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  posted on 5/12/2009 at 02:32 PM
I'm all for it under the right conditions, as long as it is hens and no loud and goofy roosters in the mix. One of my good friend's cousin is a lawyer who successfully represented an urban chicken case here in Cincinnati. Do you know your Buff Orpingtons from your Araucanas and Speckled Sussex???

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By JOE LAMBE
The Kansas City Star


Chickens could be coming to roost in a backyard near you.

Across the country and the metropolitan area, people are joining the national urban chicken movement, sometimes turning outlaw to raise the birds.

The movement started with the rationale that raising chickens fits in with efforts toward local and pure foods, supporters say, and the eggs are fresh and flavorful. The animals also are entertaining pets, many say.

Today, Overland Park homeowner David Crupper will seek a special-use permit to house up to four chickens, even though he already has the birds and a homemade coop in his backyard.

No disrespect for the law was intended, he said, but he had to buy the chicks before a farm supply business stopped selling them for the year. Crupper, 25, a financial adviser, is far from a hippie, he said, but he wants to get great eggs from “the girls.”

“It’s a nice little hobby people can get behind,” he said, and he thinks his neighbors will support him.

Crupper has mailed certified letters to all of the neighbors within 200 feet and has posted a sign in his front yard advising them of the Planning Commission meeting.

But precedent isn’t on Crupper’s side. Four years ago, another Overland Park family tried to get such a permit. By a vote of 7-5, the City Council wouldn’t allow it.

Opponents said then that chickens did not belong in Overland Park. Some said the birds were unsanitary.

Overland Park City Councilman Jim Hix, who voted against the chickens in 2005, said this week that he would probably do so again.

“Wanting eggs is not unique,” he said. “It’s not a good idea to have chickens in a suburban area under normal circumstances.”

In Mission, the City Council recently sent to committee a proposal to change its law to allow urban chickens. Jerritt Dayhoff requested the change because her family would like to raise five or six chickens. She is a former Jackson County public defender who grew up on a farm, she said.

“Chickens are a heck of a lot quieter and cleaner than dogs,” said Dayhoff, 33. They make interesting pets, she said, and “It’s nice to tell your kids your breakfast came from Myrtle or Madge.”

But Councilman John Weber, 77, said he has seen the city grow out of farmland and sees no reason to go back.

“If we’re going to be residential, we ought to be residential,” he said.

Some cities on board

In 2004, Madison, Wis., was among the first of several cities to change laws to allow limited numbers of chickens, but usually not crowing roosters. New York City has long allowed chickens. The birds live in urban areas in Chicago; Albuquerque, N.M.; Portland, Ore.; Seattle; and other cities.

Many Web sites and Backyard Poultry magazine support the effort, which they say is still growing in this country, Great Britain and Canada.

BackYardChickens.com has 30,000 members — up from 20,000 last December — and it grows by 100 members a day, said its owner, Rob Ludlow.

KT LaBadie, an Albuquerque graduate student who started urbanchickens.org, said people are tearing out lawns to grow vegetables, and chickens are a natural next step.

Some cities have changed their laws because so many people were keeping chickens illegally, she said.

Afoul of the law

In Kansas City, residents are allowed to have chickens only if they are 100 feet away from the nearest home or business, and the birds are not allowed to roam.

That hasn’t stopped two women in different Kansas City neighborhoods from raising chickens illegally, and they say they are doing it for the fresh eggs.

At one house, nine big chickens roam in a fenced backyard where a wooden chicken coop looks like a garden shed. The 28-year-old homeowner has given names to all nine of her chickens, and she has pictures of herself with each on her MySpace page. The hens produce about six or seven eggs a day, and she sells or trades any extra eggs to pay for feed.

In another Kansas City neighborhood, a 49-year-old woman raises just one chicken.

The hen, called simply Chicken, spends time in the garden this time of year, scratching up the soil and fertilizing it with its droppings. In winter, it lives in a coop in the basement. Chicken lays about five eggs a week.

Light enforcement

Both of the Kansas City women said their neighbors haven’t complained, and some are checking into getting chickens themselves.

So does that mean more chickens and lawbreaking are on the way?

Dave Marak, a supervisor with Kansas City animal control, said a crew recently took five illegal chickens to the animal shelter, something it does occasionally.

Few people retrieve chickens there because of a $25 pickup fee and $10 a day in expenses, he said, plus chicken owners could get fined.

The fine is up to $250, but judges generally don’t impose anywhere near that, and cases sometimes get dismissed, he said.

Animal control generally goes after chickens only when someone complains, he said.

“Usually if a complaint comes in, it’s because they’re letting them run loose or a new neighbor comes in,” he said.

Marak takes no position on the controversy other than to note that strong forces are in play.

“There’s nothing better than a fresh egg,” he said.


 

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  posted on 5/12/2009 at 02:38 PM
I live in Overland Park. That guy won't get his permit, now or ever.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2009 at 02:58 PM
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I live in Overland Park. That guy won't get his permit, now or ever.




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  posted on 5/12/2009 at 03:07 PM
We have a few urban chicken ranchers here in Victoria. AS above as long as no roosters Im all good with it.

Spent months working in Brazil next to two of the loudest motherf-ing roosters known to man. 4 am rooster wake up comes mighty fricken early if your getting to bed at 3:45. Used to rush home after bars "closed" to get some shut eye before the rooster symphony began.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2009 at 03:11 PM
Chicken raising goes on in Brooklyn sometimes in the Orthodox Jewish communities. However, I think its for different reasons than eating. I think there is a tradition or holiday where they take the chickens and swing them around over their heads. What the hell that does is beyond me. Kapparot I believe it is called.
 

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LOL - obviously you've never been to Johnson County, KS.

 

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  posted on 5/12/2009 at 06:03 PM
The lady across the street from me has a couple of chickens (she's also recently retired from animal control ) This doesn't bother me except when she lets them roam the neighborhood. Then screams at kids who chase them because they've never seen a chicken up close and personal and are surprised when they see one walking down the street. These birds also have a thing for digging in my flower beds and my neighbors ... maddening to work on your garden only to find that it's been ripped apart by a chicken. I don't have a problem with these creatures - just please keep them in your own yard (I wouldn't let my dog roam through your yard - keep your chickens out of mine please).

 

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This doesn't bother me except when she lets them roam the neighborhood. Then screams at kids who chase them because they've never seen a chicken up close and personal and are surprised when they see one walking down the street. These birds also have a thing for digging in my flower beds and my neighbors ... maddening to work on your garden only to find that it's been ripped apart by a chicken.


That means its free ranging, working for its food. Ask for some eggs.

 

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This doesn't bother me except when she lets them roam the neighborhood. Then screams at kids who chase them because they've never seen a chicken up close and personal and are surprised when they see one walking down the street. These birds also have a thing for digging in my flower beds and my neighbors ... maddening to work on your garden only to find that it's been ripped apart by a chicken.
That means its free ranging, working for its food. Ask for some eggs.
A couple of eggs are not even compensation for the damage these birds have caused and I can get fresh eggs at the farmer's market. I want the chickens to stay the he@@ out of my yard and stop tearing up the planting beds I spend time and money on (oh - and crapping on the patio). And I don't want to hear her yelling at and threatening kids who chase the chickens down the street - they are city kids and these are chickens walking around in the middle of a city street..the kids do not know correct etiquette for how to handle a chicken that is walking in front of their bicycle. Let them free range in her own yard and destroy her property - I would then have absolutely no problem with her 'inner-city' chickens.

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  posted on 5/12/2009 at 08:22 PM
Roswell, GA has had a little dustup re pet chickens, w/ their owner represented by former Gov Barnes (who may well run again in'10). I don't think the "pet" argument will fly. As a side note, The Cockfighter, a film about chicken fighting, was filmed in Roswell in 1974, so lots of fowl doings there!

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/northfulton/stories/2009/03/19/chick ens_roswell_barnes.html

 

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A couple of eggs are not even compensation for the damage these birds have caused and I can get fresh eggs at the farmer's market. I want the chickens to stay the he@@ out of my yard and stop tearing up the planting beds I spend time and money on (oh - and crapping on the patio). And I don't want to hear her yelling at and threatening kids who chase the chickens down the street - they are city kids and these are chickens walking around in the middle of a city street..the kids do not know correct etiquette for how to handle a chicken that is walking in front of their bicycle. Let them free range in her own yard and destroy her property - I would then have absolutely no problem with her 'inner-city' chickens.



Naw, I'm with you as far as keeping them in your own yard ina an urban or suburban setting. Plus, the city is no place to spin f*ck them either. You might want to keep that out in the country.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2009 at 03:52 AM
I don't want chickens in an urban or suburban enviroment, hell things are already starting to look to "third world" anyway, and you know if you have chickens you're going to have roosters. Besides would you REALLY want to buy a house next to someone raising a chickens? Just the thing that would further depress property values. Also, what about us people who own dogs? I know when my dog takes a poop, I have to clean it up. What about the "chicken people"? are they 24/7 going to cleaning up after their birds.
I kind of doubt it. And that's not even getting into "chicken poop" getting into the urban/suburban water supply, kind of curious about the sanitation issues behind that.
Truth be told there are to many problems trying to raise chickens in an urban/suburban enviroment. Best keep the chickens and the chicken coops out in country and for communties to sponsor more farmer markets and food co-op for purchasing locally raised products.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2009 at 07:56 AM
With the current direction of our economy, I'll suspend judgement!

"Third-world nation"? Could be where we're headed!

This story reminds me of a book that I read (non-fiction) called, "Wings of the Morning", by Orestes Lorenzo. Lorenzo is a former Cuban/Soviet Air Force pilot who defected in his Mig fighter. He returned to Cuba in a borrowed Cessna to retrieve his wife and kids - landing in a pot-hole riddled Havana street and taking off again with family in-tow.

In the book, Lorenzo describes how many Cubans actually raise pigs in their apartments. He describes a simple "operation" (known by most Cubans) to remove the animal's vocal cords so that they can't squeal.

I know it sounds pretty drastic ... but ya gotta have bacon with them eggs!

 

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It's such a beautiful day, I'll have mine sunny side up! Eggs! Eggs! Eggs!

Reminds me of the time the lady tried to get on the bus with a live chicken. Driver told her no live animals on the bus. Lady wrung the chicken's neck and paid her fare and took her seat.

 

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After reading the thread title I figured this had something to do with a Seinfeld episode

 

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It's such a beautiful day, I'll have mine sunny side up! Eggs! Eggs! Eggs!

Reminds me of the time the lady tried to get on the bus with a live chicken. Driver told her no live animals on the bus. Lady wrung the chicken's neck and paid her fare and took her seat.


Heard a similar story involving Keith Moon and a restaurant with a sign that read, "no jeans allowed".

 

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I live in Overland Park. That guy won't get his permit, now or ever.




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LOL - obviously you've never been to Johnson County, KS.


Hey you guys got a Wal Mart with a 3 time huffer and the best garage sales.

JOCO was labeled as a recession proof county at one time. How are things up there i JOCO ?







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I use to have a few peacocks but they had several acres to fly around
id go with ducks before i would chickens

 

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  posted on 5/14/2009 at 08:24 AM
More important JOCO news

http://www.kansascity.com/679/story/1196109.html

To kill or not to kill? Residents sound off about deer at Shawnee Mission Park
Recently, she looked out her back window and saw 13 deer grazing in her backyard.

They’ve destroyed plants and shrubbery and are even eating her evergreens.

“There’s deer poop all over the yard and, of course, the dog wants to eat that,” said Kesselring, who was among 40 people who spoke tonight at a public hearing on the deer overpopulation at the park.

The hearing, held at the Shawnee Civic Centre and attended by more than 100, was conducted by the Johnson County Park and Recreation Board.

The board is expected to decide in the next few weeks how to control the park’s deer population, which virtually everyone at the hearing agreed was out of control.

Duane Schempp of Shawnee seemed to speak for many when he questioned why park and county officials had allowed the problem to become this serious. His message: Get the deer under control.

“Get the job done and get it done now,” he said.

Board members must decide between lethal or non-lethal methods, and people who testified at the hearing were divided on that question.

Several people urged the board to allow bow hunters to cull the herd.

R. J. Jubber of Eudora belonged to a group of bow hunters headquartered in Olathe.

“It’s the most viable option in this situation,” he said. “It’s been used in many parts of the nation and it’s very safe. We want to see most of the deer killed in the park but not all the deer.”

Others, however, urged control through non-lethal means such as trapping and relocating the deer or sterilizing them to inhibit reproduction.

Anita Coleman urged the board to avoid slaughtering the deer, adding that bow hunting was cruel.

“Injured deer could suffer for hours or days before dying,” she said.

Charles Lee, a wildlife specialist at Kansas State University, said many non-lethal methods can be very expensive. For example, he said fertility control can cost from $200 to $1,000 for each deer. It is estimated that more than 400 deer live in the park.

Other witnesses said they were concerned about the potential for disease carried by deer ticks. One woman said her daughter came out of an area of the park with her arms filled with ticks.

“We don’t have a deer problem, we have a disease problem,” said Tracy Thomas of Shawnee. She and other witnesses said deer ticks at the park are spreading Lyme disease, which can become a major health problem for anyone infected.

When they start leaving too much deer poop and hoof divets on the putting greens...they'll be serving deer pate at the country club.



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  posted on 5/14/2009 at 08:31 AM
To me, deer are just rats with better PR. Deer populations are way out of control in many areas accross the country, and the reason for that is that deer are very adaptable creatures and do quite well in a suburban and even urban enviroment. A little park land with a mixture of woods and open areas, and deer are "happy campers". As for control, the bow-hunting method seems to work best.

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I live in Overland Park. That guy won't get his permit, now or ever.




Elitist!


LOL - obviously you've never been to Johnson County, KS.


Hey you guys got a Wal Mart with a 3 time huffer and the best garage sales.

JOCO was labeled as a recession proof county at one time. How are things up there i JOCO ?



Humming right along. More FSBOs than ever, housing prices have slipped a bit, but take a shopping trip to 119th & Metcalf or anywhere on 135th on a weekend and you'll be going, what recession?

 

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I live in Overland Park. That guy won't get his permit, now or ever.




Elitist!


LOL - obviously you've never been to Johnson County, KS.


Hey you guys got a Wal Mart with a 3 time huffer and the best garage sales.

JOCO was labeled as a recession proof county at one time. How are things up there i JOCO ?



Humming right along. More FSBOs than ever, housing prices have slipped a bit, but take a shopping trip to 119th & Metcalf or anywhere on 135th on a weekend and you'll be going, what recession?


Still the same after all those years..only less deer roaming area.

 

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No chickens in our fair city...

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Overland Park council says no to backyard chickens

Backyard chickens are not welcome in Overland Park.

The City Council voted unanimously Monday night to deny a one-year test permit to allow brothers David and Bill Crupper to keep their four hens at 7615 W. 95th Terrace.

The brothers say they are part of a national urban chicken movement. Opponents say Overland Park is no place for chickens and the unsanitary birds could lower property values.

http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1228587.html



 

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  posted on 6/2/2009 at 10:32 AM
You know, I had no idea what their address was. That's like 5 minutes from my house.

 

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