met at the White House this week and pledged to save $2 trillion over the next decade in health costs, they were pledging to sabotage our medical care. The blunt truth, which everybody agreed to keep quiet, is that the only way to reduce these costs is to ration healthcare, thereby destroying our system.

Here’s why:

• Essential to any cost reduction is a cut in doctors’ fees. Congress is trying to cut Medicare fees by 21 percent. But cuts in fees and doctors’ incomes will just discourage people from entering the profession and those already in it from practicing. The limited number of doctors and nurses in the United States is the key constraint on the availability of healthcare. Our national inventory of 800,000 doctors is growing at only about 1 percent a year (18,000 med school graduates annually minus retirements), while the nurse population is stagnant at 1.4 million. To stretch these limited resources so that they can treat 50 million more people is possible only through the most severe kind of rationing.

• As in Canada, the best way to cut medical costs is to refrain from using the best drugs to treat cancer and other illnesses, thereby economizing at the expense of patients’ lives. Forty-four percent of the drugs approved by the Canadian health authorities for use in their country are not allowed by the healthcare system due to their high cost. As a result, death rates from cancer are 16 percent higher in Canada than in the United States. We will pay for the attempt to save $2 trillion with our lives. (And remember, one cannot opt out of the Canadian system and pay for the medications out of pocket.)

• The only real way to save money on the scale projected is to ration healthcare services. Optimists say that this can be achieved by increased use of preventive care. But the Canadian experience indicates that when government — or its satellite private insurance providers — ration healthcare, they cut preventive care first. In Canada, colonoscopies are so rationed that the colon cancer rate is 25 percent higher than in the U.S. (even though Canada has a much smaller proportion of poor people, whose frequently bad diets make them more prone to the disease).

Obama’s pretension that nobody will find changes in his or her current health insurance plans except for a magical reduction in their cost by $2,500 a year is a fool’s proposition. Private health insurers will be no more private than TARP-funded banks or government-subsidized car companies are in Obama’s America. They will be controlled by government healthcare planners who will approve treatments, limit drug use, hold down medical incomes and bring their cost-cutting programs to bear. Inevitably, their ax will fall on the oldest and the sickest among us, those least “deserving” of our newly limited and, under Obama’s program, diminishing healthcare resources.

The other radical changes Obama is bringing about in our nation can always be reversed. New taxes can be repealed or lowered. That which was nationalized can be privatized. Government which has grown can be cut. But once the healthcare system is extended to cover everyone, with no commensurate increase in the resources available, the change will be forever. The vicious cycle of cuts in medical resources and in the number of doctors and nurses will doom healthcare in this country. This wanton destruction will not be reversible by any bill or program. A crucial part of our quality of life — the best healthcare in the world — will be gone forever.

Politically, voters will feel the impact of these “reforms” very quickly. When they face rejection or limitation at the hands of the bureaucrats, they will quickly understand that the their options have become limited. Just as in the 1990s, when HMOs first became universal, the patient outrage will create a political force all its own and those who foisted this brave new world on the American people will be in their crosshairs.


Health care will have to be rationed and taxes will have to be raised to pay for covering everyone. There is a large segment of the population who does not contribute to the tax base but received benefits (Medicaid, Medicare, SSI/SSD). The reasons why they are on those programs do not matter, it is the number of people who are not paying into the system but are utilizing services from health care providers that will make it more expensive for everyone who is working and wanting low cost benefits. So what is the solution? It is unsustainable as it is now. Either you ration or deny services to part of all of the people who are not paying into the system, or everyone else pays more to help cover that cost. The working poor who have no benefits will not be able to buy into any new system unless you get universal living wage salary increases implemented and good luck since businesses do not want to do that. It decreases their profits. www.universallivingwage.org. My job recently told us our current insurance experienced huge cost increases so we will have to co-pay 17% more for our benefits. The company pays the bulk of the benefits but we have to pay some of it too. For family plans it is a big increase. They will not even cover spouses for anyone hired after 2007, they would have to pay the entire cost themselves. It's just reality.

 

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I must say, I do get a degree of satisfaction from bitch-slapping the terminally ignorant with reality...

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DEATH OF U.S. HEALTHCARE
By DICK MORRIS

When all of America’s top health insurers and providers met at the White House this week and pledged to save $2 trillion over the next decade in health costs, they were pledging to sabotage our medical care. The blunt truth, which everybody agreed to keep quiet, is that the only way to reduce these costs is to ration healthcare, thereby destroying our system.

Here’s why:

• Essential to any cost reduction is a cut in doctors’ fees. Congress is trying to cut Medicare fees by 21 percent. But cuts in fees and doctors’ incomes will just discourage people from entering the profession and those already in it from practicing. The limited number of doctors and nurses in the United States is the key constraint on the availability of healthcare. Our national inventory of 800,000 doctors is growing at only about 1 percent a year (18,000 med school graduates annually minus retirements), while the nurse population is stagnant at 1.4 million. To stretch these limited resources so that they can treat 50 million more people is possible only through the most severe kind of rationing.

• As in Canada, the best way to cut medical costs is to refrain from using the best drugs to treat cancer and other illnesses, thereby economizing at the expense of patients’ lives. Forty-four percent of the drugs approved by the Canadian health authorities for use in their country are not allowed by the healthcare system due to their high cost. As a result, death rates from cancer are 16 percent higher in Canada than in the United States. We will pay for the attempt to save $2 trillion with our lives. (And remember, one cannot opt out of the Canadian system and pay for the medications out of pocket.)

• The only real way to save money on the scale projected is to ration healthcare services. Optimists say that this can be achieved by increased use of preventive care. But the Canadian experience indicates that when government — or its satellite private insurance providers — ration healthcare, they cut preventive care first. In Canada, colonoscopies are so rationed that the colon cancer rate is 25 percent higher than in the U.S. (even though Canada has a much smaller proportion of poor people, whose frequently bad diets make them more prone to the disease).

Obama’s pretension that nobody will find changes in his or her current health insurance plans except for a magical reduction in their cost by $2,500 a year is a fool’s proposition. Private health insurers will be no more private than TARP-funded banks or government-subsidized car companies are in Obama’s America. They will be controlled by government healthcare planners who will approve treatments, limit drug use, hold down medical incomes and bring their cost-cutting programs to bear. Inevitably, their ax will fall on the oldest and the sickest among us, those least “deserving” of our newly limited and, under Obama’s program, diminishing healthcare resources.

The other radical changes Obama is bringing about in our nation can always be reversed. New taxes can be repealed or lowered. That which was nationalized can be privatized. Government which has grown can be cut. But once the healthcare system is extended to cover everyone, with no commensurate increase in the resources available, the change will be forever. The vicious cycle of cuts in medical resources and in the number of doctors and nurses will doom healthcare in this country. This wanton destruction will not be reversible by any bill or program. A crucial part of our quality of life — the best healthcare in the world — will be gone forever.

Politically, voters will feel the impact of these “reforms” very quickly. When they face rejection or limitation at the hands of the bureaucrats, they will quickly understand that the their options have become limited. Just as in the 1990s, when HMOs first became universal, the patient outrage will create a political force all its own and those who foisted this brave new world on the American people will be in their crosshairs.


Health care will have to be rationed and taxes will have to be raised to pay for covering everyone. There is a large segment of the population who does not contribute to the tax base but received benefits (Medicaid, Medicare, SSI/SSD). The reasons why they are on those programs do not matter, it is the number of people who are not paying into the system but are utilizing services from health care providers that will make it more expensive for everyone who is working and wanting low cost benefits. So what is the solution? It is unsustainable as it is now. Either you ration or deny services to part of all of the people who are not paying into the system, or everyone else pays more to help cover that cost. The working poor who have no benefits will not be able to buy into any new system unless you get universal living wage salary increases implemented and good luck since businesses do not want to do that. It decreases their profits. www.universallivingwage.org. My job recently told us our current insurance experienced huge cost increases so we will have to co-pay 17% more for our benefits. The company pays the bulk of the benefits but we have to pay some of it too. For family plans it is a big increase. They will not even cover spouses for anyone hired after 2007, they would have to pay the entire cost themselves. It's just reality.


It's only reality because we let Wash. ( and the insurance co.s ) get away with it. The problem is easy to ignore untill it effects you.

 

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DEATH OF U.S. HEALTHCARE
By DICK MORRIS

When all of America’s top health insurers and providers met at the White House this week and pledged to save $2 trillion over the next decade in health costs, they were pledging to sabotage our medical care. The blunt truth, which everybody agreed to keep quiet, is that the only way to reduce these costs is to ration healthcare, thereby destroying our system.

Here’s why:

• Essential to any cost reduction is a cut in doctors’ fees. Congress is trying to cut Medicare fees by 21 percent. But cuts in fees and doctors’ incomes will just discourage people from entering the profession and those already in it from practicing. The limited number of doctors and nurses in the United States is the key constraint on the availability of healthcare. Our national inventory of 800,000 doctors is growing at only about 1 percent a year (18,000 med school graduates annually minus retirements), while the nurse population is stagnant at 1.4 million. To stretch these limited resources so that they can treat 50 million more people is possible only through the most severe kind of rationing.

• As in Canada, the best way to cut medical costs is to refrain from using the best drugs to treat cancer and other illnesses, thereby economizing at the expense of patients’ lives. Forty-four percent of the drugs approved by the Canadian health authorities for use in their country are not allowed by the healthcare system due to their high cost. As a result, death rates from cancer are 16 percent higher in Canada than in the United States. We will pay for the attempt to save $2 trillion with our lives. (And remember, one cannot opt out of the Canadian system and pay for the medications out of pocket.)

• The only real way to save money on the scale projected is to ration healthcare services. Optimists say that this can be achieved by increased use of preventive care. But the Canadian experience indicates that when government — or its satellite private insurance providers — ration healthcare, they cut preventive care first. In Canada, colonoscopies are so rationed that the colon cancer rate is 25 percent higher than in the U.S. (even though Canada has a much smaller proportion of poor people, whose frequently bad diets make them more prone to the disease).

Obama’s pretension that nobody will find changes in his or her current health insurance plans except for a magical reduction in their cost by $2,500 a year is a fool’s proposition. Private health insurers will be no more private than TARP-funded banks or government-subsidized car companies are in Obama’s America. They will be controlled by government healthcare planners who will approve treatments, limit drug use, hold down medical incomes and bring their cost-cutting programs to bear. Inevitably, their ax will fall on the oldest and the sickest among us, those least “deserving” of our newly limited and, under Obama’s program, diminishing healthcare resources.

The other radical changes Obama is bringing about in our nation can always be reversed. New taxes can be repealed or lowered. That which was nationalized can be privatized. Government which has grown can be cut. But once the healthcare system is extended to cover everyone, with no commensurate increase in the resources available, the change will be forever. The vicious cycle of cuts in medical resources and in the number of doctors and nurses will doom healthcare in this country. This wanton destruction will not be reversible by any bill or program. A crucial part of our quality of life — the best healthcare in the world — will be gone forever.

Politically, voters will feel the impact of these “reforms” very quickly. When they face rejection or limitation at the hands of the bureaucrats, they will quickly understand that the their options have become limited. Just as in the 1990s, when HMOs first became universal, the patient outrage will create a political force all its own and those who foisted this brave new world on the American people will be in their crosshairs.


Health care will have to be rationed and taxes will have to be raised to pay for covering everyone. There is a large segment of the population who does not contribute to the tax base but received benefits (Medicaid, Medicare, SSI/SSD). The reasons why they are on those programs do not matter, it is the number of people who are not paying into the system but are utilizing services from health care providers that will make it more expensive for everyone who is working and wanting low cost benefits. So what is the solution? It is unsustainable as it is now. Either you ration or deny services to part of all of the people who are not paying into the system, or everyone else pays more to help cover that cost. The working poor who have no benefits will not be able to buy into any new system unless you get universal living wage salary increases implemented and good luck since businesses do not want to do that. It decreases their profits. www.universallivingwage.org. My job recently told us our current insurance experienced huge cost increases so we will have to co-pay 17% more for our benefits. The company pays the bulk of the benefits but we have to pay some of it too. For family plans it is a big increase. They will not even cover spouses for anyone hired after 2007, they would have to pay the entire cost themselves. It's just reality.
Like all socialist and centrally-planned schemes, the outcome will be to reduce the quality to the lowest common denominator instead of raising it. Say all you want about other industrialized nations having nationalized plans, you don't hear stories about their wealthy going anywhere except the US when they want the best of care. When did America turn from being a country that pursues excellence to one that accepts mediocrity?

 

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  posted on 5/16/2009 at 09:57 AM
Like all socialist and centrally-planned schemes, the outcome will be to reduce the quality to the lowest common denominator instead of raising it. Say all you want about other industrialized nations having nationalized plans, you don't hear stories about their wealthy going anywhere except the US when they want the best of care. When did America turn from being a country that pursues excellence to one that accepts mediocrity?


Considering the US 's healthcare system is rated far below many of those dreaded socialist countries systems your argument doesn't hold much credibility.

 

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