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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 07:07 AM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04222009/gossip/pagesix/he_betts_on_duane_16554 5.htm
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DICKEY Betts -- the legendary guitarist who had a bitter divorce from the Allman Brothers Band in 2000 -- didn't like what the band's drummer, Butch Trucks, said recently about the late Duane Allman. Trucks told Relix magazine that Allman reacted badly when he saw Led Zeppelin for the first time with Robert Plant prancing about the stage in velvet pants. "We were all looking at each other, [like] 'What the [bleep] is this?' . . . Duane got up and said, 'I'm either going to go up there and kick the [bleep] out of that guy or we're leaving.' And we all got up and left. It just infuriated Duane. He was so let down by one of his gods." But Betts tells Page Six, "I know Duane didn't feel that way and never said that. We loved [Jimmy] Page and those guys. It's ludicrous. And it's not fair to Duane Allman, who has passed away and can't speak for himself. He had his velvet pants himself." Betts -- who's touring this summer with his band, Great Southern -- said he called us because he doesn't want the world to think Duane was "narrow-minded and edgy . . . I wanted to stand up for my brother."


 
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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 07:19 AM
nuff said for me.... although that is exactly what I was thinking anyway...

Yup.. Duane , Dickey and Berry.... the true Brothers, the only Brothers... they had a pac between themselves and we were sorta invited in.... After Duane and Berry passed.. Dickey tried as hell to keep it going... as of this article ..He still is.. Thanks Dickey... and Thanks to BudManExpress for posting and sharing.... Dickey Betts , a man of few words.. but just like his songwriting.... powerful.....


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"If one guy is down, everyone else tries to carry him, not run him into the stage. "

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 07:36 AM
Thanks Budman, I thought it was rediculous, blown out of proportion tabloid fodder. Duane's not around to set the record straight. And thanks to Dickey too for speaking up!

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 09:41 AM
I will buy all of that.
I think at times Butch likes to hear himself talk.

[Edited on 4/22/2009 by jszfunk]

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 10:46 AM
I'm not sure why one guy's version is more believable than the other - they're both talking about something that happened 40 years ago. For whatever it's worth, Butch has told this story a couple of times and in earlier versions I thought the "problem" was Page playing the guitar with a violin bow. I'm not sure I'd trust either of their memories. And whichever version is more accurate, neither of them was trying to say anything bad about Duane.

As far as Duane Allman not being "edgy," didn't he once say this?

"One thing I can say about our band is this. If you got something good to lay on us, enlighten us, but if you got something bad to lay on us, you can get your teeth knocked clean down your throat man. Dangerous people. Lovely people."

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:07 PM
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nuff said for me.... although that is exactly what I was thinking anyway...

Yup.. Duane , Dickey and Berry.... the true Brothers, the only Brothers... they had a pac between themselves and we were sorta invited in.... After Duane and Berry passed.. Dickey tried as hell to keep it going... as of this article ..He still is.. Thanks Dickey... and Thanks to BudManExpress for posting and sharing.... Dickey Betts , a man of few words.. but just like his songwriting.... powerful.....


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And he said...

"If one guy is down, everyone else tries to carry him, not run him into the stage. "

-- Dickey Betts





Funny how you automatically take Dickey's word. Were you there Rainy????? I guess Butch is automatically the one lying.

You say that Dickey did everything to keep the band together, yet back in 2000 when he was let go he was given the choice to clean up his act to keep the band together and he refused. All he had to do was alter his nasty attitude and he could have and would have been back after one summer tour. I guess the ABB meant that much to him.

You're other comment about Duane, Berry, and Dickey being the only true brothers is also a crock of du du and is a total slap in the face to Butch, Jaimoe, and Gregg who are still ripping it up and carrying on the great legacy of Duane Allman and the Allman Brothers band. Your small minority of Dickey never did and never will do anything wrong crowd aren't ever gonna change anyone else's mind so why keep baiting us into these arguments here.

But I forgot, Gregg, Jaimoe, Butch and everyone else in the ABB should have just accepted Dickey regardless of how he acted and treated his bandmates because he is Dickey Betts.

Ask Dangerous Dan about working and touring with Dickey. I guess he is wrong too.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:35 PM
Well were you there sixty8? Please tell us all of what happened with Dangerous Dan. Funny how YOU always take other peoples word or some crap that you read in a guitar magazine. I don't know what happened, but I do know that there are two sides to every story. Nobody had ever said that Dickey is friggin' perfect. Nobody has ever said that he in NOT responsible for things that have happened in all of his relationships during his life. All I am saying is that there is two sides to every story. You wonder why people attempt to take up for Dickey? Because of people like you who like to throw his a*s under the bus every chance you get. You wonder why the sh*t never ends? Because of people like you who jump his a*s every chance you get. I'm asking you, not Dangerous Dan. You act like your in the friggin' loop or something. I'll ask Dangerous Dan if I ever see him, but I'd like you to tell me all about it, since you seem to know so much. Please tell me about his nasty attitude since you were there and know everything that went down over the past 40 yrs.. Oh, that's right. You weren't there and you are taking somebody else's word for it just like your accusing Rainy of doing.
 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 03:53 PM
Listen dude, all I do is take the common sense approach. Since I don't believe that the majority of the band, all of the other original members would just throw Dickey out of the band for zero reason doesn't put me in any loop. I don't need to be in the loop. As far as Dangerous Dan, all I have to go on is what I have seen and heard here and it seems to be the consensus that it was a bitter split. I wouldn't even have to take sides if the Dickey does no wrong defenders would stop starting these stupid lets bait everyone into an argument threads. Why not post this mindless drivel over at the Dickey Betts website???

I want all Dickey defenders to answer me this. If it wasn't his drinking or his nasty attitude and bossiness towards his bandmates, why did they fire him????? ARE YOU SAYING THEY FIRED HIM ON A WHIM OR JUST BECAUSE????? Or are you saying that they should have to work with him no matter what he does or how he treats them just because he is the great Dickey Betts??????

 

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Listen dude, all I do is take the common sense approach. Since I don't believe that the majority of the band, all of the other original members would just throw Dickey out of the band for zero reason doesn't put me in any loop. I don't need to be in the loop. As far as Dangerous Dan, all I have to go on is what I have seen and heard here and it seems to be the consensus that it was a bitter split. I wouldn't even have to take sides if the Dickey does no wrong defenders would stop starting these stupid lets bait everyone into an argument threads. Why not post this mindless drivel over at the Dickey Betts website???

I want all Dickey defenders to answer me this. If it wasn't his drinking or his nasty attitude and bossiness towards his bandmates, why did they fire him????? ARE YOU SAYING THEY FIRED HIM ON A WHIM OR JUST BECAUSE????? Or are you saying that they should have to work with him no matter what he does or how he treats them just because he is the great Dickey Betts??????


You're kind of lost here mate. Butch posted on moogis and also stated in an interview Dickey wasn't fired. They wanted him in rehab and he sued them instead. They did want him to quit drinking. He refused and so he is no longer in the band.

No idea about Dangerous Dan. I did read his post when it came out. But he pulled it. You do have to remember that neither Dan nor Frankie was invited to the Beacon and so it is more than Dickey who has had a falling out with him.

You do realize that the majority of arguments on this site have nothing to do with Dickey Betts. Your reaction is a bit hysterical if you consider this.

As far as I'm concerned people should post about Dickey here. They do play his songs. Why shouldn't people talk about what the band plays? Doesn't make any sense does it?

 

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As far as Duane Allman not being "edgy," didn't he once say this?

"One thing I can say about our band is this. If you got something good to lay on us, enlighten us, but if you got something bad to lay on us, you can get your teeth knocked clean down your throat man. Dangerous people. Lovely people."[Edited on 4/22/2009 by Marley]
He did, but in the middle of a very surreal interview. He was having a lot of fun with the interviewer (and a few who called in). And I don't think he could have walked a straight line at the time

If anyone wants I can do a B&P. Then you too can "take off your underpants and listen to Uncle Duane tell like it T I Z."

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Listen dude, all I do is take the common sense approach. Since I don't believe that the majority of the band, all of the other original members would just throw Dickey out of the band for zero reason doesn't put me in any loop. I don't need to be in the loop. As far as Dangerous Dan, all I have to go on is what I have seen and heard here and it seems to be the consensus that it was a bitter split. I wouldn't even have to take sides if the Dickey does no wrong defenders would stop starting these stupid lets bait everyone into an argument threads. Why not post this mindless drivel over at the Dickey Betts website???

I want all Dickey defenders to answer me this. If it wasn't his drinking or his nasty attitude and bossiness towards his bandmates, why did they fire him????? ARE YOU SAYING THEY FIRED HIM ON A WHIM OR JUST BECAUSE????? Or are you saying that they should have to work with him no matter what he does or how he treats them just because he is the great Dickey Betts??????


You're kind of lost here mate. Butch posted on moogis and also stated in an interview Dickey wasn't fired. They wanted him in rehab and he sued them instead. They did want him to quit drinking. He refused and so he is no longer in the band.

No idea about Dangerous Dan. I did read his post when it came out. But he pulled it. You do have to remember that neither Dan nor Frankie was invited to the Beacon and so it is more than Dickey who has had a falling out with him.

You do realize that the majority of arguments on this site have nothing to do with Dickey Betts. Your reaction is a bit hysterical if you consider this.

As far as I'm concerned people should post about Dickey here. They do play his songs. Why shouldn't people talk about what the band plays? Doesn't make any sense does it?



I enjoyed your very reasonable and thought out post....

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:29 PM
Two sides to every story and it will never end
I also think butch likes to see his words in print.It is great fodder for all of us.

[Edited on 4/22/2009 by Dan]

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:33 PM
[QUOTE] They did want him to quit drinking. He refused and so he is no longer in the band.[QUOTE]

And how is this different than firing him???

 

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Listen dude, all I do is take the common sense approach. Since I don't believe that the majority of the band, all of the other original members would just throw Dickey out of the band for zero reason doesn't put me in any loop. I don't need to be in the loop. As far as Dangerous Dan, all I have to go on is what I have seen and heard here and it seems to be the consensus that it was a bitter split. I wouldn't even have to take sides if the Dickey does no wrong defenders would stop starting these stupid lets bait everyone into an argument threads. Why not post this mindless drivel over at the Dickey Betts website???

I want all Dickey defenders to answer me this. If it wasn't his drinking or his nasty attitude and bossiness towards his bandmates, why did they fire him????? ARE YOU SAYING THEY FIRED HIM ON A WHIM OR JUST BECAUSE????? Or are you saying that they should have to work with him no matter what he does or how he treats them just because he is the great Dickey Betts??????


You're kind of lost here mate. Butch posted on moogis and also stated in an interview Dickey wasn't fired. They wanted him in rehab and he sued them instead. They did want him to quit drinking. He refused and so he is no longer in the band.

No idea about Dangerous Dan. I did read his post when it came out. But he pulled it. You do have to remember that neither Dan nor Frankie was invited to the Beacon and so it is more than Dickey who has had a falling out with him.

You do realize that the majority of arguments on this site have nothing to do with Dickey Betts. Your reaction is a bit hysterical if you consider this.

As far as I'm concerned people should post about Dickey here. They do play his songs. Why shouldn't people talk about what the band plays? Doesn't make any sense does it?


Except that the posts are rarely about his music and always posted in a way to stir up the $hit. If you don't see that you are not paying attention. I have stated many, many times how much I love Dickey's music and his contributions to the music world. It is only when the Dickey does no wrong crowd post negative comments about the other members or refuse to admit any of Dickey's blame that get me involved in these negative threads.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:43 PM
I'm gonna go with Dickey on this one...Butch Trucks has said nasty things in the past like Billy and Garcia were the only talented ones in the Dead and the ABB blew them off the stage. Get off your high horse Butch. I'm aware no one is perfect but there's no need to go around insulting your peers whether you enjoy them or not.

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:49 PM
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Two sides to every story and it will never end
I also think butch likes to see his words in print.It is great fodder for all of us.

[Edited on 4/22/2009 by Dan]


I don't think Butch would ever even talk about it if he didn't have to defend himself, Gregg, and Jaimoe over their joint decision to ask Dickey to change his ways or leave the band. Like I have stated over and over, there are certain people here who think Dickey should be able to act any way he wants no matter how nasty the behavior. Dickey could probably have physically beaten up everyone in the band and his defenders would still say he got screwed and should still be in the band. You cannot argue fairly with people who take this stance because in there mind he is above it all and can act however he wants without any repercussions.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:54 PM
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No idea about Dangerous Dan. I did read his post when it came out. But he pulled it. You do have to remember that neither Dan nor Frankie was invited to the Beacon and so it is more than Dickey who has had a falling out with him.



I was at the State Theater in Falls Church, Va about a month before Dan left Great Southern, and I saw how Dickey treated Dan and it was a damn shame and pretty disrespectful. What happen? Well Dan had the better sounding rig that night. Dickey had his Marshall cabinet with his Marshall head, and Dan also had Marshall Cabinet but was running it with a Fender amp (looked to be a Pro Reverb). Dan had a great tone throughout the first set, and you tell it in his playing. Dan was "on", but he wasn't "showboating" or anything like that. Anyway, set break come, and as the band is leaving the stage, I see Dickey say something to a couple of his techs, and then the techs go over to Dan's rig, and take off the Fender and start to replace it with a Marshall head. At this point, Dan tuns around and sees what's happening, and starts to say something, but then he looks at Dickey, and sadly shakes his head, and say nothing. Now Dan Toler is a professional, and if Dickey didn't like his "tone" he should have said something to Dan directly, but no Dickey's the "Boss", Dickey's the "STAR", and he'll treat people any damn way he wants. I felt bad for Dan that night, as I though that Dickey having Dan's rig changed out was pretty **** ty thing to do to another musician, especially someone who has been around and as classy, and as professional as Dan Toler, and wasn't surprised that he left Great Southern after that run of shows was over. Btw, Dan played well the second set, but you could tell, his heart wasn't really was into it.

Btw, the "real" reason Dan left Great Southern, was that Dickey promised Dan a "partendership" in Great Southern if he would play with the band. Remember this just after Mark May left the Dickey Betts Band. Of course, that "partendership" never happen. Guess Dan, just like Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe got tired of being a "sideman" to Dickey Betts.

Btw, one thing Rainy and her crew forgets, is that the ABB under Duane Allman wasn't to be anyone's 'star vehicle". Hell, Duane was quoted "ain't no stars in this band". And by that he meant, the music was the star, not him, not Gregg, nor Dickey or anybody else in the band. But somewhere along the line Dickey decided that HE was going to be the STAR. Towards the later part of nineties, the ABB was less the Allman Brothers BAND, but more the Allman Brothers Band featuring DICKEY BETTS. Is it any wonder, that Dickey was asked to take summer off and change his attitude? Hate to say it, but if the ABB would have continued with Dickey it would have become somewhat of what "Lynyrd Sjynyrd" has become, basically a "classic rock" type of band happy to play the same old 15 to 20 songs night after night after night. For the ABB to grow, they HAD TO LEAVE Dickey behind.

Btw, I've been listening to band since the 1970, and I certainly appreciate and respect all the contributions that Dickey made to the ABB. But by 2000, it was time for Dickey and rest of the band to part ways.

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 05:59 PM
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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 06:01 PM
Butch brings up Dickey every chance he can get and he doesn't need to be inticed to do so either. I've read plenty of interviews too. I sent you a PM sixty8. You can certainly paste it to this thread because it's nothing that I haven't said a million times anyway.

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 06:06 PM
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Well were you there sixty8? Please tell us all of what happened with Dangerous Dan.


 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 06:16 PM
Uh yeah........so please tell us KingV. Tell us what went down since you were there. I certainly wasn't, so I would like to know from someone who was actually there. I guess your just putting it all together in your mind again huh, without actually being there and actually really knowing what happened aren't you? How do you know it wasn't something like he wanted to play in the Renegades of Southern Rock with some of his other friends? How do you know it wasn't something like he wanted more money or a more equal share of the pie? Heck, maybe it was all Dickey's fault like everything else because you see I don't know the whole story, do you?
 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 06:24 PM
Everything is all well and fine as long as butch is flinging the $hit..but now that Dickey has finally fired back some of you can't take it .lLke I said the other day you can dish it out but you can't take it. You can't get much lower than where butch is at.

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Uh yeah........so please tell us KingV. Tell us what went down since you were there. I certainly wasn't, so I would like to know from someone who was actually there. I guess your just putting it all together in your mind again huh, without actually being there and actually really knowing what happened aren't you? How do you know it wasn't something like he wanted to play in the Renegades of Southern Rock with some of his other friends? How do you know it wasn't something like he wanted more money or a more equal share of the pie? Heck, maybe it was all Dickey's fault like everything else because you see I don't know the whole story, do you?


There you go again. The Same opening..."Where you there?"...Read sibwlkr's post above... He was there. Do you respond to people when they answer your ...challenges?...please read it...& please respond.

Was I there?...which time?..hahaha....really. I'll tell a couple of very nice Dickey concert stories if you wish. You are such a pup. Do you really think that all the meanies who say bad things about Dickey, just do so because they are bored?...or because that is what they've read?... There are real stories out there from the people who were there. Hell, once again read sibwlkr's post. No it's not proof, but it sure answers your snide, childlike little inquiry... "Were you there?"...Don't want to hear it Tenn Kev?... Then don't ask if "We were there".

 

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 06:27 PM
No kidding sibwlkr. Since I live in Lynchburg, I was at that show too. Hey, I'm not disputing what you said you saw, but I can say that I didn't see what you are talking about. Once again, I am NOT disputing what you said you saw. However, this star thing your talking about? Hell, he had to step up and do something when Duane died, didn't he? He was the friggin' star and the creative force after that happened. That whole 20 songs thing your talking about certainly wasn't the ABB in 2000. I was at the Beacon and the two shows I saw were fantastic. Look at the setlists too. Both shows I was at were completely different as well. Once again, some see it one way and some see it another. The problem isn't with Rainy or any other Dickey supporter. The problem is people constantly taking pot shots at Dickey Betts and then Dickey Betts supporters taking pot shots back. It'll never change either.


That good enough for you KingV. I WAS there!!!
Now who is the pup, son?

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  posted on 4/22/2009 at 06:48 PM
So... by luck you were at the same show, that's cool. Were you at the Belly-up show in Solana Beach, Ca. when Dickey threw his guitar down on stage and screamed at the guitar tech in full view and sound of the crowd...? All because he attempted to play "Pony Boy" and flubbed it up so badly that he stood and yelled at the crowd.. "That's why we don't play the damned song"...and then stormed off stage... about a minute later as a puzzled looking Dan Toler had witnessed that and had started to play something that the band fell into, I saw Duane Betts, respond to Dickey's booming voice from behind the amps, unstrap his guitar and go backstage. Dickey had yelled at his son to "Come over here, get off the stage". Dickey then re-emerged waving to the crowd with a big smile on his face. Duane was done for the night, dismissed while playing...I noticed him sitting in the corner of the venue on the way out trying to sell a few T-Shirts..

Where you at that show?

I have a few more..

Since you weren't there...one could surmise that it couldn't possibly have happened.

 

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