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  posted on 5/14/2009 at 08:50 AM
In late November I posted the story of the park in the KC suburbs that has been overrun with deer, nearly 200 per square mile.

Well, they still haven't done anything about it, and it's getting worse.

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'Get it done,' deer detractors say of plan to cull at Shawnee Mission Park
By JIM SULLINGER
The Kansas City Star

Connie Kesselring looked out her back window recently and saw 13 deer grazing in her backyard.

They’ve destroyed plants and shrubbery and are even eating her evergreens.

“There’s deer poop all over the yard and, of course, the dog wants to eat that,” she said.

Kesselring moved six years ago to a Lenexa home that is next to Shawnee Mission Park.

She was among 40 people who spoke Wednesday at a public hearing on the deer overpopulation at the park. The hearing, held at the Shawnee Civic Centre and attended by more than 100, was conducted by the Johnson County Park and Recreation Board.

The board is expected to decide in the next few weeks how to control a deer population at the park that virtually everyone at Wednesday’s hearing agreed was out of control.

Duane Schempp of Shawnee seemed to speak for many when he questioned why park and county officials had allowed the problem to become this serious. His message: Get the deer under control.

“Get the job done and get it done now,” he said.

Board members must decide between lethal or nonlethal methods, and people who testified at the hearing were divided on that question.

Several people urged the board to allow bow hunters to cull the herd.

R.J. Jubber of Eudora belonged to a group of bow hunters based in Olathe.

“It’s the most viable option in this situation,” he said. “It’s been used in many parts of the nation and it’s very safe. We want to see most of the deer killed in the park, but not all the deer.”

Others, however, urged control through nonlethal means such as trapping and relocating the deer or sterilizing them to inhibit reproduction.

Anita Coleman urged the board to avoid slaughtering the deer, adding that bow hunting was cruel.

“Injured deer could suffer for hours or days before dying,” she said.

Charles Lee, a wildlife specialist at Kansas State University, said many nonlethal methods can be very expensive. For example, he said fertility control can cost from $200 to $1,000 for each deer. It is estimated that more than 400 deer live in the park.

Other witnesses said they were concerned about the potential for disease carried by deer ticks. One woman said her daughter came out of an area of the park with her arms filled with ticks.

“We don’t have a deer problem, we have a disease problem,” said Tracy Thomas of Shawnee. She and other witnesses said deer ticks at the park are spreading Lyme disease.

http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1196224.html




Can't help but wonder that all that deer meat, once cleared free of disease, couldn't go to good use.

Also, I'm no bow hunting expert, but methinks that reason that lady gave for bow hunting being cruel doesn't know much about what she speaks.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2009 at 08:55 AM
See chicken thread

 

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  posted on 5/14/2009 at 08:56 AM
I posted this earilier on the "chicken thread".

To me, deer are just rats with better PR. Deer populations are way out of control in many areas accross the country, and the reason for that is that deer are very adaptable creatures and do quite well in a suburban and even urban enviroment. A little park land with a mixture of woods and open areas, and deer are "happy campers". As for control, the bow-hunting method seems to work best. It's what they used in park lands in the Northern Va area.

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I missed it. Haven't been in that thread in a few days.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2009 at 09:00 AM
The deer in the KCI terminal story...far from JOCO but I bet those deer are related.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-deer-inside-kci-51109,0,6551158.story

 

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I posted this earilier on the "chicken thread".

To me, deer are just rats with better PR. Deer populations are way out of control in many areas accross the country, and the reason for that is that deer are very adaptable creatures and do quite well in a suburban and even urban enviroment. A little park land with a mixture of woods and open areas, and deer are "happy campers". As for control, the bow-hunting method seems to work best. It's what they used in park lands in the Northern Va area.




Across the street from me is the back end of a large park that was just full of deer. Deer in the front yard, deer in the back yard, and many folks learnt the hard way that they shouldn't put trash bags with food in them on the curb the night before trash day, you think a cat or raccoon can mess up the trash...anyway, about six months ago the coyotes moved into that park. Saw a couple of them late at night, and the sounds the pack would make at night when police or ambulance sirens were near was beyond creepy. Well, about three months ago, in the name of more "development," (does the world really need another strip mall?) they razed about 20 acres of the park and turnt all these wonderful old giant trees into huge piles of mulch (the sight of people pulling up with trucks and frantically loading up with free mulch was hilarious). At any rate, the park is much smaller...and we don't see any deer anymore, and I don't hear the coyotes at all anymore. Methinks the coyotes had quite a few large meals and moved on.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2009 at 09:06 AM
Bhawk – They have a huge deer issue out on the east end of Long Island. The mayor of one of the towns just opened a bow season to cull some of the herd. Of course, the usual folks protested. The mayor, however, had a great response in terms of keeping disease in check, decreasing accidents, as well as being able to use all that venison to feed the areas hungry.
 

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  posted on 5/14/2009 at 09:31 AM
Milwaukee County has the exact same problem. A year or so ago they hired "sharpshooters" to cull the herd. I sight my rifle in every year and can put a nice tight 3 shotpattern within an inch of each other in the black from 200 yards. Does this qualify me as a sharpshooter? Well there is a silver lining they do donate the venison to food banks.

 

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  posted on 5/14/2009 at 09:46 AM
mmm - venison.

Skilled bow hunters can dispatch a deer as humanely and effectivley as a hunter skilled with a rifle. A broadhead don't expand or stike with near the energy that a high velocity rifle round does and does not create the resulting collateral damage which results in a quick kill. Therefore, placement is much more critical. But a rifle round with nothing to stop it can travel for a long distance, therefore is not what you want in a densely human populated area.

A badly placed bow shot, most likely to be taken by an unskilled or unethical (ie. not choosing to pass a questionable shot, or too long a shot) can maim or merely injure the deer. If there were a bunch of deer running around with an arrow sticking out of their ass, it would rightfully create a public outcry. I saw a picture last year of a deer that was taken in gun season that had an arrow shaft all the way though its neck, but had not struck anything vital. I don't own a bow and therefore don't participate in bow season.

Crossbows are allowed during bow season here and can be used effectively by most anyone.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 02:26 PM

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 02:27 PM
oh deer....

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 04:05 PM
I get a lot of deer in my yard. They drive me nuts when they eat my plants ... like last year when they ate the buds off of every single rose bush in my back yard...

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 05:12 PM
I have no problem with a controlled hunt as long as they use what they kill for food for people in need.

 

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  posted on 5/15/2009 at 05:43 PM
Coyote yelps are 'creepy'.........alrighty then. I think they are cool as sh*t. Hopefully the yelps are intermingled with the sounds of the neighborhood Fifi dogs smaller than a jack Russell being ripped to shreds. Now you're talking.

By the way, if you do get a nice and fluffy coyote tail, cut it off and put the end bone in a vice with the tail hanging down below it. Then, put together two long screwdrivers and scrape up and down the tail bone until the fur is seperated and off the bone. Then, fill the tail pelt with 20 Mull Borax and let it cure up and soon you have something cool to hang from the wall.

As for the deer- as The Nuge would say - "pumphouse disconnect!"

[Edited on 5/15/2009 by DerekFromCincinnati]

 

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In late November I posted the story of the park in the KC suburbs that has been overrun with deer, nearly 200 per square mile.

Well, they still haven't done anything about it, and it's getting worse.

quote:
'Get it done,' deer detractors say of plan to cull at Shawnee Mission Park
By JIM SULLINGER
The Kansas City Star

Connie Kesselring looked out her back window recently and saw 13 deer grazing in her backyard.

They’ve destroyed plants and shrubbery and are even eating her evergreens.

“There’s deer poop all over the yard and, of course, the dog wants to eat that,” she said.

Kesselring moved six years ago to a Lenexa home that is next to Shawnee Mission Park.

She was among 40 people who spoke Wednesday at a public hearing on the deer overpopulation at the park. The hearing, held at the Shawnee Civic Centre and attended by more than 100, was conducted by the Johnson County Park and Recreation Board.

The board is expected to decide in the next few weeks how to control a deer population at the park that virtually everyone at Wednesday’s hearing agreed was out of control.

Duane Schempp of Shawnee seemed to speak for many when he questioned why park and county officials had allowed the problem to become this serious. His message: Get the deer under control.

“Get the job done and get it done now,” he said.

Board members must decide between lethal or nonlethal methods, and people who testified at the hearing were divided on that question.

Several people urged the board to allow bow hunters to cull the herd.

R.J. Jubber of Eudora belonged to a group of bow hunters based in Olathe.

“It’s the most viable option in this situation,” he said. “It’s been used in many parts of the nation and it’s very safe. We want to see most of the deer killed in the park, but not all the deer.”

Others, however, urged control through nonlethal means such as trapping and relocating the deer or sterilizing them to inhibit reproduction.

Anita Coleman urged the board to avoid slaughtering the deer, adding that bow hunting was cruel.

“Injured deer could suffer for hours or days before dying,” she said.

Charles Lee, a wildlife specialist at Kansas State University, said many nonlethal methods can be very expensive. For example, he said fertility control can cost from $200 to $1,000 for each deer. It is estimated that more than 400 deer live in the park.

Other witnesses said they were concerned about the potential for disease carried by deer ticks. One woman said her daughter came out of an area of the park with her arms filled with ticks.

“We don’t have a deer problem, we have a disease problem,” said Tracy Thomas of Shawnee. She and other witnesses said deer ticks at the park are spreading Lyme disease.

http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1196224.html




Can't help but wonder that all that deer meat, once cleared free of disease, couldn't go to good use.

Also, I'm no bow hunting expert, but methinks that reason that lady gave for bow hunting being cruel doesn't know much about what she speaks.


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