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  posted on 4/29/2009 at 06:24 PM
Can you be not in favor of a war but still support the troops?

 

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  posted on 4/29/2009 at 06:51 PM
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Can you be not in favor of a war but still support the troops?


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  posted on 4/29/2009 at 07:06 PM
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Can you be not in favor of a war but still support the troops?


Absolutely.


Times two.

 

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  posted on 4/29/2009 at 07:08 PM
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Can you be not in favor of a war but still support the troops?


Absolutely.


Times two.


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  posted on 4/29/2009 at 07:33 PM
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  posted on 4/29/2009 at 08:43 PM
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Can you be not in favor of a war but still support the troops?



IPowrie,

Of course, you can. I'm a veteran myself (U.S. Navy 74-78) and was raised an Army Brat, so I'm definely "pro-military" in the sense that I feel that veterans and people in the military (active or reserves) should be treated right as you will find a no more dedicated group of people that love ther country and would do anything to protect America and her freedoms and ideals. Sounds corny, but you know there something great that there are still people that think that way. Nevertheless, there is a part of me that's always been "anti-war", perhaps that's because I know the price that the people who serve and their families have to pay, and I do feel that many in power do not know or really feel the sacrifices these people make. Bottom line here, as long you respect the service of those in the military, and understand the obligation that America owes these people for their service, then it's alright to embrace an "anti-war" position, because basically what you're saying is let's make sure that if were sending our military in "harm's way" that we're truly doing it for a "just and noble cause".



 

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  posted on 4/29/2009 at 08:50 PM
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  posted on 4/29/2009 at 10:20 PM
The best way to support them in a 'war of choice' is to explain the facts to them. Maybe they will decide not to go. That going to jail, if they have to, is more moral than killing innocent people. If they knew they were fighting for the oil companies and the military industrial complex, not their country or the freedom of the people they are killing I think most would decide not to participate. Then, maybe there wouldn't be any more wars for profit.
 

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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 12:08 AM
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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 12:30 AM
Infinitesmially

 

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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 04:55 AM
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The best way to support them in a 'war of choice' is to explain the facts to them. Maybe they will decide not to go. That going to jail, if they have to, is more moral than killing innocent people. If they knew they were fighting for the oil companies and the military industrial complex, not their country or the freedom of the people they are killing I think most would decide not to participate. Then, maybe there wouldn't be any more wars for profit.


lespaul58,

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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 05:41 AM
Cher – Supporting the Troops
Richard Gardner | Friday, June 30, 2006

This almost goes in the Gone Hollywood section, but Cher is doing a class act in gathering attention to the troops, while still opposing the concept of the war in Iraq. She is putting her money (over $130K) and celeb status behind an effort to improve soldiers’ helmets.

Cher, who opposes the war in Iraq but supports the troops, says using her celebrity to promote effective helmets for U.S. soldiers is rewarding — and “the right thing to do.”

“To be able to use your celebrity for something that you really think is worthwhile is so rewarding,” the 60-year-old singer-actress says in an interview that aired Wednesday night on CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360.” “It just makes you feel like this is the right thing to do. This is the American thing to do,” she tells Cooper. Excerpts of the interview were released in advance.

Cher says it makes her angry “when people say that if you’re not for the war, you don’t support the troops. And I’m not for the war. And I really support the troops.”

It turns out she called in to CSPAN over Memorial Day Weekend, shocking the host once he recognized the “Malibu, California” voice

“Hello? This is Malibu, Calif., I’m going to try to be really calm while I’m talking about this. … ” Cher told Scully.

“Is this Cher?” he asked, after recognizing her world-famous voice.

“Yeah,” she said. “I know that I am an entertainer and from Hollywood and should have no conscience, but I am an American and I just cannot bear these people for another moment.”

The cost of a helmet upgrade is $71.

Operation Helmet They are making helmet liners that absorb more shock, potentially saving lives. The Army has decided to install these liners in all helmets, the Marines are still studying the issue.

Indeed Cher has made some strong anti-Bush/anti-war statements in the past, but she is showing actual support for the troops, rather than just saying so like so many others have (I would put Al Franken in the same category after his USO tours that were not just PR campaigns; I may disagree with his politics, but I respect him).

 

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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 08:48 AM
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Pretty cool of her to do that, but one wonders why she didn't do this when Bush was in office.


She was too busy trying to get a good seat at the Beacon.

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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 08:52 AM
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Pretty cool of her to do that, but one wonders why she didn't do this when Bush was in office.


Check the date on the article. Friday, June 30, 2006

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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 09:22 AM
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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 10:12 AM
yes.

like cher, it irks me when folks accuse those opposed to war as not supporting the troops.


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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 10:18 AM
What does that mean "Support the troops"? It's a given that whether you support a military action or not, you pray/hope for as few casualties and as speedy a return as possible.

But once you establish that, if you are against a war, then how do you split the hair? How do you hope the US has success at something you don't want them doing in the first place? If you think it's morally wrong for us to be in Iraq, then don't you also think it's morally wrong for us to succeed?

If you're anti-war, and think your position is so blatantly obvious that everyone should feel the same way, then how do you not criticize those that participate. If you're not willing to accept the "following orders" defense for war crimes, torture etc., then why accept it for engaging in battle?

I have a deep respect for our troops, and wish every damn one of them was home right now. Every casualty is unnecessary and this mess in Iraq should be over TODAY. But I do struggle with this grey area in between.

Great question Ipowrie......

 

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  posted on 4/30/2009 at 11:58 AM
I vote with the majority. I grew up on Navy bases, and my son served in Kosovo. My ancestors fought in every war this country has fought, with several fighting in the Revolution.

War is a barbaric enterprise that profits some and devastates others. Someday war will be something you read about in history books, in wonder. But not in my lifetime, I'm afraid.

 

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  posted on 5/2/2009 at 09:14 AM
The troops are just following orders ,doing their jobs it is not about belief for them but we on the outside can surley not believe in the war but support those that give without question to protect this country...

 

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  posted on 5/2/2009 at 10:21 AM
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Can you be not in favor of a war but still support the troops?


Great Question and my answer would be YES!


 

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  posted on 5/5/2009 at 06:52 PM

Normally I would say sure you can support the men because they are forced to be there, but after what has gone on in our wars in the last 8 years, I think it is harder to separate the actions the men take while they are there doing war from the men themselves. The best thing is for us to not be at war. How can we have an impact?

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