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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:02 PM
One thing I've noticed about the set-lists this year is the decided lack of non-Dead material. Last time out Warren Haynes had them playing everything from Traffic to U2 to Pink Floyd to Byrds to Metallica songs which, personally, I found fascinating as the original Grateful Dead was little more than a cover band themselves. Not so this trip. If it's a not a Garcia/Hunter or Weir/Barlow song then it's still from the original Grateful Dead canon (i.e. Promised Land, Mama Tried, Smokestack, Me & Bobby McGee et al) heard last night. Could it be they're playing it TOO safe?

The Dead :: 04.21.09 :: HSBC Arena :: Buffalo, NY

The Dead (Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Warren Haynes and Jeff Chimenti) played the seventh show of their Spring Tour last night (Tuesday April 21, 2009) at the HSBC Arena in Buffalo, NY.

Set I: The Promised Land, They Love Each Other, Mama Tried, Loser, Smokestack Lightnin' > Stella Blue > It's All Over Now, Baby Blue, Big River

Set II: Jam > Playing In The Band > Me & Bobby McGee, Loose Lucy, Ramble On Rose > Drums > Space > Maggie's Farm > Eyes of The World > Playing In The Band (reprise)

Encore: Truckin'

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:12 PM
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Last time out Warren Haynes had them playing everything from Traffic to U2 to Pink Floyd to Byrds to Metallica songs which, personally, I found fascinating as the original Grateful Dead was little more than a cover band themselves.
??? Warren Haynes was in control of the Dead's choice of setlists last time around??? Interesting concept. Who was responsible for them playing cover tunes by some of these same bands before Warren - like when Jerry was alive?

[Edited on 4/22/2009 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:14 PM
In Albany Warren did sing "Into the Mystic" the Van Morrison tune.

The one thing that bugged me about the Dead show is that the entire front line (Weir, Lesh & Warren) have music stands. Even when Warren was in Phil & Friends, they relied on sheet music (or is it a teleprompter??). Either way, this is the only band I've seen that uses music stands onstage.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:16 PM
i believe i've seen Phil & Friends many times & the shows in more recent years have had more music stands in use...aging,i guess...
 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:36 PM
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Last time out Warren Haynes had them playing everything from Traffic to U2 to Pink Floyd to Byrds to Metallica songs which, personally, I found fascinating as the original Grateful Dead was little more than a cover band themselves.


??? Warren Haynes was in control of the Dead's choice of setlists last time around??? Interesting concept. Who was responsible for them playing cover tunes by some of these same bands before Warren - like when Jerry was alive?

[Edited on 4/22/2009 by lolasdeb]


The Grateful Dead DIDN'T perform songs by these bands except for 'Dear Mr. Fantasy' for a brief time in the late eighties (Warren had them doing 'Low Spark'"). Warren is a human jukebox and essentially the defacto musical director of any band he's in. That, and his vast guitar prowess, is what keeps the Allmans and Phils of the world coming back to him. I'm not saying he picked the setlists in 2005 but no one else brought those songs to the party.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 04:00 PM
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Last time out Warren Haynes had them playing everything from Traffic to U2 to Pink Floyd to Byrds to Metallica songs which, personally, I found fascinating as the original Grateful Dead was little more than a cover band themselves.


??? Warren Haynes was in control of the Dead's choice of setlists last time around??? Interesting concept. Who was responsible for them playing cover tunes by some of these same bands before Warren - like when Jerry was alive?

[Edited on 4/22/2009 by lolasdeb]


The Grateful Dead DIDN'T perform songs by these bands except for 'Dear Mr. Fantasy' for a brief time in the late eighties (Warren had them doing 'Low Spark'"). Warren is a human jukebox and essentially the defacto musical director of any band he's in. That, and his vast guitar prowess, is what keeps the Allmans and Phils of the world coming back to him. I'm not saying he picked the setlists in 2005 but no one else brought those songs to the party.


The Grateful Dead did TONS of covers, especially toward the end of their career. Maybe not those specific bands but lots of them regardless. I do think Warren had a huge part in the covers when he was in the band though

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 04:04 PM
IMO,They're damned lucky to have Warren w/them on this tour.........period.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 04:19 PM
I am thrilled they are playing Grateful Dead material. Absolutely thrilled.

Where can I hear the GD originals live right now today? Why with the Dead I can.

Excellent, Excellent set lists is all I have to say. So far they repeated only 5 songs. Can't go wrong with that.

Last night's set list is one I can't wait to hear. Just gotta say I can't criticize the Dead's set lists AT ALL.

Also, Warren is singing many of the songs with Bob and Phil and he is not missing in the sets at all from all reports and from what I have personally heard. I think they are doing an excellent job and while some of the jamming has been rough they are moving forward and gelling. Also Warren is singing a lot of songs solo too.

Warren is the lead guitarist for the band and he and Jeff seem to be sounding real good with all the flairs and paisleys. Bob is an excellent rhythm guitarist too. I really love what they are all doing, even the drum sections. It is only the jamming that needs to be tightened.

I like this band and hope they do more tours in the future. Of course in smaller venues. I can't stand the big ones. Not my thing. But all in all, when push comes to shove, if you want to hear the GD music, they are the only live game in town, imho.


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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 04:24 PM
The 1st time around Warren wasn't as familiar with playing all the Dead tunes, so they had more Warren choices in the setlist. After 5 years to learn more they need less of the other covers. I would be happy with it either way, hope they make a swing through charlotte and atlanta this fall... As long as I get the Mickey, Billy, Bobby and Phil I don't care who is the hired guitar slinger. I miss Jerry!

As far as the telepromters the Dead have used them since the early to mid 90's for sure. I have seen several bands use them Dolly has a projector that plays out on a screen that probally 96".

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IMO,They're damned lucky to have Warren w/them on this tour.........period.


The six figure paycheck has nothing to do w/ luck, lol.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 04:26 PM
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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 04:50 PM
I don't think Warren is picking setlists for the Dead.

Didn't you all read the article where Warren talked about learning how to make a set list
tell a Story FROM PHIL LESH, when he was in Phil and Friends.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:27 PM
I have to agree that Warren in his current role makes the Dead "The Dead", comparing 04 with now, is apples and oranges IMO. In 04, the shows were good but not as cohesive as a dead experience, whether that's due to currently sticking to dead format or less in fighting between the remaining 4 I can't say. I saw Greensboro on Easter, and last nite in Buffalo, in a week, the band is tighter, last night was as close to a Jerry dead show as I've seen since my last in 95. A tight eight song first set, with minimal jamming. Half hour break and an amazing performance for the next 2+ hours. Warren did what he was asked to do, kinda Jimmy Herring with soul (and vocal contribution). (I love Jimmy but in the 03 and 04 Dead he was kinda one dimensional) Warren brings fiery leads, interplay with Chimenti ,dueling with Bobby at times as well as some lead and much needed harmony vocals , that I haven't heard since Brent Mydland died. . At no time did he steal the spotlight but he drove the band, seeming to push them further and further. His energy and exhuberance for music (any type of music) and melody were incredible. By 11:45pm I was drained, still am...not a lotta sleep. The current incarnation is not everyone's cup of tea, we'll never have the good ol grateful dead back but for my money the 2009 model is as good as it's been in years. If anyone has a chance to see them this spring...go...I don't think you'll be sorry.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:46 PM
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I don't think Warren is picking setlists for the Dead.

Didn't you all read the article where Warren talked about learning how to make a set list
tell a Story FROM PHIL LESH, when he was in Phil and Friends.




Billy K said in a radio interview recently that they're alternating who writes the setlist...I'm not sure if that includes Warren and Chimenti or just the Core 4 guys.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 06:09 PM
Huh, I always thought the Dead made it up on the fly, no setlists.

Not surprised about the music stands. They had tele-prompters for Jerry the last year or so, even though he pretty much ignored them. Weir's been blowing the lyrics to his own songs for decades. Not to mention the sheer # of songs they play. It's probably a good thing.

 

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The 1st time around Warren wasn't as familiar with playing all the Dead tunes, so they had more Warren choices in the setlist. After 5 years to learn more they need less of the other covers. I would be happy with it either way, hope they make a swing through charlotte and atlanta this fall... As long as I get the Mickey, Billy, Bobby and Phil I don't care who is the hired guitar slinger. I miss Jerry!

As far as the telepromters the Dead have used them since the early to mid 90's for sure. I have seen several bands use them Dolly has a projector that plays out on a screen that probally 96".

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IMO,They're damned lucky to have Warren w/them on this tour.........period.


The six figure paycheck has nothing to do w/ luck, lol.



OK,if you want to look at it that way...then i'll say...they spent their money wisely.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 06:20 PM
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Huh, I always thought the Dead made it up on the fly, no setlists.



Supposedly the GRATEFUL DEAD did make it up on the fly except for the first song in each set. That was established and off they'd go from there. I was told this by a lady who was an intermittent 'friend' of Weir. As long as they are playing every five years, with little communication in between, and with sidemen, one would assume a set-list would be prepared in advance. Whatever they do, I'm looking forward to the shows I've got planned like a nine year old looks forward to Halloween.

 

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Last time out Warren Haynes had them playing everything from Traffic to U2 to Pink Floyd to Byrds to Metallica songs which, personally, I found fascinating as the original Grateful Dead was little more than a cover band themselves.


??? Warren Haynes was in control of the Dead's choice of setlists last time around??? Interesting concept. Who was responsible for them playing cover tunes by some of these same bands before Warren - like when Jerry was alive?

[Edited on 4/22/2009 by lolasdeb]


The Grateful Dead DIDN'T perform songs by these bands except for 'Dear Mr. Fantasy' for a brief time in the late eighties (Warren had them doing 'Low Spark'"). Warren is a human jukebox and essentially the defacto musical director of any band he's in. That, and his vast guitar prowess, is what keeps the Allmans and Phils of the world coming back to him. I'm not saying he picked the setlists in 2005 but no one else brought those songs to the party.


The Grateful Dead did TONS of covers, especially toward the end of their career. Maybe not those specific bands but lots of them regardless. I do think Warren had a huge part in the covers when he was in the band though


Every Grateful Dead show was roughly 25% covers going back to the beginning. My point is the only covers they are doing this tour are those associated with the original Grateful Dead NOT the adventurous stuff Warren had them doing in 2005

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 09:11 PM
Photos of the Dead by Jay Blakesberg on Jambase

Greensboro NC
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Washington DC
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Charlottesville VA
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Albany NY
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Worcester MA 18th
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Worcester MA 19th
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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 09:36 PM
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Warren is a human jukebox and essentially the defacto musical director of any band he's in.

I'm sorry, but the old Dead guys are not relying on Warren to be their musical director. There's no way. He has 15 to 20 years of history with the Allmans, and that's not how it is with the Dead.

 

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Warren is a human jukebox and essentially the defacto musical director of any band he's in.

I'm sorry, but the old Dead guys are not relying on Warren to be their musical director. There's no way. He has 15 to 20 years of history with the Allmans, and that's not how it is with the Dead.


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  posted on 4/23/2009 at 01:33 AM
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i believe i've seen Phil & Friends many times & the shows in more recent years have had more music stands in use...aging,i guess...


Let us not forget to mention the keyboard playing Brother who has broken out the Ben Franklin specs while trying not to shred Dixie. And like Weir, the lyrics sheets don't seem to help much. Gettin old sucks.

 

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One thing I've noticed about the set-lists this year is the decided lack of non-Dead material. Last time out Warren Haynes had them playing everything from Traffic to U2 to Pink Floyd to Byrds to Metallica songs which, personally, I found fascinating as the original Grateful Dead was little more than a cover band themselves. Not so this trip. If it's a not a Garcia/Hunter or Weir/Barlow song then it's still from the original Grateful Dead canon (i.e. Promised Land, Mama Tried, Smokestack, Me & Bobby McGee et al) heard last night. Could it be they're playing it TOO safe?

The Dead :: 04.21.09 :: HSBC Arena :: Buffalo, NY

The Dead (Phil Lesh, Bob Weir, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzmann, Warren Haynes and Jeff Chimenti) played the seventh show of their Spring Tour last night (Tuesday April 21, 2009) at the HSBC Arena in Buffalo, NY.

Set I: The Promised Land, They Love Each Other, Mama Tried, Loser, Smokestack Lightnin' > Stella Blue > It's All Over Now, Baby Blue, Big River

Set II: Jam > Playing In The Band > Me & Bobby McGee, Loose Lucy, Ramble On Rose > Drums > Space > Maggie's Farm > Eyes of The World > Playing In The Band (reprise)

Encore: Truckin'




To answer you question "Could it be they're playing it TOO safe?"...NO. What you described above is why I part of why I liked the '03 Dead better than the '04 Dead. I never really thought Warren was "Dead" (whatever that means) Jimmys playing and Joans strong female voice brought back memories of the mid 70's GD. And no oddball covers. I have been digging the 09 shows for the more traditional GD tuneage, including the ollld covers that they made there own long ago.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2009 at 01:52 AM
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i believe i've seen Phil & Friends many times & the shows in more recent years have had more music stands in use...aging,i guess...


Let us not forget to mention the keyboard playing Brother who has broken out the Ben Franklin specs while trying not to shred Dixie. And like Weir, the lyrics sheets don't seem to help much. Gettin old sucks.


Point well taken, I don't think I've ever heard a clean version of Dixie. Probably my least favorite cover.

As far as the glasses go, I've been wearing them since I was three years old. I envy everyone who get's to Gregg's age w/out needing them.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2009 at 05:17 AM
Warren carried the band IMHO!

Jay Blakesberg did I nice job with all the pictures!

 

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  posted on 4/23/2009 at 08:42 AM
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What he said!!!!!

 

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